Eric Trump Invokes 5th

Ranb · 19th January 2022, 06:19 PM

Eric Trump Invoked Fifth Amendment About 500 Times, N.Y. AG Says
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...es-n-y-ag-says

Quote:

Eric Trump invoked the Fifth Amendment more than 500 times when the Trump Organization executive vice president was deposed as part of a civil probe into the company’s asset valuations, New York’s top law enforcement officer told a judge.

I wonder if Eric Trump got advice from his father before he invoked his 5th Amendment rights?

Ranb

Norman Alexander · 19th January 2022, 06:21 PM

Only the Mafia invokes the 5th. Or so I'm told.

ETA. Eric is probably too dumb to pass the Mafia Henchman Exam level 1.

webfusion · 19th January 2022, 07:22 PM

Also, it has been reported that the Trump Organization provided a grand total of 3 documents from Donald himself, to the NY A-G in response to a subpoena issued more than two years ago. "Only three of more than 5 million documents the company handed over in the two years since were actually produced by Mr. Trump."
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-organiz...194747881.html

The Great Zaganza · 19th January 2022, 10:55 PM

Eric:" Daddy, do you love me?"
DJT:"I plead the Fifth."

cmikes · 20th January 2022, 05:05 AM

Never talk to the police.

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

Also, this investigation has been going on since Trump announced he was running for president, if there was anything to find it would have been found by now. Especially since it's a tax investigation and the tax code is so complicated that you can go to five different tax lawyers and get five different answers on what's legal and what's not.

SuburbanTurkey · 20th January 2022, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by cmikes

Never talk to the police.

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

Also, this investigation has been going on since Trump announced he was running for president, if there was anything to find it would have been found by now. Especially since it's a tax investigation and the tax code is so complicated that you can go to five different tax lawyers and get five different answers on what's legal and what's not.

Yeah, the Trumps are dirty as hell, but invoking the 5th when questioned by people trying to imprison you is pretty much always the right move. Don't talk to the cops who are trying to imprison you is good advice for the Trumps and for everyone else. Guilty people and innocent people alike should (and do) invoke the fifth.

The worst part of having a criminal president like Trump is seeing liberals, who have traditionally been much better about civil rights issues, becoming rabid pro-cop fanatics and repeating stupid axioms like invoking the 5th is a indication of guilt.

I very much hope the NY AG nails this criminal family to the wall. The Trump fail-son invoking the 5th is not a useful data point.

The Great Zaganza · 20th January 2022, 05:39 AM

There is a big difference between not talking to authorities without decent legal representation and pleading the 5th.

SuburbanTurkey · 20th January 2022, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

There is a big difference between not talking to authorities without decent legal representation and pleading the 5th.

Decent legal representation is going to advise people to not help the cops build a case against you. Innocent people with legal representation are extremely frequently counseled to invoke the 5th.

There's so much good, juicy indications of guilt in the Trump dumpster fire, it's maddening that such nonsense is being repeated.

pgwenthold · 20th January 2022, 05:45 AM

Sure, obviously the correct answer is, "It's not wrong to take the 5th."

The problem, and the main reason Eric Trump is getting flak for it, is because it was the President Trump who insisted that only the mafia takes the 5th.

SuburbanTurkey · 20th January 2022, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Sure, obviously the correct answer is, "It's not wrong to take the 5th."

The problem, and the main reason Eric Trump is getting flak for it, is because it was the President Trump who insisted that only the mafia takes the 5th.

I'm just bracing myself for more "justice is coming" type media fervor from the braindead pundits. I really thought the big wet fart that was the Mueller investigation would have been the end of that, but I'm sure every minor procedural update in this investigation is going to be trumpeted as the death knell for the Trumps.

ETA:

Originally Posted by Occupy Democrats

BREAKING: New York investigators announce that Eric Trump “pleaded the Fifth” over 500 times when interviewed about his family’s tax fraud, although his daddy Donald said, “only the mob pleads the Fifth” while attacking Hillary in 2016. RT IF YOU THINK THAT THE TRUMPS ARE GUILTY!

https://twitter.com/search?q=fifth&src=typed_query

This is the kind of nonsense I'm talking about.

Planigale · 20th January 2022, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Ranb

Eric Trump Invoked Fifth Amendment About 500 Times, N.Y. AG Says
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...es-n-y-ag-says

I wonder if Eric Trump got advice from his father before he invoked his 5th Amendment rights?

Ranb

So how many times was he asked the same question in slightly different ways? It is not as if the AG is 'innocent' in this he must have put 500 questions to ET knowing that a competent lawyer would advise him to decline to answer.

Ranb · 20th January 2022, 10:43 AM

I can't see YouTube at work, but if the link above is the law professor talking about the 5th Amendment and giving equal time to a police officer/law student, I think it is an excellent video.

I'm a huge fan of the 5th Amendment and the rights it protects. My main reason for this thread is Donald Trump's position that only criminals use 5th Amendment protections.

Darat · 20th January 2022, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by webfusion

Also, it has been reported that the Trump Organization provided a grand total of 3 documents from Donald himself, to the NY A-G in response to a subpoena issued more than two years ago. "Only three of more than 5 million documents the company handed over in the two years since were actually produced by Mr. Trump."
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-organiz...194747881.html

That is truly astonishing! How did he mange to produce 3 documents in that time period?

bruto · 20th January 2022, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Ranb

I can't see YouTube at work, but if the link above is the law professor talking about the 5th Amendment and giving equal time to a police officer/law student, I think it is an excellent video.

I'm a huge fan of the 5th Amendment and the rights it protects. My main reason for this thread is Donald Trump's position that only criminals use 5th Amendment protections.

Exactly. He has every right to plead the fifth, but he pissed on that right before, and even if we acknowledge that he still has the right, I think we're entitled to point out the irony.

Segnosaur · 22nd January 2022, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by cmikes

Also, this investigation has been going on since Trump announced he was running for president, if there was anything to find it would have been found by now. Especially since it's a tax investigation and the tax code is so complicated that you can go to five different tax lawyers and get five different answers on what's legal and what's not.

Whatever "investigations" that were occuring in the past were hampered by the fact that trump was president, and as such was in a position to obstruct various investigations. It has only been recently that investigators have had enough access to records to do a proper investigation.

And while some experts might give different advice on some issues, i doubt any will recommend (for example) giving property values more than 4 times higher than appraised values.

Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk

Jim_MDP · 23rd January 2022, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

I'm just bracing myself for more "justice is coming" type media fervor from the braindead pundits. I really thought the big wet fart that was the Mueller investigation would have been the end of that, but I'm sure every minor procedural update in this investigation is going to be trumpeted as the death knell for the Trumps.

ETA:

https://twitter.com/search?q=fifth&src=typed_query

This is the kind of nonsense I'm talking about.

While I see most of those as flippant hyperbole, 3 or 4 posts prior you'd called them dirty criminals, a criminal family and a criminal president.
Pick a lane.

SuburbanTurkey · 23rd January 2022, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Jim_MDP

While I see most of those as flippant hyperbole, 3 or 4 posts prior you'd called them dirty criminals, a criminal family and a criminal president.
Pick a lane.

I don't see how my two positions are irreconcilable.

The Trump fail-son taking the 5th is not indicative of much.

There's plenty of other, much better reasons to believe the whole family is involved in a variety of illegal and barely legal schemes. Paperwork showing the Trump company playing fast and loose with property valuations to either minimize taxation or to maximize collateral for loans are much more informative.

JoeMorgue · 23rd January 2022, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

There's plenty of other, much better reasons to believe the whole family is involved in a variety of illegal and barely legal schemes.

I mean on one hand the Democrats are telling me Trump and Co are involved in shady dealings.

On the other hand Trump and Co are bragging about being involved in shady dealings.

I mean I don't know what to think. I'm so conflicted.

Ziggurat · 25th January 2022, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by bruto

Exactly. He has every right to plead the fifth, but he pissed on that right before, and even if we acknowledge that he still has the right, I think we're entitled to point out the irony.

Who exactly is "he"? From what I've gathered, it sounds like Donald was the one who said only the mafia pleads the 5th. But Eric is the one invoking it now. Yeah, I see the irony, but Eric still isn't Donald. So... meh.

plague311 · 25th January 2022, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Who exactly is "he"? From what I've gathered, it sounds like Donald was the one who said only the mafia pleads the 5th. But Eric is the one invoking it now. Yeah, I see the irony, but Eric still isn't Donald. So... meh.

He would be if he could be...

dudalb · 25th January 2022, 02:37 PM

And Alex Jones takes the fifth over a 100 times. I see a trend here.

Jim_MDP · 25th January 2022, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

And Alex Jones takes the fifth over a 100 times. I see a trend here.

Ah, we sorta crossposted, I thought you were citing something old.
Has Alex just now been pleading?

dudalb · 25th January 2022, 04:27 PM

SO Eric and Alex are Mafia bosses?

Jim_MDP · 25th January 2022, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

SO Eric and Alex are Mafia bosses?

Now c'mon... only Sr. says that.

bruto · 25th January 2022, 09:47 PM

Yes, I carelessly conflated junior and senior, thus depriving the lad of credit for his youthful rebellion.

The Great Zaganza · 25th January 2022, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

SO Eric and Alex are Mafia bosses?

Aspirationally

P.J. Denyer · 26th January 2022, 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Aspirationally

With a capital "Ass"

Drewbot · 26th January 2022, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Only the Mafia invokes the 5th. Or so I'm told.

ETA. Eric is probably too dumb to pass the Mafia Henchman Exam level 1.

Invoking his 5th Amendment right, actually implies higher intelligence. (Or a smart lawyer)

The effects of not understanding your constitutional rights, weighs far heavier on people of low intelligence and/or low education.

Resume · 26th January 2022, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Invoking his 5th Amendment right, actually implies higher intelligence. (Or a smart lawyer)

The effects of not understanding your constitutional rights, weighs far heavier on people of low intelligence and/or low education.

Indeed. I imagine his attorney is quite intelligent.

bruto · 26th January 2022, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

Indeed. I imagine his attorney is quite intelligent.

Granted, knowing about the 5th indicates a little bit more intelligence than that of, say, a sack of potatoes, but not much more than a sixth grader who stayed awake in class. Less if one's attorney's license is not written in crayon. It's a start, but I would not count it too high among the lineaments of intellect.

mgidm86 · 27th January 2022, 08:53 PM

I think being in a position where one must plead the 5th is a pretty good indicator of lesser intelligence.

The Great Zaganza · 27th January 2022, 09:18 PM

Yeah, getting yourself into that position means something went wrong much earlier.
And in this case, taking the 5th can be considered a sign of guilty in subsequent civil litigation, i.e. when banks come to take all the assets they can.

Resume · 27th January 2022, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Yeah, getting yourself into that position means something went wrong much earlier.
And in this case, taking the 5th can be considered a sign of guilty in subsequent civil litigation, i.e. when banks come to take all the assets they can.

What assets?

The Great Zaganza · 27th January 2022, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

What assets?

When it comes to paying debtors, those who were given fraudulent evaluations might have a case to get served first, i.e. get 10cents on their $ for Mar-a-Lago and some Hotels and golf clubs instead of nothing.

Norman Alexander · 28th January 2022, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Invoking his 5th Amendment right, actually implies higher intelligence. (Or a smart lawyer)

The effects of not understanding your constitutional rights, weighs far heavier on people of low intelligence and/or low education.

I'm betting it took MONTHS to train Eric to say "I plead the fifth" consistently and accurately to any questions directed his way. Just getting him to not shoot his stupid mouth off would have been a lot of that. He was never very good in the school play either - always trouble with his lines.

SuburbanTurkey · 28th January 2022, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Sure, obviously the correct answer is, "It's not wrong to take the 5th."

The problem, and the main reason Eric Trump is getting flak for it, is because it was the President Trump who insisted that only the mafia takes the 5th.

Well yeah, it was stupid when Trump said it then, and it's still stupid when people say it now.

There's a difference between the people pointing out the obvious hypocrisy and the people claiming that taking the 5th indicates some level of guilt.

Again, there's lots of very good reasons to think Trump and co and are guilty as hell, there's no reason to go chasing red herrings like this.

19th January 2022, 06:19 PM	#1
Ranb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA USA Posts: 10,534	Eric Trump Invokes 5th Eric Trump Invoked Fifth Amendment About 500 Times, N.Y. AG Says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...es-n-y-ag-says Quote: Eric Trump invoked the Fifth Amendment more than 500 times when the Trump Organization executive vice president was deposed as part of a civil probe into the company’s asset valuations, New York’s top law enforcement officer told a judge. I wonder if Eric Trump got advice from his father before he invoked his 5th Amendment rights? Ranb
	Last edited by Ranb; 19th January 2022 at 07:00 PM.

19th January 2022, 06:21 PM	#2
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,742	Only the Mafia invokes the 5th. Or so I'm told. ETA. Eric is probably too dumb to pass the Mafia Henchman Exam level 1.
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

19th January 2022, 07:22 PM	#3
webfusion Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,009	Also, it has been reported that the Trump Organization provided a grand total of 3 documents from Donald himself, to the NY A-G in response to a subpoena issued more than two years ago. "Only three of more than 5 million documents the company handed over in the two years since were actually produced by Mr. Trump." https://news.yahoo.com/trump-organiz...194747881.html
webfusion Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,009

19th January 2022, 10:55 PM	#4
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 17,704	Eric:" Daddy, do you love me?" DJT:"I plead the Fifth."
	__________________ "Metaphysics is a restaurant where they give you a thirty thousand page menu, and no food." - Robert M. Pirsig

20th January 2022, 05:39 AM	#7
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 17,704	There is a big difference between not talking to authorities without decent legal representation and pleading the 5th.
	__________________ "Metaphysics is a restaurant where they give you a thirty thousand page menu, and no food." - Robert M. Pirsig

20th January 2022, 05:43 AM	#8
SuburbanTurkey Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 15,162	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza There is a big difference between not talking to authorities without decent legal representation and pleading the 5th. Decent legal representation is going to advise people to not help the cops build a case against you. Innocent people with legal representation are extremely frequently counseled to invoke the 5th. There's so much good, juicy indications of guilt in the Trump dumpster fire, it's maddening that such nonsense is being repeated.
	__________________ Gobble gobble

20th January 2022, 05:45 AM	#9
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,643	Sure, obviously the correct answer is, "It's not wrong to take the 5th." The problem, and the main reason Eric Trump is getting flak for it, is because it was the President Trump who insisted that only the mafia takes the 5th.
	__________________ "As your friend, I have to be honest with you: I don't care about you or your problems" - Chloe, Secret Life of Pets

20th January 2022, 05:52 AM	#10
SuburbanTurkey Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 15,162	Originally Posted by pgwenthold Sure, obviously the correct answer is, "It's not wrong to take the 5th." The problem, and the main reason Eric Trump is getting flak for it, is because it was the President Trump who insisted that only the mafia takes the 5th. I'm just bracing myself for more "justice is coming" type media fervor from the braindead pundits. I really thought the big wet fart that was the Mueller investigation would have been the end of that, but I'm sure every minor procedural update in this investigation is going to be trumpeted as the death knell for the Trumps. ETA: Originally Posted by Occupy Democrats BREAKING: New York investigators announce that Eric Trump “pleaded the Fifth” over 500 times when interviewed about his family’s tax fraud, although his daddy Donald said, “only the mob pleads the Fifth” while attacking Hillary in 2016. RT IF YOU THINK THAT THE TRUMPS ARE GUILTY! https://twitter.com/search?q=fifth&src=typed_query This is the kind of nonsense I'm talking about.
	__________________ Gobble gobble Last edited by SuburbanTurkey; 20th January 2022 at 05:58 AM.

20th January 2022, 08:29 AM	#11
Planigale Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: 49 North Posts: 5,617	Originally Posted by Ranb Eric Trump Invoked Fifth Amendment About 500 Times, N.Y. AG Says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...es-n-y-ag-says I wonder if Eric Trump got advice from his father before he invoked his 5th Amendment rights? Ranb So how many times was he asked the same question in slightly different ways? It is not as if the AG is 'innocent' in this he must have put 500 questions to ET knowing that a competent lawyer would advise him to decline to answer.

20th January 2022, 10:43 AM	#12
Ranb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA USA Posts: 10,534	I can't see YouTube at work, but if the link above is the law professor talking about the 5th Amendment and giving equal time to a police officer/law student, I think it is an excellent video. I'm a huge fan of the 5th Amendment and the rights it protects. My main reason for this thread is Donald Trump's position that only criminals use 5th Amendment protections.

20th January 2022, 10:44 AM	#13
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 101,818	Originally Posted by webfusion Also, it has been reported that the Trump Organization provided a grand total of 3 documents from Donald himself, to the NY A-G in response to a subpoena issued more than two years ago. "Only three of more than 5 million documents the company handed over in the two years since were actually produced by Mr. Trump." https://news.yahoo.com/trump-organiz...194747881.html That is truly astonishing! How did he mange to produce 3 documents in that time period?
	__________________ I wish I knew how to quit you

20th January 2022, 11:27 AM	#14
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 32,397	Originally Posted by Ranb I can't see YouTube at work, but if the link above is the law professor talking about the 5th Amendment and giving equal time to a police officer/law student, I think it is an excellent video. I'm a huge fan of the 5th Amendment and the rights it protects. My main reason for this thread is Donald Trump's position that only criminals use 5th Amendment protections. Exactly. He has every right to plead the fifth, but he pissed on that right before, and even if we acknowledge that he still has the right, I think we're entitled to point out the irony.
	__________________ I love this world, but not for its answers. (Mary Oliver) "There is another world, but it's in this one." (Paul Eluard)

22nd January 2022, 04:05 PM	#15
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 18,686	Originally Posted by cmikes Also, this investigation has been going on since Trump announced he was running for president, if there was anything to find it would have been found by now. Especially since it's a tax investigation and the tax code is so complicated that you can go to five different tax lawyers and get five different answers on what's legal and what's not. Whatever "investigations" that were occuring in the past were hampered by the fact that trump was president, and as such was in a position to obstruct various investigations. It has only been recently that investigators have had enough access to records to do a proper investigation. And while some experts might give different advice on some issues, i doubt any will recommend (for example) giving property values more than 4 times higher than appraised values. Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk
	__________________ Trust me, I know what I'm doing. - Sledgehammer I'm Mary Poppin's Y'all! - Yondu We are Groot - Groot

23rd January 2022, 02:56 PM	#16
Jim_MDP Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: N.Cal/S.Or Posts: 8,937	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey I'm just bracing myself for more "justice is coming" type media fervor from the braindead pundits. I really thought the big wet fart that was the Mueller investigation would have been the end of that, but I'm sure every minor procedural update in this investigation is going to be trumpeted as the death knell for the Trumps. ETA: https://twitter.com/search?q=fifth&src=typed_query This is the kind of nonsense I'm talking about. While I see most of those as flippant hyperbole, 3 or 4 posts prior you'd called them dirty criminals, a criminal family and a criminal president. Pick a lane.
	__________________ ---------------------- Anything goes in the Goblin hut... anything. "Suggesting spurious explanations isn't relevant to my work." -- WTC Dust. "Both cannot be simultaneously true, and so one may conclude neither is true, and if neither is true, then Apollo is fraudulent." -- Patrick1000.

23rd January 2022, 04:06 PM	#17
SuburbanTurkey Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 15,162	Originally Posted by Jim_MDP While I see most of those as flippant hyperbole, 3 or 4 posts prior you'd called them dirty criminals, a criminal family and a criminal president. Pick a lane. I don't see how my two positions are irreconcilable. The Trump fail-son taking the 5th is not indicative of much. There's plenty of other, much better reasons to believe the whole family is involved in a variety of illegal and barely legal schemes. Paperwork showing the Trump company playing fast and loose with property valuations to either minimize taxation or to maximize collateral for loans are much more informative.
	__________________ Gobble gobble

23rd January 2022, 06:31 PM	#18
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 39,418	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey There's plenty of other, much better reasons to believe the whole family is involved in a variety of illegal and barely legal schemes. I mean on one hand the Democrats are telling me Trump and Co are involved in shady dealings. On the other hand Trump and Co are bragging about being involved in shady dealings. I mean I don't know what to think. I'm so conflicted.
	__________________ "If everyone in the room says water is wet and I say it's dry that makes me smart because at least I'm thinking for myself!" - The Proudly Wrong.

25th January 2022, 09:01 AM	#19
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 51,359	Originally Posted by bruto Exactly. He has every right to plead the fifth, but he pissed on that right before, and even if we acknowledge that he still has the right, I think we're entitled to point out the irony. Who exactly is "he"? From what I've gathered, it sounds like Donald was the one who said only the mafia pleads the 5th. But Eric is the one invoking it now. Yeah, I see the irony, but Eric still isn't Donald. So... meh.
	__________________ "As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law

25th January 2022, 12:26 PM	#20
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 12,507	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Who exactly is "he"? From what I've gathered, it sounds like Donald was the one who said only the mafia pleads the 5th. But Eric is the one invoking it now. Yeah, I see the irony, but Eric still isn't Donald. So... meh. He would be if he could be...
	__________________ "Circumcision and death threats go together like milk and cookies." - William Parcher “There are times when the mind is dealt such a blow it hides itself in insanity. While this may not seem beneficial, it is. There are times when reality is nothing but pain, and to escape that pain the mind must leave reality behind.” - Patrick Rothfuss

25th January 2022, 02:37 PM	#21
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 54,926	And Alex Jones takes the fifth over a 100 times. I see a trend here.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

25th January 2022, 04:17 PM	#22
Jim_MDP Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: N.Cal/S.Or Posts: 8,937	Originally Posted by dudalb And Alex Jones takes the fifth over a 100 times. I see a trend here. Ah, we sorta crossposted, I thought you were citing something old. Has Alex just now been pleading?
	__________________ ---------------------- Anything goes in the Goblin hut... anything. "Suggesting spurious explanations isn't relevant to my work." -- WTC Dust. "Both cannot be simultaneously true, and so one may conclude neither is true, and if neither is true, then Apollo is fraudulent." -- Patrick1000.

25th January 2022, 04:27 PM	#23
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 54,926	SO Eric and Alex are Mafia bosses?
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

25th January 2022, 04:35 PM	#24
Jim_MDP Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: N.Cal/S.Or Posts: 8,937	Originally Posted by dudalb SO Eric and Alex are Mafia bosses? Now c'mon... only Sr. says that.
	__________________ ---------------------- Anything goes in the Goblin hut... anything. "Suggesting spurious explanations isn't relevant to my work." -- WTC Dust. "Both cannot be simultaneously true, and so one may conclude neither is true, and if neither is true, then Apollo is fraudulent." -- Patrick1000.

25th January 2022, 09:47 PM	#25
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 32,397	Yes, I carelessly conflated junior and senior, thus depriving the lad of credit for his youthful rebellion.
	__________________ I love this world, but not for its answers. (Mary Oliver) "There is another world, but it's in this one." (Paul Eluard)

25th January 2022, 09:57 PM	#26
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 17,704	Originally Posted by dudalb SO Eric and Alex are Mafia bosses? Aspirationally
	__________________ "Metaphysics is a restaurant where they give you a thirty thousand page menu, and no food." - Robert M. Pirsig

26th January 2022, 03:06 AM	#27
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8,704	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Aspirationally With a capital "Ass"
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8,704	__________________ "I know my brain cannot tell me what to think." - Scorpion "Nebulous means Nebulous" - Adam Hills

26th January 2022, 06:50 AM	#28
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,464	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Only the Mafia invokes the 5th. Or so I'm told. ETA. Eric is probably too dumb to pass the Mafia Henchman Exam level 1. Invoking his 5th Amendment right, actually implies higher intelligence. (Or a smart lawyer) The effects of not understanding your constitutional rights, weighs far heavier on people of low intelligence and/or low education.
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,464	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

26th January 2022, 07:44 AM	#29
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 21,232	Originally Posted by Drewbot Invoking his 5th Amendment right, actually implies higher intelligence. (Or a smart lawyer) The effects of not understanding your constitutional rights, weighs far heavier on people of low intelligence and/or low education. Indeed. I imagine his attorney is quite intelligent.
	__________________ " Glory to our Allies . . . Glory to Ukraine!" President Volodymyr Zelenskyy

26th January 2022, 08:59 PM	#30
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 32,397	Originally Posted by Resume Indeed. I imagine his attorney is quite intelligent. Granted, knowing about the 5th indicates a little bit more intelligence than that of, say, a sack of potatoes, but not much more than a sixth grader who stayed awake in class. Less if one's attorney's license is not written in crayon. It's a start, but I would not count it too high among the lineaments of intellect.
	__________________ I love this world, but not for its answers. (Mary Oliver) "There is another world, but it's in this one." (Paul Eluard)

27th January 2022, 08:53 PM	#31
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,740	I think being in a position where one must plead the 5th is a pretty good indicator of lesser intelligence.
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,740	__________________ A zombie would starve here.

27th January 2022, 09:18 PM	#32
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 17,704	Yeah, getting yourself into that position means something went wrong much earlier. And in this case, taking the 5th can be considered a sign of guilty in subsequent civil litigation, i.e. when banks come to take all the assets they can.
	__________________ "Metaphysics is a restaurant where they give you a thirty thousand page menu, and no food." - Robert M. Pirsig

27th January 2022, 09:22 PM	#33
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 21,232	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Yeah, getting yourself into that position means something went wrong much earlier. And in this case, taking the 5th can be considered a sign of guilty in subsequent civil litigation, i.e. when banks come to take all the assets they can. What assets?
	__________________ " Glory to our Allies . . . Glory to Ukraine!" President Volodymyr Zelenskyy

27th January 2022, 11:09 PM	#34
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 17,704	Originally Posted by Resume What assets? When it comes to paying debtors, those who were given fraudulent evaluations might have a case to get served first, i.e. get 10cents on their $ for Mar-a-Lago and some Hotels and golf clubs instead of nothing.
	__________________ "Metaphysics is a restaurant where they give you a thirty thousand page menu, and no food." - Robert M. Pirsig

28th January 2022, 01:34 AM	#35
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,742	Originally Posted by Drewbot Invoking his 5th Amendment right, actually implies higher intelligence. (Or a smart lawyer) The effects of not understanding your constitutional rights, weighs far heavier on people of low intelligence and/or low education. I'm betting it took MONTHS to train Eric to say "I plead the fifth" consistently and accurately to any questions directed his way. Just getting him to not shoot his stupid mouth off would have been a lot of that. He was never very good in the school play either - always trouble with his lines.
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

28th January 2022, 05:42 AM	#36
SuburbanTurkey Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 15,162	Originally Posted by pgwenthold Sure, obviously the correct answer is, "It's not wrong to take the 5th." The problem, and the main reason Eric Trump is getting flak for it, is because it was the President Trump who insisted that only the mafia takes the 5th. Well yeah, it was stupid when Trump said it then, and it's still stupid when people say it now. There's a difference between the people pointing out the obvious hypocrisy and the people claiming that taking the 5th indicates some level of guilt. Again, there's lots of very good reasons to think Trump and co and are guilty as hell, there's no reason to go chasing red herrings like this.
	__________________ Gobble gobble