White House Survivor - Page 11

Oystein · 10th November 2017, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by TofuFighter

It was originally on Alternet and punted upfield in the Salon story, but it appears all to be rumour.

Thx

GodMark2 · 10th November 2017, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

Should really have known that she wasn't up to the job when she stated that they needed guns in schools as protection for grizzly bears. Come on, everyone knows, you don't shoot a grizzly, it'll just make it angry!

*****WARNING: Graphic Images in article. Not for the squeamish!******

He just needed a bigger gun. I'd suggest something in the 120mm range. That should at least make the bear pause and ponder.

Trebuchet · 14th November 2017, 01:31 PM

I hereby nominate Jeff Sessions. Who is simultaneously trying to explain why he can't remember being in meetings with Papadopolous where Russian collusion was discussed and being criticized by Trump & Co for not locking her up.

No worries for Jeffie though. After Roy Moore is expelled by the Senate the governor can nominate him back to his old seat.

Craig4 · 21st November 2017, 02:42 PM

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017...ump-idiot-dope

MR McMaster maybe the next out now. We'll see. For some reason The Hair dislikes having his intellectual deficiency pointed out to him. Not sure why; it's perfectly obvious.

Civet · 22nd November 2017, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017...ump-idiot-dope

MR McMaster maybe the next out now. We'll see. For some reason The Hair dislikes having his intellectual deficiency pointed out to him. Not sure why; it's perfectly obvious.

Wow. If that's on the level (or if Trump just believes it is) I can't imagine McMaster lasting much longer. It it's true, I'm not surprised that he'd feel that way about Trump, but I am surprised that he'd be so reckless about spreading it around.

Galaxie · 30th November 2017, 09:28 AM

Tillerson soon to be out?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/u...peo-trump.html

Trebuchet · 30th November 2017, 09:38 AM

Conway is moving on to become some sort of opioid czar but I don't think that counts.

The Don · 30th November 2017, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Galaxie

Tillerson soon to be out?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/u...peo-trump.html

There was supposed to be some kind of "suicide pact" between Tillerson, Mnuchin and Mattis...

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7984151.html

I expect that it will prove to be so much hot air.

Hellbound · 30th November 2017, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

There was supposed to be some kind of "suicide pact" between Tillerson, Mnuchin and Mattis...

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7984151.html

I expect that it will prove to be so much hot air.

All the hot air is what keeps them afloat.

TheL8Elvis · 30th November 2017, 10:40 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nl_most&wpmm=1

White House readies plan to replace Tillerson with Pompeo at State, install Cotton at CIA
The plan, hatched by White House chief of staff John F. Kelly, is expected to be set in motion over the next few weeks.

Looks like Tillerson is a good bet for next.

ponderingturtle · 30th November 2017, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Conway is moving on to become some sort of opioid czar but I don't think that counts.

So is she working for Kushner or was this taken off his plate?

zorro99 · 30th November 2017, 11:09 AM

Tillerson has been a disaster at State. He should go. He’s likely be happier too since he considers Trump a moron.

The Great Zaganza · 30th November 2017, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by zorro99

Tillerson has been a disaster at State. He should go. He’s likely be happier too since he considers Trump a moron.

Trump needs Tillerson more than the other way around.

d4m10n · 30th November 2017, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by seayakin

My money is on Tillerson

Best keep it there for now.

Cl1mh4224rd · 30th November 2017, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

There was supposed to be some kind of "suicide pact" between Tillerson, Mnuchin and Mattis...

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7984151.html

Completely off-topic, and I'm really asking nobody, but... why is that filed under "Culture > Film > News"?

dudalb · 30th November 2017, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by zorro99

Tillerson has been a disaster at State. He should go. He’s likely be happier too since he considers Trump a moron.

Agreed but Tom Cotton at the CIA would be a even greater disaster.

ponderingturtle · 30th November 2017, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by zorro99

Tillerson has been a disaster at State. He should go. He’s likely be happier too since he considers Trump a moron.

But what are the odds anyone else would actually improve the situation?

CapelDodger · 30th November 2017, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

So is she working for Kushner or was this taken off his plate?

Good question. I recall he was made responsible for a whole raft of things, but don't recall what any of the others were. Strange how long ago that seems now.

Does anyone recall who was going to plug the leaks at the White House? Was that one of Jared's? Or was it a Kelly mission?

CapelDodger · 30th November 2017, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Galaxie

Tillerson soon to be out?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/u...peo-trump.html

Since he has to go, better he go now while things are quiet on the diplomatic front, thanks to Pax Trumpicus. The new guy can settle in over the Xmas-New Year season when nothing much goes on back in the office.

CapelDodger · 30th November 2017, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Agreed but Tom Cotton at the CIA would be a even greater disaster.

How's this going to weave into the Russia investigation and obstruction of justice tapestry? (Rhetorical.)

Stacko · 30th November 2017, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by CapelDodger

How's this going to weave into the Russia investigation and obstruction of justice tapestry? (Rhetorical.)

It doesn't. He's just a pro-torture psychopath.

Doubt · 1st December 2017, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by zorro99

Tillerson has been a disaster at State. He should go. He’s likely be happier too since he considers Trump a moron.

And replace him with Sarah Sanders! After all, we don't need somebody at the State Department with ambiguous credibility.

Delphic Oracle · 1st December 2017, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nl_most&wpmm=1

White House readies plan to replace Tillerson with Pompeo at State, install Cotton at CIA
The plan, hatched by White House chief of staff John F. Kelly, is expected to be set in motion over the next few weeks.

Looks like Tillerson is a good bet for next.

He's my top pick for the next figure the Mueller investigation turns its attention to, what fortuitous timing...

"Oh, you want to go back to the private sector and make fat stacks, huh? Have a seat right over here..."

Craig4 · 2nd December 2017, 03:01 AM

Kushner is looking a lot like he's going back to New York to take care of the family business. Mueller is closing in and there's no upside for him to stay in Washington.

Oystein · 2nd December 2017, 03:31 AM

Kushner is an enigma to me. He has been given the most plentiful policy portfolio of all ("peace in the ME" anyone? And several more of that caliber), yet is so far back in the background, we famously don't even know his voice. Well almost. What is it in Trump's head that makes Kushner so yugely, bigly important? Is he expendable?

He is such a light weight, any ill breeze ought to whisk him away.

I am not sure Kushner is next, even though he is clearly in Mueller's crosshairs. Too attached to the POTUS's next of kin.

I still say: Kelly!

phiwum · 2nd December 2017, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle

He's my top pick for the next figure the Mueller investigation turns its attention to, what fortuitous timing...

"Oh, you want to go back to the private sector and make fat stacks, huh? Have a seat right over here..."

I'm not a big fan of Tillerson, but I don't think he's deep in the mud here. Perhaps I could be wrong, but he wasn't an integral part of the campaign or transition, far as I recall, and that's the time that is the focus, no?

Cain · 2nd December 2017, 06:53 AM

Trump only hires the best people, but government is so slow and inefficient that we can't get the NEW best people in fast enough.

Craig4 · 2nd December 2017, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by phiwum

I'm not a big fan of Tillerson, but I don't think he's deep in the mud here. Perhaps I could be wrong, but he wasn't an integral part of the campaign or transition, far as I recall, and that's the time that is the focus, no?

I imagine someone has been talking Tillerson into staying. He should have left after he got undercut when he was trying to talk to the North Koreans while he was in China.

thaiboxerken · 2nd December 2017, 11:00 PM

Trump will probably keep Tillerson now just to prove the news is fake!

jimbob · 3rd December 2017, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Trump will probably keep Tillerson now just to prove the news is fake!

That was what I was thinking

quadraginta · 3rd December 2017, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Trump will probably keep Tillerson now just to prove the news is fake!

Originally Posted by jimbob

That was what I was thinking

Maybe for a week or two.

jimbob · 3rd December 2017, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Trump will probably keep Tillerson now just to prove the news is fake!

Originally Posted by jimbob

That was what I was thinking

Maybe for a week or two.

True, not firing someone who is known to be contemptuous of Trump must be eating him inside...

ETA: Firing Tillerson will vindicate "Fake News", not firing him means Tillerson has got away with calling him a moron.

Where will Trump's ego force him

Trebuchet · 3rd December 2017, 05:16 PM

Tillerson can resign and have enough loyalty not to admit Trump ordered him to do so. Trump can then say he's sorry to see him go.

Oystein · 3rd December 2017, 07:32 PM

And what about the alleged suicide pact?

The Don · 4th December 2017, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by Oystein

And what about the alleged suicide pact?

Even if it existed (and IMO they were a pretty unlikely trio to tie themselves thusly) it would require senior Republicans to behave in an honourable manner.

If I put in enough laughing dogs to properly comment on that statement, I'd likely break the internet.

TheSupermeerkat · 4th December 2017, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Where will Trump's ego force him

More yelling about Hillary on Twitter as an absolute minimum.

NoahFence · 13th December 2017, 08:04 AM

Seems the most insipid of them all (Aside from the boss) is leaving. Omarosa.

Puppycow · 13th December 2017, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Seems the most insipid of them all (Aside from the boss) is leaving. Omarosa.

Omarosa is out!

Escorted out of the building! (I don't know if that's in a good way, or like "escorted out" by security.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/o...q52#.kx3jApDep

Quote:

Omarosa Manigault, the former reality TV star turned political aide to President Trump, has resigned from her administration position, the White House announced Wednesday.

Manigault resigned on Tuesday "to pursue other opportunities," press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said in a statement. Her resignation will not be effective until Jan. 20, 2018 — exactly one year since Trump took office.

"We wish her the best in future endeavors and are grateful for her service," Sanders said.

Manigault was escorted out of the building, sources told BuzzFeed News. And April Ryan, who covers the White House and has feuded with Manigault, reported Wednesday there was "drama" around the departure and that she was "escorted out of the building." "Omarosa did not resign," Ryan reported.

Manigault's official title was director of communications for the White House Public Liaison Office, but in reality she had a more undefined portfolio that caused some consternation among her colleagues.

She was widely reported to wander into meetings to which she was not invited, or derail briefings with off-topic discussions.

In April, she also showed up at the White House with her bridal party for a surprise photo shoot, Politico reported, but was banned from posting the pictures publicly due to "security and ethical concerns."

LSSBB · 13th December 2017, 10:46 AM

From Ray Dalio's Principles, page 328:

Quote:

Don't let loyalty to people stand in the way of truth and the well-being of the organization. This is unhealthy and stands in the way of improvement because it prevents people from bringing their mistakes and weaknesses to the surface, encourages deception, and eliminates subordinates' right of appeal.
The same thing applies to personal loyalty. I have regularly seen people kept in jobs they don't deserve because of their personal relationship to the boss, and this leads to unscrupulous managers trading on personal loyalties to build fiefdoms for themselves.

Ray Dalio is a real successful business leader, and not the Reality Show version of a successful business leader.

a_unique_person · 13th December 2017, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Omarosa is out!

Escorted out of the building! (I don't know if that's in a good way, or like "escorted out" by security.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/o...q52#.kx3jApDep

Too much showboating?

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I AGREE

10th November 2017, 03:23 PM	#401
Oystein Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 16,994	Originally Posted by TofuFighter It was originally on Alternet and punted upfield in the Salon story, but it appears all to be rumour. Thx
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10th November 2017, 07:43 PM	#402
GodMark2 Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 2,185	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf Should really have known that she wasn't up to the job when she stated that they needed guns in schools as protection for grizzly bears. Come on, everyone knows, you don't shoot a grizzly, it'll just make it angry! ***WARNING: Graphic Images in article. Not for the squeamish!**** He just needed a bigger gun. I'd suggest something in the 120mm range. That should at least make the bear pause and ponder.
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14th November 2017, 01:31 PM	#403
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,976	I hereby nominate Jeff Sessions. Who is simultaneously trying to explain why he can't remember being in meetings with Papadopolous where Russian collusion was discussed and being criticized by Trump & Co for not locking her up. No worries for Jeffie though. After Roy Moore is expelled by the Senate the governor can nominate him back to his old seat.
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22nd November 2017, 12:12 AM	#405
Civet Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,657	Originally Posted by Craig4 https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017...ump-idiot-dope MR McMaster maybe the next out now. We'll see. For some reason The Hair dislikes having his intellectual deficiency pointed out to him. Not sure why; it's perfectly obvious. Wow. If that's on the level (or if Trump just believes it is) I can't imagine McMaster lasting much longer. It it's true, I'm not surprised that he'd feel that way about Trump, but I am surprised that he'd be so reckless about spreading it around.
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30th November 2017, 09:38 AM	#407
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,976	Conway is moving on to become some sort of opioid czar but I don't think that counts.
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21st November 2017, 02:42 PM	#404
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,527	https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017...ump-idiot-dope MR McMaster maybe the next out now. We'll see. For some reason The Hair dislikes having his intellectual deficiency pointed out to him. Not sure why; it's perfectly obvious.

30th November 2017, 09:28 AM	#406
Galaxie Muse Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 749	Tillerson soon to be out? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/u...peo-trump.html

30th November 2017, 09:54 AM	#408
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,320	Originally Posted by Galaxie Tillerson soon to be out? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/u...peo-trump.html There was supposed to be some kind of "suicide pact" between Tillerson, Mnuchin and Mattis... http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7984151.html I expect that it will prove to be so much hot air.

30th November 2017, 09:58 AM	#409
Hellbound Merchant of Doom Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not in Hell, but I can see it from here on a clear day... Posts: 14,386	Originally Posted by The Don There was supposed to be some kind of "suicide pact" between Tillerson, Mnuchin and Mattis... http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7984151.html I expect that it will prove to be so much hot air. All the hot air is what keeps them afloat.

30th November 2017, 10:40 AM	#410
TheL8Elvis Philosopher Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 8,276	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nl_most&wpmm=1 White House readies plan to replace Tillerson with Pompeo at State, install Cotton at CIA The plan, hatched by White House chief of staff John F. Kelly, is expected to be set in motion over the next few weeks. Looks like Tillerson is a good bet for next.
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30th November 2017, 10:47 AM	#411
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,396	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Conway is moving on to become some sort of opioid czar but I don't think that counts. So is she working for Kushner or was this taken off his plate?
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30th November 2017, 11:09 AM	#412
zorro99 Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 968	Tillerson has been a disaster at State. He should go. He’s likely be happier too since he considers Trump a moron.
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30th November 2017, 11:38 AM	#413
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,607	Originally Posted by zorro99 Tillerson has been a disaster at State. He should go. He’s likely be happier too since he considers Trump a moron. Trump needs Tillerson more than the other way around.
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30th November 2017, 12:37 PM	#414
d4m10n Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Mounts Farm Posts: 6,307	Originally Posted by seayakin My money is on Tillerson Best keep it there for now.
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30th November 2017, 01:16 PM	#415
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 9,778	Originally Posted by The Don There was supposed to be some kind of "suicide pact" between Tillerson, Mnuchin and Mattis... http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7984151.html Completely off-topic, and I'm really asking nobody, but... why is that filed under "Culture > Film > News"?
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30th November 2017, 01:16 PM	#416
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Originally Posted by zorro99 Tillerson has been a disaster at State. He should go. He’s likely be happier too since he considers Trump a moron. Agreed but Tom Cotton at the CIA would be a even greater disaster.
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30th November 2017, 02:09 PM	#417
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,396	Originally Posted by zorro99 Tillerson has been a disaster at State. He should go. He’s likely be happier too since he considers Trump a moron. But what are the odds anyone else would actually improve the situation?
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30th November 2017, 04:17 PM	#418
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 25,047	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle So is she working for Kushner or was this taken off his plate? Good question. I recall he was made responsible for a whole raft of things, but don't recall what any of the others were. Strange how long ago that seems now. Does anyone recall who was going to plug the leaks at the White House? Was that one of Jared's? Or was it a Kelly mission?
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30th November 2017, 04:37 PM	#419
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 25,047	Originally Posted by Galaxie Tillerson soon to be out? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/u...peo-trump.html Since he has to go, better he go now while things are quiet on the diplomatic front, thanks to Pax Trumpicus. The new guy can settle in over the Xmas-New Year season when nothing much goes on back in the office.
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30th November 2017, 04:40 PM	#420
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 25,047	Originally Posted by dudalb Agreed but Tom Cotton at the CIA would be a even greater disaster. How's this going to weave into the Russia investigation and obstruction of justice tapestry? (Rhetorical.)
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30th November 2017, 06:56 PM	#421
Stacko Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,837	Originally Posted by CapelDodger How's this going to weave into the Russia investigation and obstruction of justice tapestry? (Rhetorical.) It doesn't. He's just a pro-torture psychopath.

1st December 2017, 03:19 PM	#422
Doubt Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 7,156	Originally Posted by zorro99 Tillerson has been a disaster at State. He should go. He’s likely be happier too since he considers Trump a moron. And replace him with Sarah Sanders! After all, we don't need somebody at the State Department with ambiguous credibility.
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1st December 2017, 09:11 PM	#423
Delphic Oracle Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 5,348	Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nl_most&wpmm=1 White House readies plan to replace Tillerson with Pompeo at State, install Cotton at CIA The plan, hatched by White House chief of staff John F. Kelly, is expected to be set in motion over the next few weeks. Looks like Tillerson is a good bet for next. He's my top pick for the next figure the Mueller investigation turns its attention to, what fortuitous timing... "Oh, you want to go back to the private sector and make fat stacks, huh? Have a seat right over here..."
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2nd December 2017, 03:01 AM	#424
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,527	Kushner is looking a lot like he's going back to New York to take care of the family business. Mueller is closing in and there's no upside for him to stay in Washington.

2nd December 2017, 03:31 AM	#425
Oystein Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 16,994	Kushner is an enigma to me. He has been given the most plentiful policy portfolio of all ("peace in the ME" anyone? And several more of that caliber), yet is so far back in the background, we famously don't even know his voice. Well almost. What is it in Trump's head that makes Kushner so yugely, bigly important? Is he expendable? He is such a light weight, any ill breeze ought to whisk him away. I am not sure Kushner is next, even though he is clearly in Mueller's crosshairs. Too attached to the POTUS's next of kin. I still say: Kelly!
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2nd December 2017, 06:33 AM	#426
phiwum Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,718	Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle He's my top pick for the next figure the Mueller investigation turns its attention to, what fortuitous timing... "Oh, you want to go back to the private sector and make fat stacks, huh? Have a seat right over here..." I'm not a big fan of Tillerson, but I don't think he's deep in the mud here. Perhaps I could be wrong, but he wasn't an integral part of the campaign or transition, far as I recall, and that's the time that is the focus, no?

2nd December 2017, 06:53 AM	#427
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,275	Trump only hires the best people, but government is so slow and inefficient that we can't get the NEW best people in fast enough.
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2nd December 2017, 07:15 AM	#428
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,527	Originally Posted by phiwum I'm not a big fan of Tillerson, but I don't think he's deep in the mud here. Perhaps I could be wrong, but he wasn't an integral part of the campaign or transition, far as I recall, and that's the time that is the focus, no? I imagine someone has been talking Tillerson into staying. He should have left after he got undercut when he was trying to talk to the North Koreans while he was in China.

2nd December 2017, 11:00 PM	#429
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,705	Trump will probably keep Tillerson now just to prove the news is fake!
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3rd December 2017, 12:31 AM	#430
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 22,774	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Trump will probably keep Tillerson now just to prove the news is fake! That was what I was thinking
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3rd December 2017, 08:49 AM	#431
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,163	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Trump will probably keep Tillerson now just to prove the news is fake! Originally Posted by jimbob That was what I was thinking Maybe for a week or two.
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3rd December 2017, 12:55 PM	#432
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 22,774	Originally Posted by quadraginta Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Trump will probably keep Tillerson now just to prove the news is fake! Originally Posted by jimbob That was what I was thinking Maybe for a week or two. True, not firing someone who is known to be contemptuous of Trump must be eating him inside... ETA: Firing Tillerson will vindicate "Fake News", not firing him means Tillerson has got away with calling him a moron. Where will Trump's ego force him
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3rd December 2017, 05:16 PM	#433
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,976	Tillerson can resign and have enough loyalty not to admit Trump ordered him to do so. Trump can then say he's sorry to see him go.
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3rd December 2017, 07:32 PM	#434
Oystein Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 16,994	And what about the alleged suicide pact?
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4th December 2017, 01:05 AM	#435
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,320	Originally Posted by Oystein And what about the alleged suicide pact? Even if it existed (and IMO they were a pretty unlikely trio to tie themselves thusly) it would require senior Republicans to behave in an honourable manner. If I put in enough laughing dogs to properly comment on that statement, I'd likely break the internet.