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Old 16th January 2021, 05:43 AM   #1
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what are the chances Julianni turns on Trump?

Word has it that Trump has stopped paying his legal fees and owes him a lot of money. Surely some enterprising prosecutor can seize that advantage and flip him?
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Old 16th January 2021, 05:44 AM   #2
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And yes, I do know I just misspelled the little jerk's name...
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Old 16th January 2021, 05:51 AM   #3
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If Giuliani were to testify that Trump ordered the murder of Seth Rich ... who at this point would believe him?
The Creature from the Crypt has no credibility whatsoever.
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Turn on how?
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I think Trump turned on Giuliani.

And there really isn't anything the latter can do to the former. He is Wormtongue to Trump's Saruman.
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Old 16th January 2021, 06:27 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Turn on how?
By telling prosecutors incriminating things he's learned as an insider.
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Old 16th January 2021, 06:30 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive View Post
By telling prosecutors incriminating things he's learned as an insider.
Oh noes we might find out that Trump has done illegal things while President! That would be such a game changer.

Seriously give me something Guiliani could tell us that's worse than "Attempted coup."
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Oh noes we might find out that Trump has done illegal things while President! That would be such a game changer.

Seriously give me something Guiliani could tell us that's worse than "Attempted coup."
Just as an example, Trump had drawn up plans to nuke an American city and blame it on someone else.
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Information concerning state crimes, ie stuff he could do time for rather than just being banned from public office?
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Old 16th January 2021, 08:52 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
Just as an example, Trump had drawn up plans to nuke an American city and blame it on someone else.
*Shrugs* So? We'd still have the same Trump-trolls here, in the streets, and in the voting booth talking about how we were being dramatic about it, lol lookit the triggered libs, and making absurd equivalency "whataboutisms."
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Old 16th January 2021, 08:53 AM   #11
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There's nothing he could do against Trump that Trump hasn't already done himself.

Trump's inner circle does not have the same level of protection though, and Rudy Colludy knows where the bodies are buried.
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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy View Post
There's nothing he could do against Trump that Trump hasn't already done himself.

Trump's inner circle does not have the same level of protection though, and Rudy Colludy knows where the bodies are buried.
And Trump knows where the fingerprint covered shovels are.

I wonder if this is the evolution of a classic circular firing squad?
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Old 16th January 2021, 09:18 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
I think Trump turned on Giuliani.

And there really isn't anything the latter can do to the former. He is Wormtongue to Trump's Saruman.
I think you've forgotten what Wormtongue did to Saruman in the end.

Fed up with mistreatment, Wormtongue cut Saruman's throat from ear-to-ear. Saruman didn't see it coming.
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Old 16th January 2021, 09:37 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
I think you've forgotten what Wormtongue did to Saruman in the end.

Fed up with mistreatment, Wormtongue cut Saruman's throat from ear-to-ear. Saruman didn't see it coming.
Yeah, but that only happens in the Extended Edition. We don't want this saga extended any more than necessary.
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Old 16th January 2021, 09:43 AM   #15
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We know trump is a con artist, and supported the terrorist activity at the Capitol. Problem is proving it in a court of law.

And I also recognize that guilianni is inherently untrustworthy, and would probably make a bad witness.

But in theory he COULD put investigators on the trail of new evidence... Contacts and meetings trump may have had that would otherwise be unknown, burner phones that might have been used, things that might be used to verify any claims guilianni made.

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Old 16th January 2021, 10:06 AM   #16
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As I recall, someone asked Giuliani about a scenario where Trump threw him under the bus, and the mayor joked that he had "insurance." I wouldn't be surprised if Trump stiffs him on legal fees but they call it even if Giuliani gets a pardon.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
I think you've forgotten what Wormtongue did to Saruman in the end.

Fed up with mistreatment, Wormtongue cut Saruman's throat from ear-to-ear. Saruman didn't see it coming.
The comparison is unfair anyhow. Saruman was WAY smarter than Trump.
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Old 16th January 2021, 12:17 PM   #18
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Everyone will turn on Trump politically, just as Trump turns on them. Rudi could easily be the classic jailhouse snitch and cop an immunity deal if things go far enough South.

The President will very soon have no political clout, so anyone who desires a political future will have to turncoat on him, save some lackeys grubbing after money. The Trump Show is over.
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Old 16th January 2021, 12:19 PM   #19
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Trump is probably trading a Paycheck for a Pardon when it comes to Rudy - and possibly others.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump is probably trading a Paycheck for a Pardon when it comes to Rudy - and possibly others.
This is probably why Giuliani hasn't publicly responded
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Lil' Drip is neither brave enough to backstab Toupee Fiasco, nor smart enough to do so without implicating himself badly. It's either "keep quiet" or kill them both" in the end, except since he's just the greazy lawyer instead of the former president, he's the one that'll get the worst of it.

(Not shocked to see Dolt 45 refuse to pay him, though - I thought everyone knew to get paid up front with him by now.)
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Aren't all conversations G has had with T covered by client-lawyer privilege?
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Aren't all conversations G has had with T covered by client-lawyer privilege?
Pretty sure Rudi would get disbarred rather than spend some time in the pokey for his involvement. I mean, he's always got hair dye endorsement opportunities as a parachute career.

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
The comparison is unfair anyhow. Saruman was WAY smarter than Trump.
And Wormtongue was way more honorable than Giuliani
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Aren't all conversations G has had with T covered by client-lawyer privilege?
The privilege doesn't cover crimes.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
The privilege doesn't cover crimes.
Now I've read the Wikipedia article Attorney-client privilegeWP and am a little wiser.
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Word has it that Trump has stopped paying his legal fees and owes him a lot of money. Surely some enterprising prosecutor can seize that advantage and flip him?
I expect that Rudy has already contacted some book publishers about his writing his memoirs.

After all, since Trump is now refusing to pay Rudy, then Rudy is going to have to do something in order to recoup his losses.
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Today, Rudy blamed ANTIFA for the attacks on the Capitol.

Why do they think this absurdity will work?
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Aren't all conversations G has had with T covered by client-lawyer privilege?
Not sure if that applies if both individuals are involved in the same crime.

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
*Shrugs* So? We'd still have the same Trump-trolls here, in the streets, and in the voting booth talking about how we were being dramatic about it, lol lookit the triggered libs, and making absurd equivalency "whataboutisms."
I suppose there is a chance Giuliani could have recorded evidence (probably nothing in writing because... Trump!). It wouldn’t matter what Trump trolls say about that if it meant Trumpypoos goes to jail.
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Rudy shoulda demanded payment in advance.
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Today, Rudy blamed ANTIFA for the attacks on the Capitol.

Why do they think this absurdity will work?
Because it will, on some.
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Because it will, on some.
Oh it totally will. It’s ironic - I suppose - that the so-called hero of 9/11 has become a terrorist sympathizer and Truther in his senile years.
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Oh it totally will. It’s ironic - I suppose - that the so-called hero of 9/11 has become a terrorist sympathizer and Truther in his senile years.
He's only supporting the man who was down there in the trenches helping right after the attack!
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The comparison is unfair anyhow. Saruman was WAY smarter than Trump.
And Saruman is less evil.
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Oh noes we might find out that Trump has done illegal things while President! That would be such a game changer.

Seriously give me something Guiliani could tell us that's worse than "Attempted coup."
That Trump remains in active clandestine contact with Russial making him a spy and political saboteur.
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Aren't all conversations G has had with T covered by client-lawyer privilege?
Not in the event they are co-conspirators.
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Aren't all conversations G has had with T covered by client-lawyer privilege?
Depends on whether the communication falls under the crime-fraud exception, which may in turn depend on which jurisdiction it happened in.

ETA: and as the other postern noted above, on whether G and T were involved in a conspiracy.

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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
I think you've forgotten what Wormtongue did to Saruman in the end.

Fed up with mistreatment, Wormtongue cut Saruman's throat from ear-to-ear. Saruman didn't see it coming.
I guess I did forget that. I did read the books, but so long ago.
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Word has it that Trump has stopped paying his legal fees and owes him a lot of money. Surely some enterprising prosecutor can seize that advantage and flip him?
Can't. Client confidentiality remains legally privileged.
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