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Old 28th May 2012, 05:28 PM   #121
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It looks like Bill is crunching numbers again

Originally Posted by Bill @ BFF
Posted 18 May 2012 - 03:58 PM

Tontar:

The camera angle rig is designed and will be built in the coming months (Maybe July, July at the latest) and then tested with an actual cast duplicate of one of Roger's two casts of that day,

The trip is now looking like the last two weeks of july.

The lens issue will be settled more or less conclusively by September, using optical science and mathematics.

If fact, a whole lot of things should be settled then. I've got a busy summer ahead of me.

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Old 29th May 2012, 02:26 AM   #122
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Funny thing...the usual way is for a fraud artist to get money directly from the marks - but they wouldn't support his $75,000 scam. Therefore - the TV shows must be promising $$$ or that is what he is hoping for. Does that make the TV shows the frauds and the watchers the marks?
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If the TV shows' producers know its all a scam and sell it as true or possibly true, then yes, they are indeed part of the scheme.

Snake oil salesmen/women. Seems they found a home at the History Channel.
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Old 29th May 2012, 05:08 AM   #124
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Originally Posted by GT/CS View Post
It looks like Bill is crunching numbers again
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Originally Posted by Bill @ BFF
Posted 18 May 2012 - 03:58 PM

...The lens issue will be settled more or less conclusively by September, using optical science and mathematics.
As has been pointed out previously - until Munns starts using photogrammetry tools, he's NOT using optical science OR mathematics.

As William Parcher stated up thread,
"Everything else that Munns has illustrated with the creek is speculation and creative artistry. "
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Old 29th May 2012, 09:55 AM   #125
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
William Parcher calculates the probability of Bill Munns being a weirdo crackpot who is completely wrong about the identity of the PGF subject and Bigfoot in general at 99% (margin of error 1%).
haha agreed 100%
the man has problems..hes also just in it to make money.
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Old 29th May 2012, 09:58 AM   #126
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Details....details...pesky little details...


I calculate the probability at approximately 100%....that Dfoot's "recreation" of Patty......"D-sucks".

Anyone else wanna give it a try??......and fail...miserably, laughably...[/quote]

and more pointless doodles with numbers on.that prove nothing.

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Old 29th May 2012, 10:13 AM   #127
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" of course its real Trin, what person , has ever moved like that...in the history of people."

- Ricky, Trailer Park Boys.

Come on people, the simple fact remains that if there was enough to breed there would be enough to notice. Otherwise we would be getting weird imbred bigfeet as time went on.

Man, where are the people who believe in dragons? At least dragons are neat. Bigfoot just seems straight up boring.

I mean really, what do you want to see, some dragon majestically flying through the air, maybe breathing a little fire? Or some ape that's claim to fame is walking around like it is bored all the time?
I think we need more love for jackalopes. You can find actual specimens in every bar and tourist trap in Wyoming, and photographs of much better quality than I've ever seen for bigfoot.
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I think we need more love for jackalopes. You can find actual specimens in every bar and tourist trap in Wyoming, and photographs of much better quality than I've ever seen for bigfoot.
Jackalopes are incredible.. especially during the mating season !?
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Old 20th June 2012, 10:06 AM   #129
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Professor Jurgen Konczak did an experiment with the Patterson film and he has found that it's not possible for a normal human to replicate the walk seen in the film.

Philip Morris couldn't properly recreate the "suit", even with today's vastly superior materials.

The materials required to replicate some of Patty's features with a suit didn't even exist in the 60's.

Bill Munns demonstrated how Patty's anatomical features are impossible for a human to have and even more so with a suit on.


Could the PGF have been hoaxed? I think so, but not with a human wearing a suit. The evidence is there, we just need to open our eyes to it.
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Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch View Post
Professor Jurgen Konczak did an experiment with the Patterson film and he has found that it's not possible for a normal human to replicate the walk seen in the film.

Philip Morris couldn't properly recreate the "suit", even with today's vastly superior materials.

The materials required to replicate some of Patty's features with a suit didn't even exist in the 60's.

Bill Munns demonstrated how Patty's anatomical features are impossible for a human to have and even more so with a suit on.


Could the PGF have been hoaxed? I think so, but not with a human wearing a suit. The evidence is there, we just need to open our eyes to it.
That's kinda cute, but it's a person in a suit and any other answer does not compute . . . unless of course you're in it for the loot.

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Old 20th June 2012, 10:19 AM   #131
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any other answer does not compute
In that case even if it's real it wouldn't convince you anyway would it
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In that case even if it's real it wouldn't convince you anyway would it
Of course it would, that's what skepticism is all about; show me the evidence and I'm helpless to accept it.

But, you must know that after all these years since the PGF and all that hogwash we're at the "show me the monkey" stage.

Got monkey?

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If anything the monkey has got me


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If anything the monkey has got me http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ons/icon14.gif


in a way
That I'd agree with.
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Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch View Post
Professor Jurgen Konczak did an experiment with the Patterson film and he has found that it's not possible for a normal human to replicate the walk seen in the film.
One facet of pseudoscience is that however solidly something is debunked, IT NEVER GOES AWAY. Not only is this one debunked, but it's EASILY debunked. Even Jeff Meldrum has conceded this ON TV.

http://orgoneresearch.com/2009/10/19...-inhuman-gait/
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Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch View Post
Professor Jurgen Konczak did an experiment with the Patterson film and he has found that it's not possible for a normal human to replicate the walk seen in the film.

Philip Morris couldn't properly recreate the "suit", even with today's vastly superior materials.

The materials required to replicate some of Patty's features with a suit didn't even exist in the 60's.

Bill Munns demonstrated how Patty's anatomical features are impossible for a human to have and even more so with a suit on.


Could the PGF have been hoaxed? I think so, but not with a human wearing a suit. The evidence is there, we just need to open our eyes to it.
Since you've analyzed all the evidence you must know that Munns in incredibly biased and has openly stated that his goal is to prove Patty to be real. So why do you so blindly accept his findings?

Have you seen the program where Bob H. walks EXACTLY like Patty?
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Professor Jurgen Konczak did an experiment with the Patterson film and he has found that it's not possible for a normal human to replicate the walk seen in the film.
He was mistaken. The walk has been replicated on video by a man in a heavy ape suit, while Meldrum looks on gape-mouthed and incredulous. At the end of the video segment, Meldrum pretends it never happened.

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Philip Morris couldn't properly recreate the "suit", even with today's vastly superior materials.

The materials required to replicate some of Patty's features with a suit didn't even exist in the 60's.
Then Morris is either an idiot or he wasn't trying to "recreate" the Patty suit. The full-body ape-man suits in Beneath the Planet of the Apes and 2001: A Space Odyssey, both produced in the same period as the PGF, show that your assumptions are mistaken.

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Bill Munns demonstrated how Patty's anatomical features are impossible for a human to have and even more so with a suit on.
No he hasn't.

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Could the PGF have been hoaxed? I think so, but not with a human wearing a suit. The evidence is there, we just need to open our eyes to it.
You first.
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Philip Morris couldn't properly recreate the "suit", even with today's vastly superior materials.
This is a new one on me. What is the basis for this one?
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Maybe it's the walk?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRi1V...ature=youtu.be
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Bigsploitation.. trying to keep the skeptics down !!

Um.. we have been through this before. Although for the record I like her boots.
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This is a new one on me. What is the basis for this one?
He dressed up BobH into this suit right here



Mr. Morris even claimed it's the original bigfoot costume



now if we take a look back 45 years...

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With your bigfoot knowledge you must know that Patterson heavily modified the suit.

This isn't the BFF and you're not dealing with a bunch of wide-eyed rubes, like the ones you're used to.
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So what? Either Morris is lying about supplying the original suit, or Patterson modified whatever suit(s) he did supply.

Surely you're not suggesting, OS, that such suits cannot be made... today or at any time in the past. We have muscled ape-suits as far back as the 1930s for the MGM Tarzan films, and certainly in the 60s the Planet of the Apes movies and 2001 full-body ape-suits show that convincing ape-man costumes were being produced.

I feel like it's 2009 all over again. We've been over this stuff ad nauseam in the hundreds of pages of PGF threads.
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That's one of the many things BobH has claimed. BobH also claimed Roger Patterson filmed him while on a horse while in the actual film Roger Patterson is seen running to get closer to the creature.


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Surely you're not suggesting, OS, that such suits cannot be made... today or at any time in the past. We have muscled ape-suits as far back as the 1930s for the MGM Tarzan films, and certainly in the 60s the Planet of the Apes movies and 2001 full-body ape-suits show that convincing ape-man costumes were being produced.
I haven't seen any costumes close to Patty. Or any costume that could show the outlines of muscles and bones.

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That's one of the many things BobH has claimed. BobH also claimed Roger Patterson filmed him while on a horse while in the actual film Roger Patterson is seen running to get closer to the creature.
So? Bob H could be lying or mistaken. And...?

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I haven't seen any costumes close to Patty. Or any costume that could show the outlines of muscles and bones.
Then you're not doing the necessary research. Try the following films:

Tarzan and His Mate (1934)
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1968)
King Kong (1976)
Greystoke (1983)
Gorillas in the Mist (1987)
George of the Jungle (1994?)
Mighty Joe Young (1997)

All of the above films have various levels of convincing muscled ape suits. You're out of your depth here, OS.

ETA:

I forgot:

Trading Places (1983)
Congo (1995)
Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1970?)
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Nor have you or your pal, Old Hickory looked at the past Threads on this Forum.
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That's one of the many things BobH has claimed. BobH also claimed Roger Patterson filmed him while on a horse while in the actual film Roger Patterson is seen running to get closer to the creature.
He is? When was that?

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He is? When was that?

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I made a mistake there. We can tell he's running by the camera's motion. He's not actually seen running in the film.
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I made a mistake there. We can tell he's running by the camera's motion. He's not actually seen running in the film.
How can you tell that he's running by the camera motion?
How do you know he wasn't filming when he told Bob to start walking, then jumped off the horse?
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" Nor have you or your pal, Old Hickory looked at the past Threads on this Forum"

Pal? It is acceptable to question evidence...if you watched the video "pal" the man did issue a challenge. Possibly you are up to the challenge with video instead of attempting to beat people down with your posts.

You claim to be a skeptic. Be a knowledgeable hands on skeptic and prove the man wrong.
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How can you tell that he's running by the camera motion?

By observing the film. But I guess you can watch it for yourself and decide if he was running or sitting on a horse.


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How do you know he wasn't filming when he told Bob to start walking, then jumped off the horse?

According to the original story, the horses became afraid (especially Roger's) so he slid off the horse and ran across the creek to get closer to Patty (as seen in the film). It doesn't match BobH's story.

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" Nor have you or your pal, Old Hickory looked at the past Threads on this Forum"

Pal? It is acceptable to question evidence...if you watched the video "pal" the man did issue a challenge. Possibly you are up to the challenge with video instead of attempting to beat people down with your posts.

You claim to be a skeptic. Be a knowledgeable hands on skeptic and prove the man wrong.
No one is beating you down.. certainly not me. Go back on the threads and you will see this has all been done before. Please do some research on the JREF before you start posting things and pictures that have already been covered.

What brings you to the Forum, my friend ?

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By observing the film. But I guess you can watch it for yourself and decide if he was running or sitting on a horse.





According to the original story, the horses became afraid (especially Roger's) so he slid off the horse and ran across the creek to get closer to Patty (as seen in the film). It doesn't match BobH's story.
Why do you accept Roger's story over Bob's story?
Roger's story is that he fell off the horse and bent a stirrup in the process. He even showed the bent stirrup to people, so why do you think he slid off the horse?
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Professor Jurgen Konczak did an experiment with the Patterson film and he has found that it's not possible for a normal human to replicate the walk seen in the film.
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One facet of pseudoscience is that however solidly something is debunked, IT NEVER GOES AWAY. Not only is this one debunked, but it's EASILY debunked. Even Jeff Meldrum has conceded this ON TV.

http://orgoneresearch.com/2009/10/19...-inhuman-gait/
OS, tube is right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=BTL7sR2E8p4#! from 29:00
This has already been posted several times both here and on the bff. Don't you think you should lurk a little more and post a little less ?
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I've seen the documentary twice. The subject couldn't replicate every aspect of the walk.

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I've seen the documentary twice. The subject couldn't replicate every aspect of the walk.
So you have a better grasp of bipedal locomotion than Meldrum?
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This has all been discussed before. Do you people have something new to add to the topic ?
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This has all been discussed before. Do you people have something new to add to the topic ?
Why is the onus on us? If you're superior to us please lead us.
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Old 20th June 2012, 06:17 PM   #159
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Originally Posted by GT/CS View Post
Why is the onus on us? If you're superior to us please lead us.
I didnt mean you.. I meant the OP !? The 18 yr. old...
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Old 20th June 2012, 06:25 PM   #160
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