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Old 14th July 2019, 05:19 AM   #4321
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I don’t know.

I also don’t know why the solar wind proton doesn’t capture the solar wind electron and become plain ‘ol hydrogen. Can you tell me why LS?

I thought + &- attract?
So, you don't know?
You don't know why the universe behaves in a way opposite of what your model predicts and yet you have the arrogance to claim that THAT model should be used instead of the model that does not require nature to behave opposite to the observed way?

As for your second question, why should I explain something that is only a problem in the EU 'model'?
Why don't YOU explain how we can observe positive protons and negative electrons moving in the same direction without interacting, when according to the EU model this is impossible?

Because until you manage that, the rest of your comments are completely baseless.
In effect you are arguing whether griffin feather or dragon sinew wands give the best magic, while at the same time admitting you cannot prove magic exists.
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Old 14th July 2019, 05:23 AM   #4322
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I don’t know.

I also don’t know why the solar wind proton doesn’t capture the solar wind electron and become plain ‘ol hydrogen. Can you tell me why LS?

I thought + &- attract?
You will find that has to do with the energetics involved. We are dealing with a collisionless plasma, that is travelling at ~ 400 km/s. Why would they recombine? That is not to say that recombination doesn't happen ever. However, in my (admittedly limited) understanding of the subject, you will need a colder (i.e. slower), denser plasma.
Recombination can and does happen at comets, where the outflowing ions are slowed down and pile up at the diamagnetic cavity boundary. You can go read all about that in the literature.
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Old 14th July 2019, 01:37 PM   #4323
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You will find that has to do with the energetics involved. We are dealing with a collisionless plasma, that is travelling at ~ 400 km/s. Why would they recombine? That is not to say that recombination doesn't happen ever. However, in my (admittedly limited) understanding of the subject, you will need a colder (i.e. slower), denser plasma.
Recombination can and does happen at comets, where the outflowing ions are slowed down and pile up at the diamagnetic cavity boundary. You can go read all about that in the literature.
Brilliant jonesdave116!

See how easy that was LS.

Now you just have to reconcile the acceleration of said collisionless particles.
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Old 14th July 2019, 01:38 PM   #4324
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ROTFLOL

Still asking the wrong question about the corona
Still in the dark about plasma physics

What a pointless thread
Any alternating currents in operation at comets, tusenfem?…


How do the electrons and ions move in an alternating current in quasi neutral space plasma?

Magic?
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Sol88's utter insanity that Jupiter is a comet !

Sol88s usual insults of other posters know that Jupiter is a gas planet !

Sol88's usual insanity about his demented cult whose deluded dogma now includes comets, the Sun, Jupiter and the universe .

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Sol88's usual insane lies about the mainstream comet model which is still valid and supported b over 70 years of data.
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Old 14th July 2019, 02:36 PM   #4326
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The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.

Sol88's usual insane lies about science.
We know what causes the coronal heating - it is just a question of gathering data to see which mechanisms are doing it.

Sol88's demented dogma has the Sun not even existing !

What causes a singularity is in the textbooks that Sol88 and his demented cult are delude about. The mathematical properties of a scientific theory can have singularities, e.g. Coulomb's law says the force between 2 charged particles goes to infinity as their distance goes to zero which is a singularity.

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Sol88 admits to abysmal ignorance about the Sun - not a surprise since he still cannot understand that his demented dogma makes the Sun not exist !
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Sol88's insanity that any new mainstream papers on ices and dust comets will support demented dogma about comets being rock, etc.

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Sol88 writes irrelevant "reconcile the acceleration of said collisionless particles." insanity about the solar wind.
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Sol88's usual insanity of ignoring his demented dogma of comets being rock etc.
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When’s the new papers out, they will fill me in, ay.

Two electron populations and a sheath, I’m excited.
I greatly doubt that, but don't let science stand in the way of your non-existing electric comet idea.
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Old 15th July 2019, 12:42 AM   #4332
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How do the electrons and ions move in an alternating current in quasi neutral space plasma?

Magic?
yes, and you are not a member of the cabal, so I cannot divulge our secrets
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Old 15th July 2019, 01:40 AM   #4333
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Brilliant jonesdave116!

See how easy that was LS.

Now you just have to reconcile the acceleration of said collisionless particles.
I see, and yet you keep refusing to explain your model.

So once again, you EU model predicts something that is the exact opposite of what we observe in nature.

Since explaining is so simple, would you care to explain how that works?
And if you can't explain why that is, can you then explain why you keep clinging to a clearly faulty model?
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yes, and you are not a member of the cabal, so I cannot divulge our secrets
Tap tap tap


Double layers here we come!
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I see, and yet you keep refusing to explain your model.

So once again, you EU model predicts something that is the exact opposite of what we observe in nature.

Since explaining is so simple, would you care to explain how that works?
And if you can't explain why that is, can you then explain why you keep clinging to a clearly faulty model?

Solar wind gently blowing ions and electrons off of the Sun?



Best you stick with the Big Bang sport.
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Solar wind gently blowing ions and electrons off of the Sun?



Best you stick with the Big Bang sport.
Ah, that explains it, you do not accept measured quantities. Yes, if you refuse to accept nature the way it is, then I guess the EU is an acceptable form of magic.

Let me guess, you believe Gingervytes when he claims rockets do not work, which is why we, in your belief system, cannot measure the solar wind?
Or are you part of the 'Every space agency lies because reasons' crowd?
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Solar wind gently blowing ions and electrons off of the Sun?



Best you stick with the Big Bang sport.
And, despite repeated requests, you again fail to give us your mechanism. You don't have one, do you? Is it the idiot Scott's electric field? Somebody needs to explain to that clown that the solar wind is composed of electrons and ions. Opposite charges, see? Electric field sends them in opposite directions. Does that fit with observation? No, it doesn't. So, having disposed of that particular schoolboy error, perhaps Sol88's mechanism can finally see the light of day. Or he could just admit that he doesn't have one.
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Sol88's insanity of double layers yet again !l

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Sol88's usual inane gibberish ignoring his demented dogma about comets and the Sun.
Sol88's usual insane ignorance - the solar wind is ions and electrons being blown off the Sun!

We have valid physics to create the solar wind. Start with the simple fact that hot stuff ejects matter (look at an analogy of steam from boiling water). Thermal energy alone ejects gas, ions and electrons from the Sun. This is then accelerated by unknown mechanisms, e.g. interactions with the even hotter corona.

His demented cult just has an insane obsession with electric fields which cannot produce any solar wind. This is high school physics. Electrons go one way in an electric field. Protons go the opposite way in an electric field.

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And, despite repeated requests, you again fail to give us your mechanism. You don't have one, do you? Is it the idiot Scott's electric field? Somebody needs to explain to that clown that the solar wind is composed of electrons and ions. Opposite charges, see? Electric field sends them in opposite directions. Does that fit with observation? No, it doesn't. So, having disposed of that particular schoolboy error, perhaps Sol88's mechanism can finally see the light of day. Or he could just admit that he doesn't have one.

Bit like a comet not accelerating electrons either, ay me 'ol mate.

you were wrong there too!

Can electrons be accelerated of a comet when ions are as well, jonesdave116?

Last chance before the new papers are out.
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Ah, that explains it, you do not accept measured quantities. Yes, if you refuse to accept nature the way it is, then I guess the EU is an acceptable form of magic.

Let me guess, you believe Gingervytes when he claims rockets do not work, which is why we, in your belief system, cannot measure the solar wind?
Or are you part of the 'Every space agency lies because reasons' crowd?
Measured quantities? like gravitational waves??

Most definitely NOT.

Bunk'em along with bovine excrement, along with fusion POWERING the Sun.

Any alternating currents involved with the Sun?

news flash Jupiter got them. Is Jupiter special?
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Bit like a comet not accelerating electrons either, ay me 'ol mate.

you were wrong there too!

Can electrons be accelerated of a comet when ions are as well, jonesdave116?

Last chance before the new papers are out.
No, I was not wrong. You were. Remember? You wanted an ambipolar field that is accelerating ions to also accelerate electrons! Duh! Which just goes to show that you have no idea about the relevant science. You want papers on ion and electron acceleration? I'm sure I could probably dig up something from Halley, or that sort of time period. You have still not got a single thing right about comets. You still do not have a mechanism. Nor evidence. Nor science. All a bit sad, really. And pathetic.
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Measured quantities? like gravitational waves??

Most definitely NOT.

Bunk'em along with bovine excrement, along with fusion POWERING the Sun.

Any alternating currents involved with the Sun?

news flash Jupiter got them. Is Jupiter special?
Gravitational waves are observed. Tough luck. Fusion is observed. Tough luck. And what the hell have currents got to do with the Sun? Or Jupiter? Nothing to do with EU garbage. Currents don't explain neutrinos, for the hard of thinking. Nor do they explain the solar wind. So if you've got a point (unlikely) then explain the science of it in detail. Otherwise it is just more of the same insane word salad that we expect from you.
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Measured quantities? like gravitational waves??

Most definitely NOT.

Bunk'em along with bovine excrement, along with fusion POWERING the Sun.

Any alternating currents involved with the Sun?

news flash Jupiter got them. Is Jupiter special?
Not the equally measured quantities I was talking about, but then you know that because you seek to avoid answering the actual question as that would force you to admit that the very basis of your so-called model is wrong.

And your modus operandi when you reach that point is to flail at anything else you do not understand in the hope it can distract.

We see electrons and protons leaving the sun.
We see the moving with the same acceleration in the same direction.
Your model predicts that this would not happen.
Therefore the entire basis for EU is wrong, and there is no need to focus on minutiae.

That fact that you try to hide this simple fact under mountains of excrement does not change that fact.
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Gravitational waves are observed. Tough luck. Fusion is observed. Tough luck. And what the hell have currents got to do with the Sun? Or Jupiter? Nothing to do with EU garbage. Currents don't explain neutrinos, for the hard of thinking. Nor do they explain the solar wind. So if you've got a point (unlikely) then explain the science of it in detail. Otherwise it is just more of the same insane word salad that we expect from you.

Long as you believe it.
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Not the equally measured quantities I was talking about, but then you know that because you seek to avoid answering the actual question as that would force you to admit that the very basis of your so-called model is wrong.

And your modus operandi when you reach that point is to flail at anything else you do not understand in the hope it can distract.

We see electrons and protons leaving the sun.
We see the moving with the same acceleration in the same direction.
Your model predicts that this would not happen.
Therefore the entire basis for EU is wrong, and there is no need to focus on minutiae.

That fact that you try to hide this simple fact under mountains of excrement does not change that fact.

Yeah, maybe.

But I’m still sticking to comets are charged rocks discharging in the solar plasma.

Simple.

After all our understanding is evolving

Couple papers on the horizon that WILL freshen the thread up a little.

Mainstream discovering the importance dominance of plasma.

Happy days for the EU.
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Yeah, maybe.

But I’m still sticking to comets are charged rocks discharging in the solar plasma.

Simple.

After all our understanding is evolving

Couple papers on the horizon that WILL freshen the thread up a little.

Mainstream discovering the importance dominance of plasma.

Happy days for the EU.
Hence your belief in magic again.


Enjoy hoping, but it's good that you at least acknowledge that nature does not fit the EU model.
The next step is admitting that a model that does not model nature is wrong, but maybe you will get there eventually.
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Sol88's usual insane lies about science ignoring his demented comet dogma.

Sol88's new insanity that the Sun and Jupiter are the same !

Gravitation waves are measured quantities - we have measured gravitation waves in several detectors many times !

The Sun is powered by fusion. Any ball of gas the mass and size of the Sun will have conditions at the core where fusion will happen. We have detected the neutrinos from that fusion. We have detected the neutrinos fro the p-p reaction hat is the basis of tat fusion.
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Hence your belief in magic again.


Enjoy hoping, but it's good that you at least acknowledge that nature does not fit the EU model.
The next step is admitting that a model that does not model nature is wrong, but maybe you will get there eventually.
Cheers, see how we go.

One of will end up with egg on their face.

Good luck... with your mathamagiks.
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.

Sol88's usual insanity of ignoring his demented comet dogma.
Sol88's usual insanity that real world, working science is "mathamagiks".

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Old 16th July 2019, 04:57 PM   #4352
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Yeah, maybe.

But I’m still sticking to comets are charged rocks discharging in the solar plasma.

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Happy days for the EU.
Happy with a 100% failure? Brilliant. No rock, no discharges, no solar plasma for long periods. Complete failure. Next.
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Cheers, see how we go.

One of will end up with egg on their face.

Good luck... with your mathamagiks.
Already happened. Your model failed 100%. The egg is squarely on your face. Nothing can save it now. No EDM (lol), no discharges, no rock. Zilch. Go get cleaned up.
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Long as you believe it.
You think I'm the only person that believes it? Lol. Stop being dim. Nobody that matters disagrees with it. If you think otherwise, then link to their papers. I want to see the 'science'. Forget about unqualified clowns like Thornhill. Real scientists, with real qualifications. That don't believe Earth used to orbit Saturn.
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Good luck... with your mathamagiks.
Oh, and there we go again - another innumerate EU mythologist, who is so ignorant of maths that it appears to be magic to him! Sad. Why do these clueless Velikovskians seem, almost without fail, to be clueless at maths? I guess it's a pre-requisite when your religion is built on physics defying impossibilities. Still, it does seem to be a common thread with these cultists.
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You think I'm the only person that believes it? Lol. Stop being dim. Nobody that matters disagrees with it. If you think otherwise, then link to their papers. I want to see the 'science'. Forget about unqualified clowns like Thornhill. Real scientists, with real qualifications. That don't believe Earth used to orbit Saturn.
On their way champ!
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On their way champ!
No they are not. Stop lying. Gravitational waves are an observed fact. As is solar fusion. Nobody is going to be writing papers challenging that.
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On their way champ!
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.

Sol88 promises even more insanity .

Sol88's new insanity about gravitational waves not being detected and stars not being powered by fusion. There will be no published scientific papers that state that textbook physics is so wrong that gravitational waves and stellar fusion do not exist.

There was a paper casting doubt on the first detection of gravitational waves by unexplained correlations in the “noise” picked up by LIGO’s twin detectors. That claim was found to be wrong (basically the researchers used a too simplistic statistical methodology). New Studies Rescue Gravitational-Wave Signal From the Noise

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So, you don't know?
You don't know why the universe behaves in a way opposite of what your model predicts and yet you have the arrogance to claim that THAT model should be used instead of the model that does not require nature to behave opposite to the observed way?

As for your second question, why should I explain something that is only a problem in the EU 'model'?
Why don't YOU explain how we can observe positive protons and negative electrons moving in the same direction without interacting, when according to the EU model this is impossible?

Because until you manage that, the rest of your comments are completely baseless.
In effect you are arguing whether griffin feather or dragon sinew wands give the best magic, while at the same time admitting you cannot prove magic exists.

Wonder if mainstream can explain it???

Researchers recreate the sun's solar wind and plasma 'burps' on Earth


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A new study by University of Wisconsin-Madison physicists mimicked solar winds in the lab, confirming how they develop and providing an Earth-bound model for the future study of solar physics.
Wonder if they got the electrons and ions all moving in the same direction?

Otherwise another SAFIRE experiment.

Oh poor mainstream... did they use thermonuclear reactions I wonder??? Nope good ‘ol ELECTRICITY. where is the power point on the Sun?

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]The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.

Sol88 promises even more insanity . and of course delivers deluded insanity !

This is a thread about Sol88's demented electric comet and Sun, not mainstream science. Sol88's demented electric comet and Sun are a collection of insane fantasies that for example destroy the Sun ! They explain nothing about comets or the Sun. They are an example of how some people can become so insane that they will believe anything rather than rational science.

Sol88's usual insane lies - the research he linked to is part of the mainstream explaining solar activity !

Researchers recreate the sun's solar wind and plasma 'burps' on Earth
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A new study by University of Wisconsin-Madison physicists mimicked solar winds in the lab, confirming how they develop and providing an Earth-bound model for the future study of solar physics.
Sol88's usual insane lies - the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun with a metal ball for the Sun has nothing to do with this real Sun or science. Over 5 years running now and the demented SAFIRE experiment has no published results about the Sun. Compare this to real science:
A laboratory model for the Parker spiral and magnetized stellar winds
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Many rotating stars have magnetic fields that interact with the winds they produce. The Sun is no exception. The interaction between the Sun’s magnetic field and the solar wind gives rise to the heliospheric magnetic field—a spiralling magnetic structure, known as the Parker spiral, which pervades the Solar System. This magnetic field is critical for governing plasma processes that source the solar wind. Here, we report the creation of a laboratory model of the Parker spiral system based on a rapidly rotating plasma magnetosphere and the measurement of its global structure and dynamic behaviour. This laboratory system exhibits regions where the plasma flows evolve in a similar manner to many magnetized stellar winds. We observe the advection of the magnetic field into an Archimedean spiral and the ejection of quasi-periodic plasma blobs into the stellar outflow, which mimics the observed plasmoids that fuel the slow solar wind. This process involves magnetic reconnection and can be modelled numerically by the inclusion of two-fluid effects in the simulation. The Parker spiral system mimicked in the laboratory can be used for studying solar wind dynamics in a complementary fashion to conventional space missions such as NASA’s Parker Solar Probe mission.

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