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Old 27th February 2019, 10:54 PM   #361
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
I just watched a rerum of AOC's questioning.

Wow. She manages to get right into things doesn't she. And....she's young, but she's no lightweight.

That's why the Dems fast-tracked her into the oversight committee.

That why the OWM of GOP should be afraid.... very afraid.
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:55 PM   #362
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Originally Posted by Steve View Post
Wrong! That was not today. Your comprehension of my question is poor. Read it again.

Hahaha! That was soooo last year!
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Old 27th February 2019, 11:12 PM   #363
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
That's why the Dems fast-tracked her into the oversight committee.

That why the OWM of GOP should be afraid.... very afraid.
Oh they already are. That's why they already set to pounce on the slightest flaw - even if they have to make it up out of whole cloth.
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Old 27th February 2019, 11:14 PM   #364
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Excellent. So, acting as both a personal and business agent of Trump, Cohen lied about whether Trump was seeking a real estate deal with Moscow while the GOP nominee and beyond. Exactly as we have been saying.

You can't call Cohen a monster while leaving out the fact that he was being paid to commit monstrosities on behalf of Trump.
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Old 27th February 2019, 11:38 PM   #365
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Hey whats up in this thread?

-spittle soaked attacks

-defending a literal ******* monster

-"skeptics"

lolz
Only because you're here, chief.
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Old 27th February 2019, 11:44 PM   #366
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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum View Post
Gaetz has apologized for intimidating a witness.
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I’ve personally apologized to @MichaelCohen212 4 referencing his private family in the public square. Regardless of disagreements, family members should be off-limits from attacks from representatives, senators & presidents, including myself. Let’s leave the Cohen family alone.
Too late. He already didn't leave the Cohen family alone. He went after them, then forced Cohen to endure his bogus "apology", thereby adding insult to injury.

Interesting tactic. Go after the family, then offer up a slobbering apology for going after the family. The apology part could be construed as sincere, because Trumpers are known for their lack of self-control. That's why they keep ending up in prison.
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Old 28th February 2019, 12:05 AM   #367
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What I witnessed today was the GOP circling the wagons around El Jefe...er El Presidente...at any cost. Including embarrassing themselves. Not one GOP rep asked Cohan about Trump's alleged criminal actions because they were too busy trying to discredit Cohan by harping on the same thing: he lied to Congress. But they conveniently ignored that they were supporting a president infamous for lying while attacking Cohen for lying. Hypocrites. The worst were Jordan and Meadows. They made absolute fools of themselves.
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Old 28th February 2019, 12:20 AM   #368
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Cohen has told conflicting stories. When he was paid by Trump he said one thing. Free of that relationship he is saying the opposite. The question is not whether he lied rather which version of events is the lie.
He has admitted that the version told when employed by Trump was lies. The US legal system has found the version told when employed by Trump was lies. The version Told now seems fully in character with what we know about Trump. The story he told when Trump paid him lacked credibility.

Moscow have their work cut out on this one, but there is no accounting for the stupidity of some Americans.
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Old 28th February 2019, 12:29 AM   #369
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
Cohen has told conflicting stories. When he was paid by Trump he said one thing. Free of that relationship he is saying the opposite. The question is not whether he lied rather which version of events is the lie.
He has admitted that the version told when employed by Trump was lies. The US legal system has found the version told when employed by Trump was lies. The version Told now seems fully in character with what we know about Trump. The story he told when Trump paid him lacked credibility.

Moscow have their work cut out on this one, but there is no accounting for the stupidity of some Americans.
I'm pretty sure the highlighted sentence isn't that hard to figure out.
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Old 28th February 2019, 12:37 AM   #370
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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum View Post
Gaetz has apologized for intimidating a witness.
He must have got that legal advice Popehat advised him to get, and now he's pumping those legs of his and back pedalling just fast as he can.

Note that during the Cohen hearing today, Congresswoman Kathleen Rice (D) New York, a former federal prosecutor, has asked the House Ethics Committee to investigate a statement Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz made about Michael Cohen, saying that she believes the GOP lawmaker's comments could rise to the level of witness tampering and intimidation.
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Old 28th February 2019, 01:00 AM   #371
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Old 28th February 2019, 01:14 AM   #372
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I'm pretty sure the highlighted sentence isn't that hard to figure out.
indeed, but some seem to think that the discussion should stop at 'Cohen in a liar.' and not go on to misdemeanors of Trump.
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Old 28th February 2019, 01:26 AM   #373
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
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Moscow have their work cut out on this one, but there is no accounting for the stupidity of some Americans.
You'll get no argument there. We've witnessed that in this very thread.
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Old 28th February 2019, 01:45 AM   #374
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Possible Collaterial Damage:
Roger Stone tweeting a angry response to what Cohen had to say about him in the testimony.
This might be a violation of the gag rule imposed on Stone.
Oh that's fun.

Story here
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Old 28th February 2019, 01:48 AM   #375
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
You mean other than the ones I already posted?

Michael Cohen. Hero of the left
Your tune has changed.

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Cohen could be in jail and Trump facing impeachment...
What an unusual comment... Your speculation about Cohen going to jail (not gonna happen, Trump will pardon)...
There's another blast from the past here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...n#post12535130
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See that is the difference between the adults on the progressive side of politics and right wingers. Unlike the right wing with heroes like Olly North, Richard Nixon, Donald Trump et al, we can live in evidence based reality without any heroes at all
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We have always been at war with Eastasia.
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We have always thought Cohen is a lying rat.
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Old 28th February 2019, 02:44 AM   #380
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https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1100857540492042241

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PSA on #CohenTestimony

Special Counsel to court: “The information he has provided has been credible and consistent with other evidence obtained in the SCO’s ongoing investigation.”

On campaign law, tax crimes: cooperating witnesses include Weisselberg, Pecker, Howard, AMI, etc.
Worth noting again: if Cohen's Congressional testimony contradicts his testimony to Mueller - or if it reveals something new that he should have disclosed to Mueller or SDNY - then he is in big legal trouble and will spend a lot more than three years in prison.
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Old 28th February 2019, 02:46 AM   #381
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If proof were needed that those around Trump aren't the brightest, take the following tweet: https://twitter.com/vermontgmg/statu...87323640397824

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Incredible to see all the hubris drained from Cohen. I've been personally screamed at by Cohen on the phone before and know how much bravado he once had. This is a man with nothing left, with no reason to lie or obfuscate at all. Humbling, in its way.
Know who retweeted that? Donald Trump Jr.
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Old 28th February 2019, 02:50 AM   #382
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Cross-examination protip: the purpose of cross-examination is not to lead the bad witness to repeat the bad things about your client and possibly say more bad things.

Witness: I killed six people for the defendant.
GOP Defense Lawyer: Isn't it true you killed EIGHT people for the defendant?
Witness: Oh, right. Sorry.
GOP Defense Lawyer: [nods smugly and crosses his arms]
Prosecutor: [hums a happy little tune]

GOP Defense Lawyer: Sir, you have tried to portray my client as reckless. But, in fact, isn't he very deliberate?
Witness: Yes?
GOPDL: In fact wouldn't you say he always acts knowingly and intentionally, not recklessly?
Witness: Also willfully.
GOPDL: ALSO. WILLFULLY.

GOP Defense Lawyer: Sir, you claim the President is a RACIST. But isn't it true that this person standing behind me is BLACK?

GOP Defense Lawyer: Your Honor, I offer my Livejournal posts about this TRAVESTY as evidence.
Judge: That's . . . that's not a thing.

GOP Defense Lawyer: Your Honor I ask the Court to take judicial notice that this witness HAS A DEFENSE LAWYER and that's SUSPICIOUS.
Judge: Are you drunk right now

It is 100% possible for a cross-examination to help rehabilitate a sleazy witness. As you can see.

I'm going to need to hit the ol' thesaurus for alternatives to "flailed ineffectually" for my column.

GOP Defense Lawyer: Isn't it true, sir, that by testifying about my client's crimes, you're violating a lawyer's duty of loyalty and confidentiality?
Witness: I guess?
GOP Defense Lawyer: AH-HAH!
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Old 28th February 2019, 02:52 AM   #383
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What Cohen is recounting now about Trump lying to him in private as a way of telling him to lie, is *identical* to the account McCabe gives of meeting Trump after the Comey firing.
So, helpful in establishing a pattern of behaviour.
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The Republicans today are asking you to believe that Trump's top confidants were career criminals who conspired to do terrible things that Trump himself knew absolutely nothing about, even as he profited from them, for years.
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Cohen just said the President of the United States is under investigation by federal prosecutors for as-yet undisclosed illegal acts. Rep. Michael Cloud (R-Tx.) followed up by asking Cohen if he would donate future book royalties to charity.
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yeah, your boy is going to prison. ******* sleazy ****

he is a liar and a scumbag
Don't you mean trump's boy?
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Your tune has changed.



There's another blast from the past here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...n#post12535130
Just like his mentor... Lindsay "which way is the wind blowing today" Graham.
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Here's Mark Meadows, who just sidetracked the entire House Oversight Committee to assure him he's not racist, saying that "2012 is the time we are going to send Mr. Obama home to Kenya or wherever it is"
Video embedded in tweet.
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Popehat article on why everybody involved yesterday made errors, and why it's all bad news for Trump
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https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...91142487085056

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Cohen just confirmed that the Trump Tower Moscow deal extended *at least* into late July 2016 (previously, the news said the negotiations ended in June 2016). So Trump was secretly negotiating with the Kremlin a *nine-figure deal* (!) when he said "Russia, if you're listening..."
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...02627875598337

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Michael Cohen says he briefed Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump on the Trump Tower Moscow project *ten times*...

...all *during the presidential campaign*.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...91451301171200

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DWS: Is it possible the whole Trump family is conflicted or compromised with a foreign adversary in the months before the election?

Michael Cohen: Yes.
This is the most explicitly I've seen Ivanka implicated, although anybody paying attention over the last couple of years would have already surmised that she's in it all up to her eyeballs.
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I didn't get to watch the rest of the testimony yesterday, but I've watched a few highlights on YouTube. If I'm reading the exchange with Oscasio-Cortez right, she's not only established reasons to subpoena various people in Trump's orbit, but also established reasons to subpoena Trump's tax returns.
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Actually, there are some excellent one-liners and replies to Popehat there
"It’s like they all attended the Rudy Giuliani school of law"

"Everyone has different techniques. The GOP ones on the HGO Committee got theirs from the Book of Job"

"Jim Jordan is not ready for prime time against a NYC fixer. He's just not."

"This feels like when I would try to out lawyer my dad. But I was eight and he was an actual lawyer."

"Jordan is what happens when you don't insist that athletes get a real education."
For those who missed the earlier parts, GOP members kept ceding their leftover time to Congressman Jim Jordan, and he kept using it to make a complete arse of himself. This was an open invitation for Cohen to then hand it to him on a plate, and Cohen duly obliged - several times.
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"Today Republicans had the opportunity to learn <snip> that theatrical committee hearing tactics are ineffective against a witness trained to withstand cross-examination. Will the president of the United States ever learn that a federal criminal investigation is not a reality show?"
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False Dichotomy, no one lies 100% of the time,
I don't know, I think if trump says something with any kind of factual basis it is completely by accident.
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yeah, your boy is going to prison. ******* sleazy ****

he is a liar and a scumbag
You're right, he is. That was obvious during his opening remarks. And Trump chose him as his attorney. Only a sleazy gutter rat would have a need for the services of someone like Cohen.
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One thing Cohen just said rings absolutely true.

'Mr Trump would never hit Melania, never. [..]'
I think if he hit her she'd be more than capable of taking him apart. I've no doubt that she is a damn sight tougher than him mentally and physically.
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So the logic behind the attacks of Cohen is that as the justice department framed him for committing crimes at the behest of Individual One(who later became president) and lying under oath about it while he was totally innocent of all those charges but the deep state convinced him to now lie about things under oath for the first time?

Why aren't they worried and all about the miscarriage of justice in Cohen's plea deal?
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Old 28th February 2019, 05:56 AM   #398
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
So the logic behind the attacks of Cohen is that as the justice department framed him for committing crimes at the behest of Individual One(who later became president) and lying under oath about it while he was totally innocent of all those charges but the deep state convinced him to now lie about things under oath for the first time?

Why aren't they worried and all about the miscarriage of justice in Cohen's plea deal?
You're giving "them" too much credit. Clearly, "they" don't think that deeply.
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From my personal experience, its one of the key aspects of narcissistic behaviour that they NEVER use physical violence to control people;

You may be right about your personal experience, but in general it doesn't seem to be the case: The Role of Narcissism in Aggression and Violence: A Systematic Review (SAGE Journals, 2016)
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