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Old 5th January 2021, 09:32 AM   #1
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Control group outperforms mediums in psychic test

"Some volunteers performed above chance. They weren't the psychics. "

https://bigthink.com/surprising-scie...1#rebelltitem1
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Old 5th January 2021, 10:15 AM   #2
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Any random sampling is going to straddle the "chance" benchmark. "Some volunteers" isn't actually notable.

What we're looking for is consistently performing substantially above chance.

My compromise position is that psychic powers are real, but so meaningless as to be indistinguishable from not real.
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Old 5th January 2021, 10:21 AM   #3
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Didn't the Templeton Trust do research into prayers for those undergoing similar operations and those who were prayed for did quire a bit worse than those who weren't.

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Here you go. No difference between the groups but those who were prayed for and knew people were praying for them had more complications than the control group.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-prescription/

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Old 5th January 2021, 01:33 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Mike Helland View Post
"Some volunteers performed above chance. They weren't the psychics. "

https://bigthink.com/surprising-scie...1#rebelltitem1

Well the answer is obvious isn't it?

Those non psychic volunteers did actually have psychic abilities, they didn't know they had.
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Old 5th January 2021, 08:05 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
Well the answer is obvious isn't it?

Those non psychic volunteers did actually have psychic abilities, they didn't know they had.
Study by Peter Venkman.
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Old 5th January 2021, 10:46 PM   #6
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Well, psychic ability is fiction.
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Old 6th January 2021, 07:23 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
Well the answer is obvious isn't it?

Those non psychic volunteers did actually have psychic abilities, they didn't know they had.

You're joking, but I remember at least one person making that argument about Steven Shaw and Michael Edwards after Project Alpha.
"How do they know they're not psychic?"
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Old 6th January 2021, 07:23 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
You're joking, but I remember at least one person making that argument about Steven Shaw and Michael Edwards after Project Alpha.
"How do they know they're not psychic?"
It was used against Randi a few times as well.
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And Houdini...... Some folks thought that he actually “dematerialized” his way out of safes and such.... But didn’t realize it.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
It was used against Randi a few times as well.

Now that I think about it, wasn't one of the things that drove a wedge between Harry Houdini and Arthur Conan Doyle the latter publicly expressing his belief that Houdini possessed supernatural powers?
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Old 6th January 2021, 01:37 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
You're joking, but I remember at least one person making that argument about Steven Shaw and Michael Edwards after Project Alpha.
"How do they know they're not psychic?"

Of course! The woo slingers will grab anything to justify their belief in nonsense.
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:50 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Mike Helland View Post
"Some volunteers performed above chance. They weren't the psychics. "

https://bigthink.com/surprising-scie...1#rebelltitem1
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Old 6th January 2021, 08:58 PM   #13
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Obviously psychic powers only work for people who don't think they have them!
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Originally Posted by Ulf Nereng View Post
Obviously psychic powers only work for people who don't think they have them!
That is an interesting thought. What would the world be like if certain people had an ability, but when they realised they had this ability they lost it?

Like if they could predict the future then these people would win at gambling more often than chance and that is how it could be detected by people looking for it.
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Old 7th January 2021, 06:15 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
That is an interesting thought. What would the world be like if certain people had an ability, but when they realised they had this ability they lost it?

Like if they could predict the future then these people would win at gambling more often than chance and that is how it could be detected by people looking for it.

Spider Robinson wrote a short story called "The Centipede's Dilemma", inspired by the poem and psychological effect of the same name, in which a man with telekinesis loses his abilities when he starts thinking too much about how his power works.
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