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Old 9th June 2019, 03:52 PM   #4041
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Usual insane lies from Sol88. Insane gibberish is insulting our intelligence, not "backing" anyone.

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Old 9th June 2019, 07:59 PM   #4042
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Electric universe said that’s how it happens and NOW you agree.

The Internet also has timestamps.

Electric arcs baby, electric arcs or gigantic lightning bolts, take your pick reality check.
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Electric universe said that’s how it happens and NOW you agree.

The Internet also has timestamps.

Electric arcs baby, electric arcs or gigantic lightning bolts, take your pick reality check.
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Sol88's usual insane lies. I have never agreed with the demented delusions of his cult on comets or the sun or whatever insanity they have on asteroids. I stated a possible mainstream, real physics mechanism for making chondrules in the early solar system.

On the other hand, Sol88's electric universe insanity is a set of demented fantasies. Look up "The Fiery Forge" and we see a deluded Stephen Smith with a demented vision of "Mineral compounds form in electric fires" parroting the even more demented insanity of the documented liar Wal Thornhill (lying abut confirmed predictions for comet since 2015!).

Chondrule: Formation
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Proposed heating mechanisms are:[1]
  • Impacts between molten planeteismals
  • Meteor ablation
  • Hot inner nebula
  • FU Orionis-type outburst of the early sun
  • Energetic bipolar-shaped outflows
  • Nebular lightning
  • Magnetic flares
  • Shock waves in the protoplanetary disk shocks
  • Supernova radiation and shock wave

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A duplicate of Sol88's lies about my post .
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From memory, he may have accidently brought up an alternative mainstream mechanism for making chondrules. The early solar system would have lots of turbulent dust. There is a possibility of friction between dust grains charging then up. There could be lightning with its brief high temperatures and that could create chondrules.
The tell-tale clue to how meteorites were made, at the birth of the solar system is a theory that volcanic eruptions (not Sol88's lie of volcanoes) would release heat in bursts that will melt grains and so make chondrules.
How’s that any different from your ...

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If Sol88 wants to spend the next few decades spewing out the same posts with the same ignorance, lies, insults and delusions, I will keep telling the world how insane the posts are. Starting with the fundamental insanity of years of lying about the electric comet insanity:
Comets are made of actual rock (basalt, etc.) and Sol88 lies about his delusion of "special comet rock".
There is a solar electric field that charges up comets and Sol88 lies about every mention of the term "electric field" everywhere except around the Sun !
Comets are blasted from rocky planets (thus must be made of basalt, etc.) and Sol88 lies by omitting this insanity
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The blasts are from electric discharges between planets and moon and Sol88 lies by omitting this insanity.
Comet surfaces are machined by physically impossible EDM (needs a dielectric fluid) and Sol88 lies by omitting this insanity.
Come jets are electrical discharges and Sol88 has fallen for that obvious insanity !
Insane ignorance about comet coma and Sol88 may share the same insanity.
Insane ignorance about comet tails and Sol88 may share the same insanity.

There could be?

Reckon you are right reality check.

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There could be?
Well, on one hand we have conjectures based on tried-and-true physics, and on the other hand we have new, largely disproved physics.

Yes, for most of us, there is a difference: they are just not equally plausible.
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and I backed you
Good. So you agree with the dating of chondritic meteorites! That is, they were formed ~ 4.57 Ga. Good, we are getting somewhere, at last.
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If you say so, jonesdave116.
I do. Therefore we know that anything containing these chondrules cannot have been blasted off of existing planets, a week ago last Tuesday, by some impossible electric woo.
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Good on ya, knew you were good for something.

You know the formation of the solar system down to the year so...

Electric arcs, forming chondrules but still happy to accept mainstream explanation of getting to close to a volcano...

You special jonesdave116.

Anywhoo glad we got that sorted.




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Good on ya, knew you were good for something.

You know the formation of the solar system down to the year so...

Electric arcs, forming chondrules but still happy to accept mainstream explanation of getting to close to a volcano...

You special jonesdave116.

Anywhoo glad we got that sorted.




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Good on ya, knew you were good for something.

You know the formation of the solar system down to the year so...

Electric arcs, forming chondrules but still happy to accept mainstream explanation of getting to close to a volcano...

You special jonesdave116.

Anywhoo glad we got that sorted.




Cheers.
Doesn't really matter how they were formed - all we need to know is when they were formed. And it wasn't a week ago last Tuesday. It was over 4.5 Ga ago.
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Like I said, if you say so. Do you know how they guesstimate the age?


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I wrote about science, not Sol88's electric comet/sun/universe insanity.
Usual insane lies from Sol88. The science is nebular lightning between charged dust grains releasing heat that melts rock to form chondrules. The electric comet insanity that Sol88 highlights is an imaginary solar electric field. Sol88 highlights his insanity of lying about the electric comet insanity !

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Usual insane gibberish denying the debunking of Sol88's electric comet insanity . That includes the demented idea that comets are asteroids blasted fro rocky planets including recently. Thus Sol88's insanity that active asteroids are actual comets. But we have dated the formation of chondrules to ~4.5 billion years ago.

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Duplicate of Sol88's previous insanity which seem to be happening often lately.
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Sol88's usual insanity. Usual insane ignorance about science. Usual pathetic attempt to derail the thread. Usual insane insults (science does not "guessimate").

For others:
Chondrule (the Wikipedia article Sol88 is insanely ignorant about despite it being linked before!)
Dating the Earliest Solids in our Solar System (2002)

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.

I wrote about science, not Sol88's electric comet/sun/universe insanity.
Usual insane lies from Sol88. The science is nebular lightning between charged dust grains releasing heat that melts rock to form chondrules. The electric comet insanity that Sol88 highlights is an imaginary solar electric field. Sol88 highlights his insanity of lying about the electric comet insanity !

Just happy to see you evolving, reality check.

Nebular lightning!

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.

Sol88's usual insanity. Usual insane ignorance about science. Usual pathetic attempt to derail the thread. Usual insane insults (science does not "guessimate").

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Chondrule (the Wikipedia article Sol88 is insanely ignorant about despite it being linked before!)
Dating the Earliest Solids in our Solar System (2002)
Seems like a good guestimation too me,
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Dating with decay products of short-lived extinct radionuclides


Absolute radiometric dating requires a measurable fraction of parent nucleus to remain in the sample rock. For rocks dating back to the beginning of the solar system, this requires extremely long-lived parent isotopes, making measurement of such rocks' exact ages imprecise. To be able to distinguish the relative ages of rocks from such old material, and to get a better time resolution than that available from long-lived isotopes, short-lived isotopes that are no longer present in the rock can be used.[31]

At the beginning of the solar system, there were several relatively short-lived radionuclides like 26Al, 60Fe, 53Mn, and 129I present within the solar nebula. These radionuclides—possibly produced by the explosion of a supernova—are extinct today, but their decay products can be detected in very old material, such as that which constitutes meteorites. By measuring the decay products of extinct radionuclides with a mass spectrometer and using isochronplots, it is possible to determine relative ages of different events in the early history of the solar system. Dating methods based on extinct radionuclides can also be calibrated with the U-Pb method to give absolute ages. Thus both the approximate age and a high time resolution can be obtained. Generally a shorter half-life leads to a higher time resolution at the expense of timescale.
We also see these Calcium–aluminium-rich inclusion from comets as well.

So, yeah a good guesstimate based on a floored theory.


Still, I’m as happy as a pig in @#$& that both rc and jd116 at least now entertain the idea there is electricity in space AND it can do something.

How big is this nebulous lightning, how much energy?

Enquiring minds would like to know now you let the cat out of the bag.

Now, what we really have to do is get your mindset to evolve as well to accept, considering the above, that comets are mostly rock/dirt/refractory material that may have been born In nebular lightning.
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Now....where did my ‘ol mate Indagator go?

Indicator had a good question
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That statement is completely WRONG! Of course, there's charge separation! The question has never been, "Is there charge separation, Sol88?" The question has ALWAYS been, "What causes charge separation?" You see, science is about precision! Science is about observation! A plasma, being an ionized GAS, already has separated charges! The problem, for you Sol88, is what mechanisms can cause charges to separate enough to violate quasi-neutrality? And then, how are these separated charges important to your religion? Read on ....
I need help understanding Decca’s paper, especially
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We observe a spatial separation of the cometary electrons with respect to the cometary ions, and of the solar wind electrons with respect to the solar wind protons. Cometary electrons eventually end up neutralizing the solar wind protons, and solar wind electrons eventually neutralize the cometary ions.
DOI: 10.1103/PhysRevLett.118.205101

Now I realise from your post that your a beginner here, so are you still prepared to do some learn’n? What is the Debye length Decca’s talking about here Indy?
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Sol88's usual pathetic insanity. Nebular lightning is a decades old scientific theory in the nebular theory of solar system formation.
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Sol88's usual pathetic insanity. Chondrules and calcium–aluminium-rich inclusions debunk Sol88's electric comet insanity.
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Sol88's usual pathetic lies about science (there are no guesstimates).
Sol88 continues with his pathetic emphasis of the electric comet insanity that has no numbers. His cult prophets cannot even do a "guesstimate" !
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Sol88's usual pathetic lies about science. The scientific theory of the formation and evolution of the Solar System is not "floored".

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... both rc and jd116 at least now entertain the idea there is electricity in space AND it can do something.
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.

Sol88's usual pathetic lies about posters. We have been stating that electromagnetism works in space for many years - but not as in Sol88's demented cult's insanity about comets, etc.

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Sol88's usual pathetic derailing into mainstream astronomy from Sol88's electric comet insanity.

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Like I said, if you say so. Do you know how they guesstimate the age?


Why not educate yourself and read the literature? It is measured by various radiometric techniques. There is plenty of literature on it;

Early planetesimal melting from an age of 4.5662 Gyr for differentiated meteorites
Baker, J. et al. (2005)
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Sol88's usual pathetic derailing into mainstream astronomy from Sol88's electric comet insanity.

Sol88's usual pathetic lies about posts. My plan was to provide an ASSIGNMENT update in two PARTS ... cites the Deca (one c !) paper to emphasizes the insanity of Sol88 citing the paper in electric comet theory thread.
Electron and Ion Dynamics of the Solar Wind Interaction with a Weakly Outgassing Comet by Deca et. al. (2017)
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Using a 3D fully kinetic approach, we disentangle and explain the ion and electron dynamics of the solar wind interaction with a weakly outgassing comet. We show that, to first order, the dynamical interaction is representative of a four-fluid coupled system. We self-consistently simulate and identify the origin of the warm and suprathermal electron distributions observed by ESA’s Rosetta mission to comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko and conclude that a detailed kinetic treatment of the electron dynamics is critical to fully capture the complex physics of mass-loading plasmas.
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Cometary nuclei are small, irregularly shaped "icy dirt balls" left over from the dawn of our Solar System 4.6 billion years ago and are composed of a mixture of ices, refractory materials, and large organic molecules. When a comet is sufficiently close to the Sun, the sublimation of ice leads to an outgassing atmosphere and the formation of a coma, and a dust and plasma tail.
This is a mainstream ices and dust paper using physics to match the data that that the Rosetta mission to comet 67P returned. This is fundamental science.

Sol88's electric comet insanity has no physics. Sol88's electric comet insanity has not matched any cometary data in the last 40 or 50 years even when one of the cult's demented prophets has a background as a physicist !

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Sol88's inability to understand "observe a spatial separation" is pathetic.
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Focusing on the electron dynamics next [Figs. 1(b), 1(d), 1(f), and 1(h)], we find that, to first order, the electrons behave as two separate fluids: a solar wind and a cometary electron fluid. We observe a spatial separation of the cometary electrons with respect to the cometary ions, and of the solar wind electrons with respect to the solar wind protons. Cometary electrons eventually end up neutralizing the solar wind protons, and solar wind electrons eventually neutralize the cometary ions.
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This is simply that the authors of Electron and Ion Dynamics of the Solar Wind Interaction with a Weakly Outgassing Comet by Deca et. al. (2017) (PDF) looks at figures and observe a gap! Cometary electrons are grouped differently from cometary ions. Solar wind electrons are grouped differently from solar wind ions. This is what anyone with a brain can see in the figures by looking at the density profile of ions vs electrons, e.g. solar wind protons make a bow shock, solar wind electrons have a dene wraping around the nucleus with a bow shock.

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Old 10th June 2019, 05:22 PM   #4072
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What is the Debye length Decca’s talking about here Indy?
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Sol88's usual insane ignorance - a pathetic derail from Sol88's electric comet insanity.
Electron and Ion Dynamics of the Solar Wind Interaction with a Weakly Outgassing Comet by Deca et. al. (2017) (PDF). Deca does not talk about any Debye length.

Sol88's usual insanity of bringing up the Debye length which is part of what makes Sol88's delusion about double layers insane. The Debye length of the solar wind and comets coma is ~10 meters. Sol88's double layer insanity starts with irrelevant changes in electric fields on scales of thousands of kilometers! The real insanity is the comet coma are turbulent so there canoe be any double layers.

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Old 10th June 2019, 05:49 PM   #4073
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Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.

Sol88's usual insane ignorance - a pathetic derail from Sol88's electric comet insanity.
Electron and Ion Dynamics of the Solar Wind Interaction with a Weakly Outgassing Comet by Deca et. al. (2017) (PDF). Deca does not talk about any Debye length.

Sol88's usual insanity of bringing up the Debye length which is part of what makes Sol88's delusion about double layers insane. The Debye length of the solar wind and comets coma is ~10 meters. Sol88's double layer insanity starts with irrelevant changes in electric fields on scales of thousands of kilometers! The real insanity is the comet coma are turbulent so there canoe be any double layers.
Is the solar wind slowed down and deflected or just deflected, in the vicinity of the comet?





Double Layers can and do form at comets, as Lakkso found.
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Old 10th June 2019, 05:50 PM   #4074
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Why not educate yourself and read the literature? It is measured by various radiometric techniques. There is plenty of literature on it;

Early planetesimal melting from an age of 4.5662 Gyr for differentiated meteorites
Baker, J. et al. (2005)
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature03882
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Absolute radiometric dating requires a measurable fraction of parent nucleus to remain in the sample rock. For rocks dating back to the beginning of the solar system, this requires extremely long-lived parent isotopes, making measurement of such rocks' exact ages imprecise. To be able to distinguish the relative ages of rocks from such old material, and to get a better time resolution than that available from long-lived isotopes, short-lived isotopes that are no longer present in the rock can be used.[31]
So best guess.
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Sol88's pathetic double layer delusion and insane lies about papers (Lakkso found no double layers).
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So best guess.

Nope, not a guess. A physical fact of radioactive decay. Learn to understand, as well as read. Stop cherry-picking pieces from papers that you have no hope of understanding, just to make it fit in with your unscientific, religious beliefs.
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Is the solar wind slowed down and deflected or just deflected, in the vicinity of the comet?





Double Layers can and do form at comets, as Lakkso found.
Nope, Laakso (learn to spell people's names correctly; it makes you look even more incompetent, if that is possible) found no such thing.
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Sol88's pathetic lies about science.
A measurement being imprecise does not make his "best guess". A calculated value of 4.5 billion years +/1 say 0.1 billion years is a date of 4.4 to 4.6 billion years and is not a guess.

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Rosetta’s Ancient Comet

Some reality for Sol88 to go nuts about !
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Rosetta’s Ancient Comet

Some reality for Sol88 to go nuts about !
Well, according to Thornhill, comets are just asteroids on eccentric orbits! And how old are asteroids?

Thermal and impact histories of 25143 Itokawa recorded in Hayabusa particles
Terada, K. et al. (2018)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-30192-4

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Ion microprobe analyses of seven phosphate grains from a single particle provide an isochron age of 4.64 ± 0.18 billion years (1σ).
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