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Old 3rd September 2020, 06:36 PM   #2761
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Since when is Abbott an expert in trade? What trade deals did he personally negotiate?
Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Dunno. He's been Minister for Employment and for Health, but never Trade or Foreign Affaries or anything implying having direct experience with international relations as far as I can tell.
I think it is worth looking these things up. You are right. Never trade minister. Reading further the article does not mention any trade agreements made while he was PM. He lasted less than one term as PM.

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After the 1998 election, Abbott was appointed Minister for Employment Services in the Second Howard Ministry. He was promoted to cabinet in 2001 as Minister for Employment, Workplace Relations and Small Business. In 2003, Abbott became Minister for Health and Ageing, retaining this position until the defeat of the Howard Government at the 2007 election.
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Old 3rd September 2020, 06:40 PM   #2762
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Since when is Abbott an expert in trade? What trade deals did he personally negotiate?

He traded giving Prince Phillip a Knighthood for a less stressful job.


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As far as I can tell, Tones' method of trade negotiations has always been to "punch them in the head a couple of times". Possibly quite literally - he has a boxing blue from Oxford (or was that Cambridge...never mind, I don't really care). Anyway, if that is what the UK government calls "expertise" then I suspect they are awfully unaware of what expertise actually entails, for trade deals or anything else.
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As far as I can tell, Tones' method of trade negotiations has always been to "punch them in the head a couple of times". Possibly quite literally - he has a boxing blue from Oxford (or was that Cambridge...never mind, I don't really care). Anyway, if that is what the UK government calls "expertise" then I suspect they are awfully unaware of what expertise actually entails, for trade deals or anything else.
I think I said this earlier in this thread, watch Abbott during Gillard's misogyny speech. He could barely stop himself from jumping up and king hitting her. The anger and hatred in his stare has been seen from him before, notably when he was standing over a reporter refusing to answer a question, glowering and threatening. I'll try to find a video.

ETA. Here it is, 35 seconds in. How did such a hate filled clown last for 2 minutes as PM, let alone 2 years?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wT9XS_TvzQ
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Old 3rd September 2020, 09:21 PM   #2765
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
I think I said this earlier in this thread, watch Abbott during Gillard's misogyny speech. He could barely stop himself from jumping up and king hitting her. The anger and hatred in his stare has been seen from him before, notably when he was standing over a reporter refusing to answer a question, glowering and threatening. I'll try to find a video.
Don't bother. I know the type and I've seen him. I've long said he has taken a few too many belts to the noggin in uni, and now he has a couple of bolts loose upstairs. He's a vindictive and nasty personality.
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Old 3rd September 2020, 10:57 PM   #2766
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Don't bother. I know the type and I've seen him. I've long said he has taken a few too many belts to the noggin in uni, and now he has a couple of bolts loose upstairs. He's a vindictive and nasty personality.
Apparently they gave him the blue out of sympathy.

I've read write-ups of his boxing, and I recall statements like: "Wild punching and windmilling like a drunkard."

During the time that he was being promoted as a "Rhodes Scholar" I took great delight in pointing out that you have to be a 'jock' to get one.

(Bob Hawke for example got his scholarship because he was a cricketer.)
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Borders to open by Christmas?

The state Premiers and Scumo have agreed in principle to open their borders by Christmas. A key sticking point will be the definition of a "hot spot".

However, WA will not be joining them.
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WA Premier Mark McGowan, who has an election in March next year, said his state did not need to be physically reconnected with the rest of the country any time soon.

"WA is not currently in a recession,'' he said.

"WA does not have border communities so we don't face the associated social disruption seen on the eastern coast."

As expected, Scumo hasn't got the guts to take on the WA Premier. He did his party enough damage when he joined Clive Palmer in his High Court challenge over the hard border and he can't afford to lose WA seats at the next election.
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Mr Morrison agreed with the points and said the door was open whenever WA decided to reconsider.
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The outcome was better than expected, but Mr Morrison said it required the national cabinet to abandon its requirement for a consensus on key decisions because WA refused to sign up.

"Not everyone has to get on the bus for the bus to leave the station. But it is important the bus leaves the station, and we all agree on that," he said.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0200904-p55sbi
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Old 4th September 2020, 08:59 PM   #2768
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Abbott gets the job

Boris Johnson has brushed aside criticism of Tony Abbott and appointed him as an adviser to the UK's Board of Trade.
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Just before the announcement Prime Minister Boris Johnson said while he did not agree with "sentiments" Mr Abbott had expressed in the past, he supported him becoming a trade envoy for the UK.

"What I would say about Tony Abbott... this is a guy who was elected by the people of the great liberal, democratic nation of Australia," Mr Johnson said.

"It's an amazing country, it's a freedom-loving country, it's a liberal country — there you go, I think that speaks for itself."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-...hnson/12632476

Clearly Johnson has selective memory. He conveniently forgets that Abbott was not only unceremoniously dumped as PM but lost his seat at the last election when the Liberals increased their majority.

Like the man said, "He's all yours, Boris!"
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Old 4th September 2020, 09:44 PM   #2769
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Boris Johnson has brushed aside criticism of Tony Abbott and appointed him as an adviser to the UK's Board of Trade.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-...hnson/12632476

Clearly Johnson has selective memory. He conveniently forgets that Abbott was not only unceremoniously dumped as PM but lost his seat at the last election when the Liberals increased their majority.

Like the man said, "He's all yours, Boris!"
Incredible.

I will bet my house that Abbott will do what he can to undermine Australia’s current trade agreements. He will see it as his ultimate revenge. It will, of course, be an act of treachery.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Incredible.

I will bet my house that Abbott will do what he can to undermine Australia’s current trade agreements. He will see it as his ultimate revenge. It will, of course, be an act of treachery.
I wonder how influential the group he will belong to is? It could be a group where they are given an opinion and told to endorse and promote it. If they fail to do so they are sacked.

To put it another way, why are they not paid?
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And it seems that the NSW National Party is so determined to not protect koala habitat that they've broken the government.

Koala bill causes NSW Government crisis as John Barilaro says Nationals will effectively leave Coalition

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The NSW Government is in turmoil after Deputy Premier and Nationals leader John Barilaro said his party would no longer support its legislation in Parliament.

In the latest explosive development in a Coalition spat about koala policy, Mr Barilaro announced all Nationals MPs would move to the cross bench.

However, he confirmed Nationals ministers would not surrender their portfolios.

The Coalition agreement has been under pressure after Nationals MPs expressed anger over proposed planning regulations that would give farmers responsibility for managing koalas on their properties.

Mr Barilaro said his MPs had been liaising with Liberal colleagues about the policy since late last year and that if the Nationals did not take a stand, they "would become the laughing stock of regional and rural NSW".

He said Nationals MPs were "all concerned about where, after six months of hard work, putting forward in my mind sensible amendments to the SEPP [State Environmental Planning Policy], that we felt that we were now being betrayed".
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And OMG did Dutton really just say this?

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I mean there needs to be an application of common sense and compassion here and both of those ingredients are missing at the moment from Premier Palaszczuk’s approach.

There are families who are just being treated like criminals and it’s unacceptable and at the same time you’ve got exemptions for sporting people and for business people etc, that don’t have to do the quarantine or do the quarantine in a less onerous way. Just the inconsistency of the approach and the way in which they’re applying these rules to some people, but not to others, just goes against our grain and people are right to be angry and it needs to stop.

The Premier needs to intervene in these cases. I’m sure the police are pulling their hair out having to implement these stupid rules that are dictated to them by health officials that are sitting in rooms that, you know, we’ll never know the names of, or never know who they are – these faceless bureaucrats – and making these decisions that are negatively impacting on people’s lives and scarring people at a time when we should be helping them, not hurting them.
Dutton. Peter Dutton. Just said that.

Source - you guessed it
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And OMG did Dutton really just say this?



Dutton. Peter Dutton. Just said that.

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He stopped just short of calling her a bully, which would have been hilarious. Palaszczuk just needs to take a leaf from Dan Andrew's book and dismiss Dutton and Morrison as irrelevant to the job she is doing. It will only give her more votes at her upcoming election.
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Dutton. Peter Dutton. Just said that.
That's mashed up!
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And it seems that the NSW National Party is so determined to not protect koala habitat that they've broken the government.

Koala bill causes NSW Government crisis as John Barilaro says Nationals will effectively leave Coalition
The Coalition just can't help itself. The Libs should have turfed the agrarian socialists long ago. Preferential voting would have delivered them government without the need for a coalition in almost all cases in the past few decades.

Instead of being compromised and weakened by a bill designed to protect endangered koalas, as they are now, they could have said to the one or two country independents "yeah, noted thanks". Now they have to come up with a way of allowing farmers to cut down trees housing koalas simply to avoid an election.

Mind you, Berejiklian will be easily re-elected, so I suppose a new election wouldn't worry her.
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The Coalition just can't help itself. The Libs should have turfed the agrarian socialists long ago. Preferential voting would have delivered them government without the need for a coalition in almost all cases in the past few decades.

Instead of being compromised and weakened by a bill designed to protect endangered koalas, as they are now, they could have said to the one or two country independents "yeah, noted thanks". Now they have to come up with a way of allowing farmers to cut down trees housing koalas simply to avoid an election.

Mind you, Berejiklian will be easily re-elected, so I suppose a new election wouldn't worry her.
They can cut them down as long as they are forced to publicly cook and eat any koalas they disinhabit.
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They can cut them down as long as they are forced to publicly cook and eat any koalas they disinhabit.
To be turned into a competition a la Masterchef by Channel 10......
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...And now the koala bill is being referred to as the Blinky Bill.

Because of course it is.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
And OMG did Dutton really just say this?



Dutton. Peter Dutton. Just said that.

Source - you guessed it
I assume he was really talking about refugees that are trying to come into Australia? He would only be pretending to be talking about Victoria. That would be why my jaw is on the floor, while the rest of my face is a meter or so above the floor. Ditto to heaps of other people who have read or heard his comments.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
...And now the koala bill is being referred to as the Blinky Bill.

Because of course it is.
Well in this vale of tears, this gave me a genuine laugh.

Reminds me of this.

http://www3.slv.vic.gov.au/latrobejo...e-65-053a.html

ETA this cartoon was published during the height of the Great Depression.
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Preferential voting would have delivered them government without the need for a coalition in almost all cases in the past few decades.
Er ... doesn't the NSW parliament have preferential voting now?
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Er ... doesn't the NSW parliament have preferential voting now?
Yes. And without a coalition where do you think NP preferences would flow? To a Conservative party for sure. And if that Conservative party doesn’t get up etc, etc it will eventually flow to the Libs. Do you disagree?
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Yes. And without a coalition where do you think NP preferences would flow? To a Conservative party for sure. And if that Conservative party doesn’t get up etc, etc it will eventually flow to the Libs. Do you disagree?
That doesn't make sense. It is at odds with your claim that a lack of preferential voting has made a coalition necessary.

Under preferential voting, a coalition has almost always been necessary. The lack of a coalition would not change the votes at an election. The NP tends to fare better than other minority parties because it has better than average support in rural electorates.
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Reminds me of this.

http://www3.slv.vic.gov.au/latrobejo...e-65-053a.html

ETA this cartoon was published during the height of the Great Depression.
Yep, a classic. Smith's Weekly. Drawn by Stan Cross, I think.
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The NSW Nationals backed down, BTW. Seems like Gladys gave them one heck of a tongue-lashing last night.
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The NSW Nationals backed down, BTW. Seems like Gladys gave them one heck of a tongue-lashing last night.
It was the loss of ministerial status (and pay, of course) which led to the backdown. The Nats were on a hiding to nothing. Try to stay on the crossbench over a stupid issue and force an election where they would be punished, or roll over and look weak. They chose the better of two bad options.
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It was the loss of ministerial status (and pay, of course) which led to the backdown. The Nats were on a hiding to nothing. Try to stay on the crossbench over a stupid issue and force an election where they would be punished, or roll over and look weak. They chose the better of two bad options.
They would have done best not to put themselves in that position in the first place. And of course, Barnaby has been going off at the mouth over all this as well.

Since I quite like Wil Wheaton and recognise that he is not his character, I don't like using the phrase "shut up Westley". But I'm very comfortable saying "shut up, Barnaby".
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...And now the koala bill is being referred to as the Blinky Bill.

Because of course it is.
To be fair, that is funny.

And has taken me back more than 35 years to the brief time I spent in Australia as a 4 year old. Thanks.
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To be fair, that is funny.

And has taken me back more than 35 years to the brief time I spent in Australia as a 4 year old. Thanks.
You are the same age as my eldest son and I do remember reading Blinky Bill to him at about 4. I think all our kids had a taste of Blinky growing up, either through the books or the very cute cartoons.
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They would have done best not to put themselves in that position in the first place. And of course, Barnaby has been going off at the mouth over all this as well.

Since I quite like Wil Wheaton and recognise that he is not his character, I don't like using the phrase "shut up Westley". But I'm very comfortable saying "shut up, Barnaby".
It is a trial of strength the Nationals often win. Now the Liberals know they are the strong ones and will throw their weight around.
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
It is a trial of strength the Nationals often win. Now the Liberals know they are the strong ones and will throw their weight around.
I think it was more that the Nats realised that it was s dumb hill to die on.
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Old 22nd September 2020, 11:40 PM   #2792
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Australia will get faster NBN, just like the Labor Party promised. Or maybe one not quite so good. Only 10 years later. At least it will be up to 20 times faster than the current speeds.
Arthwollipot would say from the usual source. Coalition to announce $3.5bn NBN upgrade to roll out fibre 'deeper and closer to homes'

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Fletcher will announce NBN Co is set to borrow $3.5bn from private debt markets to fund a range of upgrades to the existing network architecture, including “taking fibre deeper into neighbourhoods serviced by fibre to the node (FTTN) technology” to deliver speeds of up to 1Gbps.
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And in other news...

Judge accuses Immigration Minister Alan Tudge of criminal conduct in immigration case

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A Federal Court judge has labelled a Federal Cabinet Minister's behaviour as "criminal" after he left a Hazara Afghan man languishing in an immigration detention centre despite a tribunal ordering he be granted a visa.

The scathing critique of Acting Immigration Minister Alan Tudge is the latest in a number of judgments on the issue from Justice Geoffrey Flick, who has also taken aim at Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton's handling of visa matters in recent months.

Justice Flick said Mr Tudge had "intentionally and without lawful authority been responsible for depriving a person of his liberty", and his "conduct exposes him to both civil and potentially criminal sanctions, not limited to a proceeding for contempt".
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Ever wondered what Fraser Anning is doing these days?

https://twitter.com/evgenymorozov/st...87615005114368
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He’s just a plain racist but economic nationalism could be the class consciousness wake up that will unite people against the major parties who have been selling out or jobs, wages and working conditions.
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Tony Abbott says Victoria's coronavirus lockdown is the most severe tried in the world outside Wuhan. Is he correct?

tl;dr no.
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Well, good to see that Abbott hasn't dumped his life long practice of not telling the truth.

What is pissing me off with the Tories at the moment is the talk of conscripting unemployed people to fruit picking. Curious that this happened when the Jobseeker payment is being cut.

https://theconversation.com/if-jobse...ot-true-145951

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A labour hire firm recently complained people weren’t taking up their offer of “at least $500 per week” to pick strawberries.

$500 is two-thirds of the minimum wage.

It’s not just the pay that discourages people from taking up crop picking: they need to be fit and able to travel for what’s often a short period of paid work.
What is not said in this report is that as real, long-term jobs start to come back, particularly in Victoria, as restrictions ease, where, if this fruit picking proposal comes about, will candidates be? In the bush. Which will then lead to Tory politicians and "captains of industry" bleating "where are these co-called unemployed?"

Of course, I might change my mind about all of this if Scotch College, Riverview and so on encourage their students to head up the bush for a bit of character-building fruit picking when the long holidays soon commence...….
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What is not said in this report is that as real, long-term jobs start to come back, particularly in Victoria, as restrictions ease, where, if this fruit picking proposal comes about, will candidates be? In the bush.
Not the real problem.

Although the report notes that "The problem isn’t the effective doubling of JobSeeker, it’s the sudden-death cut off of the top-up as soon as the last dollar of Jobseeker expires" it fails to point out that when you add the cost of travel and accommodation to these remote areas, workers would be financially worse of than if they stayed home and just collected the job seeker allowance.

This corona crisis has highlighted how soft the farmers have had it in the past with the availability of cheap imported labour. It is high time that this practice was stamped out and regional growers were subjected to minimum wage laws.
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Not the real problem.

Although the report notes that "The problem isn’t the effective doubling of JobSeeker, it’s the sudden-death cut off of the top-up as soon as the last dollar of Jobseeker expires" it fails to point out that when you add the cost of travel and accommodation to these remote areas, workers would be financially worse of than if they stayed home and just collected the job seeker allowance.

This corona crisis has highlighted how soft the farmers have had it in the past with the availability of cheap imported labour. It is high time that this practice was stamped out and regional growers were subjected to minimum wage laws.
Agreed. I get that farmers have to compete with the rest of the world, but like you I think they are relying on third world practices and third world wages to compete, and this is not sustainable.
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