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Old 13th August 2022, 06:45 AM   #81
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I don't even agree with this delineation of natural. Why is culture not part of natural human behavior? It seems people want to draw a bright line between some imagined category of animalistic behavior and some other imagined category of sophistication and say that one is part of human nature and the other isn't, even though humans do all of it. I deem Pride and Prejudice to be just as much a part of human nature as taking a crap.

"Homosexuality in humans is not natural," has to be the most asinine, circularly-reasoned conclusion I've ever heard.
True enough, but I was sticking to the dubious dualistic vernacular here, which is still not enough to make the bad argument good.

There are, of course, some aspects of our own nature that are not nice to nature in the overall-everything-in-the world sense. It may be in our nature to want to roll coal in our jacked up F350's, but, as we're told in The African Queen, "Nature, Mr. Allnut, is what we are put on this earth to rise above!"
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Old 8th September 2022, 05:12 PM   #82
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Homo is a sin according to Satan but not God.
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Old 8th September 2022, 05:31 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Homo is a sin according to Satan but not God.
Three fictional concepts in one sentence. Well done.
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Old 8th September 2022, 05:45 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Three fictional concepts in one sentence. Well done.
It is not because you were iold something that they were true.

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Old 8th September 2022, 08:12 PM   #85
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If it's sexual activity between two consenting adults, I really couldn't care less about it as far as how I interact with those persons. Most conservatives--not all, but most--feel the same way.
This is a situation that has been brought about by decades of gay activism.

And yet there is a push by conservatives in my country to enshrine in law the right of certain organisations to sack people for being gay or even for being an ally of LGBTQIA folk.

There are several countries where people are jailed for being gay, others where people are murdered by the government for being gay. School kids still bully other kids for being gay or perceived as being gay.

To pretend that homophobia is not a problem is pointless, the evidence of it is all around.
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Old 8th September 2022, 08:21 PM   #86
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Would you agree that homosexuality is unnatural conduct for humans? .
I always knew I was supernatural.
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Old 9th September 2022, 01:51 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
It is not because you were iold something that they were true.
We were also told that Lord Vader betrayed and killed Luke's father, but that didn't make it true, did it?
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Old 9th September 2022, 02:21 AM   #88
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Homo is a sin according to Satan but not God.
Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
It is not because you were iold something that they were true.
So who told you what Satan thinks?
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Old 9th September 2022, 03:15 AM   #89
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
So who told you what Satan thinks?
Wasn't there a series on Amazon Prime about that?
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Originally Posted by HansMustermann View Post
Wasn't there a series on Amazon Prime about that?
Possibly, but you need money to get Amazon Prime.
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Old 9th September 2022, 06:05 AM   #92
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Homo is a sin according to Satan but not God.

Sapiens, habilis or erectus?!
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