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Old 17th February 2019, 06:17 PM   #121
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Also, it appears the White House is now spending all of its time either composing, looking for, or retweeting already-disproven stuff or outright insults in a desperate attempt to counter the torrent of crap coming down the pipeline at them which they created. Are they actually going to spend any time and effort doing what they are supposedly there for? That is, presidenting? What are they paying these people to do!
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Old 17th February 2019, 06:20 PM   #122
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Is this not a retweet of himself??
It is indeed.
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It is indeed.
No wonder he agrees with it, then!
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Hell, who's at the top of the Democrat intellectual pile now? AOC?
No, but she is far from unintelligent. She scares the crap out of Republicans because she is intelligent, popular, and a woman.
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Old 17th February 2019, 08:50 PM   #125
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Please stop posting Trump tweets - they aren't safe for work.
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The 60 Minutes McCabe interview is available on cbsnews.com (probably for a limited time). Definitely worth watching.
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Old 17th February 2019, 11:14 PM   #127
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Please stop posting Trump tweets - they aren't safe for work animal consumption.
Hope you don't mind.
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Old 18th February 2019, 12:35 AM   #128
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No wonder he agrees with it, then!
Seriously, remember this is Trump, it is not unusual that he will disagree with himself before the end of a single sentence!
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Old 18th February 2019, 01:35 AM   #129
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I agree. There’s an interesting documentary about debates between William F. Buckley and Gore Vidal that I think exemplifies this.

I’ll see if I can find it...

Here you go:

https://assets.nflxext.com/us/boxsho...0/80038199.jpg

Available on Netflix and worth a watch.

Shows how far the Republican Party has sunk.
No kidding. Those guys had brains. Who is at the top of the Republican intellectual pile now?
David Frum
Rick Wilson
David Brooks
Tom Nichols
James Kirchick
there are others but intellectualism seems to be the polar opposite of populism, a disease that no part of the political spectrum is immune to.
You missed the most one interesting based on this. Max Boot because he's realized that Buckley and Goldwater were the poison tree that modern "libertarian" conservatism is based on. He's only one that has owned up to the fact that the thought leaders of "libertarian" conservatism are inextricably linked to segregation and through that white supremacy & extremism. His introspective writings have been as excellent as his current events pieces have been muddled due to this.
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Mueller has subpoenaed Cambridge Analytica whistleblower Brittany Kaiser
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Old 18th February 2019, 03:32 AM   #131
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The Mueller investigation is totally conflicted, illegal and rigged! Should never have been allowed to begin, except for the Collusion and many crimes committed by the Democrats. Witch Hunt!
You'd think he'd just retweet one of the last 8 million times he said this.
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Old 18th February 2019, 03:32 AM   #132
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You'd think he'd just retweet one of the last 8 million times he said this.
He does when he remembers that he's already tweeted it.
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Old 18th February 2019, 05:56 AM   #133
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Originally Posted by portlandatheist View Post
David Frum
Rick Wilson
David Brooks
Tom Nichols
James Kirchick
there are others but intellectualism seems to be the polar opposite of populism, a disease that no part of the political spectrum is immune to.
Thank you for that. And to phiwum and Stacko too. I had forgotten about George Will, and some of these are new to me.
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Old 18th February 2019, 06:36 AM   #134
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Trump Tweets

Wow, so many lies by now disgraced acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe. He was fired for lying, and now his story gets even more deranged. He and Rod Rosenstein, who was hired by Jeff Sessions (another beauty), look like they were planning a very illegal act, and got caught.....

....There is a lot of explaining to do to the millions of people who had just elected a president who they really like and who has done a great job for them with the Military, Vets, Economy and so much more. This was the illegal and treasonous “insurance policy” in full action!

“After two years and interviewing more than two hundred witnesses, the Senate Intelligence Committee has NOT discovered any direct evidence of a conspiracy between the Trump Campaign and Russia.” Ken Dilanian @NBCNews
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Trump Tweets

Wow, so many lies (Snip)
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“This was an illegal coup attempt on the President of the United States.” Dan Bongino on @foxandfriends True!

Great analysis by @foxandfriends!
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Wow, so many lies by now disgraced acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe. He was fired for lying, and now his story gets even more deranged. He and Rod Rosenstein, who was hired by Jeff Sessions (another beauty), look like they were planning a very illegal act, and got caught.....

....There is a lot of explaining to do to the millions of people who had just elected a president who they really like and who has done a great job for them with the Military, Vets, Economy and so much more. This was the illegal and treasonous “insurance policy” in full action!

“After two years and interviewing more than two hundred witnesses, the Senate Intelligence Committee has NOT discovered any direct evidence of a conspiracy between the Trump Campaign and Russia.” Ken Dilanian @NBCNews
Hmmm...
You chose all of them. You nominated Sessions, McCabe, and Rosenstein.

In the face of all the evidence against you, the best argument you can come up with is that you personally filled the DOJ and FBI with criminals?
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William Barr’s Son-in-Law Just Landed a Job Advising Trump on “Legal Issues”

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Wow, so many lies by now disgraced acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe. He was fired for lying, and now his story gets even more deranged. He and Rod Rosenstein, who was hired by Jeff Sessions (another beauty), look like they were planning a very illegal act, and got caught.....
McCabe is accused of lying about releasing information about the Clinton Foundation investigation That story obviously hurt Clinton and helped Trump, but presumably he did it to counter accusations that he wasn't doing anything about the pay-for-play accusations, and then lied about it because that concern for his own reputation made him look bad.

We still don't know why Trump and his people told so many lies about their entanglements with Russia, but details are starting to fall into place. Right from the start, Trump has been in a panic because he knows what Mueller might be finding out.
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You missed the most one interesting based on this. Max Boot because he's realized that Buckley and Goldwater were the poison tree that modern "libertarian" conservatism is based on. He's only one that has owned up to the fact that the thought leaders of "libertarian" conservatism are inextricably linked to segregation and through that white supremacy & extremism. His introspective writings have been as excellent as his current events pieces have been muddled due to this.
It's not clear to me that he counts as a conservative any more. Does he still identify as a conservative or has he more or less renounced conservatism (rather than just the libertarian leaning conservatism)?
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Rubbish, it's the Democrats' fault for not blocking their nominations!
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Rubbish, it's the Democrats' fault for not blocking their nominations!
As the people around him are taken down it is fun to watch Trump stretch the "It's your fault for not stopping" me excuse further and further.
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As the people around him are taken down it is fun to watch Trump stretch the "It's your fault for not stopping" me excuse further and further.
The sad thing is this really goes to show how far people will let him go. He's seriously not entirely wrong.
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The sad thing is this really goes to show how far people will let him go. He's seriously not entirely wrong.
Yep.
The US would have been crippled for decades if Trump was more competent.
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It's not clear to me that he counts as a conservative any more. Does he still identify as a conservative or has he more or less renounced conservatism (rather than just the libertarian leaning conservatism)?
They've renounced conservatism as embodied by Trump. Boot has just gone further the others in his self-inventory and decided that the soul of conservatism isn't worth saving since it's too poisoned and wasn't actually advancing what he believed in.
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Yep.
The US would have been crippled for decades if Trump was more competent.
I agree, it would be extremely scary
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The sad thing is this really goes to show how far people will let him go. He's seriously not entirely wrong.
Preaching to the choir, but according to people here I beat that drum too much.

Don't worry I'm sure that one day Pelosi will sarcastically clap at him enough that he surrenders.
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Preaching to the choir, but according to people here I beat that drum too much.

Don't worry I'm sure that one day Pelosi will sarcastically clap at him enough that he surrenders.
Well, since she's not on the Right, it would be uncouth to call for a "2nd Amendment solution".
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Preaching to the choir, but according to people here I beat that drum too much.

Don't worry I'm sure that one day Pelosi will sarcastically clap at him enough that he surrenders.
But you're being overly cynical. She did that after bringing his idiotic ego monument to a halt and bringing him to the brink of political bankruptcy, and after installing committee chairmen who want to get to the bottom of why so many people told so many lies.
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But you're being overly cynical. She did that after bringing his idiotic ego monument to a halt and bringing him to the brink of political bankruptcy, and after installing committee chairmen who want to get to the bottom of why so many people told so many lies.
Yeah that's what I keep getting told, that whatever so and so symbolic act against Trump the Left manages to eek out against him today is "setting the stage" for his take down or "eroding his base" or "hurting his pride" or some other variations on the same "Okay it's not a win... but it's gonna help us win tomorrow" narrative while any real, tangible, meaningful political harm or depowering of Trump stay perpetually "Any minute now. Any minute now. Okay now. No now. Now. Wait for it... NOW. Okay now."

He's still President. He's put two Justices on the Supreme Court and if Ginsburg keels over tomorrow nothing the Democrats can do to stop him from putting his toupee maker on it if he so chooses.

I'm done hearing about things that maybe might hypothetically could be setting the stage for Trumps downfall... eventually being treated as wins.

They keep sharpening a Sword of Damocles that it seems less and less likely each day is ever going to drop and every time they climb back up to sharpen it again we're told "Oh it's different this time, this time it's totally gonna drop. I know I said that last time, but this time we mean it."

Alls I'm saying is if whenever the shoe finally drops on Trump it's not the biggest shoe in the history of dropped shoes, a lot of of this is retroactively going to be trying to manufacture a victory out of a defeat.
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The issue of American independence took 30-odd years and a war to finally resolve. Chess games are not won with just the first move but a series of calculated moves over time. Trump is not going to be gone in the next week or so. The GOP are not going to suddenly get a change of heart. It just doesn't work like that.
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Roger Stone on Monday attacked the federal judge presiding over his criminal case in the special counsel’s Russia probe.

In an Instagram post, Stone lashed out at U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson.

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Through legal trickery Deep State hitman Robert Mueller has guaranteed that my upcoming show trial is before Judge Amy Berman Jackson , an Obama appointed Judge who dismissed the Benghazi charges again Hillary Clinton and incarcerated Paul Manafort prior to his conviction for any crime,
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/rog...xt-crosshairs/
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Roger Stone on Monday attacked the federal judge presiding over his criminal case in the special counsel’s Russia probe.

In an Instagram post, Stone lashed out at U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson.



https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/rog...xt-crosshairs/
Wow, that's quite a high dishonesty density post! I didn't know you could pack so much of it into a single sentence, but Stone's proven me wrong.
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That all happened, like, ages ago. You don’t really expect him to remember all the stuff he’s done over the last couple of years, do you?
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Wow, that's quite a high dishonesty density post! I didn't know you could pack so much of it into a single sentence, but Stone's proven me wrong.
And yet, some people will believe all or some of it.

Dismissed the Benghazi charges? There are still people walking around that are convinced that she issued the stand down order. Despite Republican-led congressional investigations that found no evidence.
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Is McCabe trying to get Rosenstein fired? Because this is how you get Rosenstein fired.
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Is McCabe trying to get Rosenstein fired? Because this is how you get Rosenstein fired.
If you are Rosenstein you simply tell Trump firing you would make what McCabe said look credible.
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Old 18th February 2019, 02:49 PM   #158
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
It you are Rosenstein you simply tell Trump firing you would make what McCabe said look credible.
But for Trump, his cronies, and his base this is spun as traitorous actions. An attempted administrative coup. He doesn't care if that looks credible. It's just the excuse he needs to get Rosenstein out of the way. Further if the 25th were to be invoked or Trump loses in 2020 this is another thing priming his base and fellow Republicans that this is just another illegal coup attempt via 25th amendment or vote rigging to prevent the rightfully elected POTUS from office.

And now he can say that Rosenstein has always been against Trump, wanted to wear a wire and invoke the 25th amendment and this is the guy who oversaw the Mueller investigation. All this feeds into Trump's narratives.

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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
And yet, some people will believe all or some of it.

Dismissed the Benghazi charges? There are still people walking around that are convinced that she issued the stand down order. Despite Republican-led congressional investigations that found no evidence.
Have you met some of the 'conservatives' on this board?
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Originally Posted by The_Animus View Post
But for Trump, his cronies, and his base this is spun as traitorous actions. An attempted administrative coup. He doesn't care if that looks credible. It's just the excuse he needs to get Rosenstein out of the way. Further if the 25th were to be invoked or Trump loses in 2020 this is another thing priming his base and fellow Republicans that this is just another illegal coup attempt via 25th amendment or vote rigging to prevent the rightfully elected POTUS from office.

And now he can say that Rosenstein has always been against Trump, wanted to wear a wire and invoke the 25th amendment and this is the guy who oversaw the Mueller investigation. All this feeds into Trump's narratives.
All likely possibilities.

I wonder if Rosenstein knows too much and Trump knows it because he could have made the same charges before the McCabe interview.
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