Wish me luck :)

Lukraak_Sisser · 28th April 2022, 08:52 AM

For the past two years I've had random crashes with my computer, probably related to my GFX card, but possibly the motherboard or memory.
I've not been able to pin it down nor fix, but the issue was minor enough (about 1 crash/day) that I stuck it out.

Finally had enough of it, but my drives are still ok.
So I bought a new motherboard, processor, memory, GFX card and powersupply.
Today the last bits arrived, so now I've got to put it together and switch my harddrives.

If all goes well windows should just detect the change and after some updates everything should still work fine.....

I'll update if things actually work.

plague311 · 28th April 2022, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

For the past two years I've had random crashes with my computer, probably related to my GFX card, but possibly the motherboard or memory.
I've not been able to pin it down nor fix, but the issue was minor enough (about 1 crash/day) that I stuck it out.

Finally had enough of it, but my drives are still ok.
So I bought a new motherboard, processor, memory, GFX card and powersupply.
Today the last bits arrived, so now I've got to put it together and switch my harddrives.

If all goes well windows should just detect the change and after some updates everything should still work fine.....

I'll update if things actually work.

Rock on!

DallasDad · 28th April 2022, 09:12 AM

I had to do exactly the same thing a couple of weeks ago. Went just fine.

Hellbound · 28th April 2022, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

For the past two years I've had random crashes with my computer, probably related to my GFX card, but possibly the motherboard or memory.
I've not been able to pin it down nor fix, but the issue was minor enough (about 1 crash/day) that I stuck it out.

Finally had enough of it, but my drives are still ok.
So I bought a new motherboard, processor, memory, GFX card and powersupply.
Today the last bits arrived, so now I've got to put it together and switch my harddrives.

If all goes well windows should just detect the change and after some updates everything should still work fine.....

I'll update if things actually work.

It should go fine. Alternatively, you could run sysprep on it before changing out hardware. That generalizes the image, removing things like specific drivers and such. Might make for a smoother transition,

Sent from my volcanic island lair using carrier pigeon.

Lukraak_Sisser · 28th April 2022, 12:48 PM

Hmm once I turn it on everything seems to work except the CPU fail light lights up on the motherboard.

That's a bad thing right??

I re inserted it. I think its in the right way. So off to a repairshop tomorrow as I cant check if the CPU was faulty when it arrived or not.

I resent I needed reading glasses way too often to find key letters

a_unique_person · 28th April 2022, 04:38 PM

That's not good. I'm sorry I only just read this and didn't wish you luck in time. That's my bad.

Mongrel · 29th April 2022, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

Hmm once I turn it on everything seems to work except the CPU fail light lights up on the motherboard.

That's a bad thing right??

I re inserted it. I think its in the right way. So off to a repairshop tomorrow as I cant check if the CPU was faulty when it arrived or not.

I resent I needed reading glasses way too often to find key letters

What CPU did you have and which Motherboard?
AMD has tried to make their mobo chipsets as backwards compatible as possible, unfortunately that means that an older board may need a BIOS upgrade if you're using a newer processor. The manufacturers website should have the comparability details

Some boards have a specific USB socket that can run the update automatically, check your motherboard manual for details, many though rely on having an older generation processor installed to get to the UEFI BIOS

qarnos · 29th April 2022, 03:07 AM

I believe this is in order:

Lukraak_Sisser · 29th April 2022, 05:07 AM

Yeah.

So, the IT shop fixed it.

By turning it on and off again.

Me re-insering the CPU, all the memory etc and re-starting it 20 times was not good enough.

I should learn to do votive offerings to the machine god.

malbui · 29th April 2022, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

Yeah.

So, the IT shop fixed it.

By turning it on and off again.

Me re-insering the CPU, all the memory etc and re-starting it 20 times was not good enough.

I should learn to do votive offerings to the machine god.

A couple of weeks ago I added two 8 gig sticks of memory to my FIL's old desktop PC which only had 4 gigs before. I've done this kind of thing a million times so I wasn't surprised that it kept giving me boot errors, even before getting to a point where the new memory configuration was recognised. After many many manipulations I went downstairs for coffee and Easter eggs, which did the trick. Went back up, reset the sticks one by one and all has been fine ever since.

Mongrel · 29th April 2022, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

I should learn to do votive offerings to the machine god.

I've always found that when I cut myself on the case somewhere it seems to go a lot smoother at the end

plague311 · 29th April 2022, 07:35 AM

If you're not sacrificing some kind of small animal at the beginning of any and all upgrades then you're just not going to get it done smoothly. You must pay the blood toll.

welshdean · 29th April 2022, 09:00 AM

I just offer a little prayer to the 'god of the blue smoke'.

CORed · 29th April 2022, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by welshdean

I just offer a little prayer to the 'god of the blue smoke'.

The 'god of the blue smoke' demands that random components be periodically sacrificed to return the sacred blue smoke to him.

Beelzebuddy · 3rd May 2022, 11:18 AM

If it keeps happening when you get it back home, check your power supply/UPS wattage. Supposedly components these days use the listed power as a general max guideline, not a hard cap, and intel CPUs especially can peak at several multiples of their listed rating.

Wudang · 3rd May 2022, 01:40 PM

Reminds me of the old ~~jokes~~ sound technical advice about SCSI chains

Quote:

"Getting a SCSI chain working is perfectly simple if you remember that there must be exactly three terminations: one on one end of the cable, one on the far end, and the goat, terminated over the SCSI chain with a silver-handled knife whilst burning *black* candles."

commandlinegamer · 3rd May 2022, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy

If it keeps happening when you get it back home, check your power supply/UPS wattage. Supposedly components these days use the listed power as a general max guideline, not a hard cap, and intel CPUs especially can peak at several multiples of their listed rating.

I still have nightmares* about Prescott processors.

* - I don't, but they were a pain in the arse.

eerok · 3rd May 2022, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by malbui

A couple of weeks ago I added two 8 gig sticks of memory to my FIL's old desktop PC which only had 4 gigs before. I've done this kind of thing a million times so I wasn't surprised that it kept giving me boot errors, even before getting to a point where the new memory configuration was recognised. After many many manipulations I went downstairs for coffee and Easter eggs, which did the trick. Went back up, reset the sticks one by one and all has been fine ever since.

I don't get improperly-seated RAM anymore because I just assume I get it wrong the first time, and triple-check it. It's also easy to fail to seat the GPU -- they're so bulky these days, it's hard to see what you're doing.

It's always fun when you power on and fail the first POST, but I've found this is what happens most of the time these days. It takes another try or maybe two for some reason. Just the tech showing who's boss.

a_unique_person · 4th May 2022, 01:08 AM

I tried to force the ram in the wrong way once and fried my new motherboard.

catsmate · 4th May 2022, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

Yeah.

So, the IT shop fixed it.

By turning it on and off again.

Me re-insering the CPU, all the memory etc and re-starting it 20 times was not good enough.

I should learn to do votive offerings to the machine god.

You didn't power-cycle it in the proper technical way.

Originally Posted by Mongrel

I've always found that when I cut myself on the case somewhere it seems to go a lot smoother at the end

True, in Ye Olde Days sharp edged metal flanges were provided in the case for this purpose.

catsmate · 4th May 2022, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by Wudang

Reminds me of the old ~~jokes~~ sound technical advice about SCSI chains

Passive, Active or Forced Perfect termination?

catsmate · 4th May 2022, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

I tried to force the ram in the wrong way once and fried my new motherboard.

A little OT but years ago I saw a sales person set a new record for shortest time between getting new notebook and RTMing new notebook.
He attempted to insert his PS/2 mouse into the S-video DIM socket. Well they look the same....

28th April 2022, 08:52 AM	#1
Lukraak_Sisser Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,529	Wish me luck :) For the past two years I've had random crashes with my computer, probably related to my GFX card, but possibly the motherboard or memory. I've not been able to pin it down nor fix, but the issue was minor enough (about 1 crash/day) that I stuck it out. Finally had enough of it, but my drives are still ok. So I bought a new motherboard, processor, memory, GFX card and powersupply. Today the last bits arrived, so now I've got to put it together and switch my harddrives. If all goes well windows should just detect the change and after some updates everything should still work fine..... I'll update if things actually work.

28th April 2022, 09:00 AM	#2
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 12,716	Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser For the past two years I've had random crashes with my computer, probably related to my GFX card, but possibly the motherboard or memory. I've not been able to pin it down nor fix, but the issue was minor enough (about 1 crash/day) that I stuck it out. Finally had enough of it, but my drives are still ok. So I bought a new motherboard, processor, memory, GFX card and powersupply. Today the last bits arrived, so now I've got to put it together and switch my harddrives. If all goes well windows should just detect the change and after some updates everything should still work fine..... I'll update if things actually work. Rock on!
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28th April 2022, 09:12 AM	#3
DallasDad Muse Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 971	I had to do exactly the same thing a couple of weeks ago. Went just fine.
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28th April 2022, 11:54 AM	#4
Hellbound Merchant of Doom Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not in Hell, but I can see it from here on a clear day... Posts: 14,855	Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser For the past two years I've had random crashes with my computer, probably related to my GFX card, but possibly the motherboard or memory. I've not been able to pin it down nor fix, but the issue was minor enough (about 1 crash/day) that I stuck it out. Finally had enough of it, but my drives are still ok. So I bought a new motherboard, processor, memory, GFX card and powersupply. Today the last bits arrived, so now I've got to put it together and switch my harddrives. If all goes well windows should just detect the change and after some updates everything should still work fine..... I'll update if things actually work. It should go fine. Alternatively, you could run sysprep on it before changing out hardware. That generalizes the image, removing things like specific drivers and such. Might make for a smoother transition, Sent from my volcanic island lair using carrier pigeon.
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28th April 2022, 04:38 PM	#6
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28th April 2022, 12:48 PM	#5
Lukraak_Sisser Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,529	Hmm once I turn it on everything seems to work except the CPU fail light lights up on the motherboard. That's a bad thing right?? I re inserted it. I think its in the right way. So off to a repairshop tomorrow as I cant check if the CPU was faulty when it arrived or not. I resent I needed reading glasses way too often to find key letters

29th April 2022, 02:31 AM	#7
Mongrel Begging for Scraps Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK, suburbia. 20 minutes in the future Posts: 2,138	Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser Hmm once I turn it on everything seems to work except the CPU fail light lights up on the motherboard. That's a bad thing right?? I re inserted it. I think its in the right way. So off to a repairshop tomorrow as I cant check if the CPU was faulty when it arrived or not. I resent I needed reading glasses way too often to find key letters What CPU did you have and which Motherboard? AMD has tried to make their mobo chipsets as backwards compatible as possible, unfortunately that means that an older board may need a BIOS upgrade if you're using a newer processor. The manufacturers website should have the comparability details Some boards have a specific USB socket that can run the update automatically, check your motherboard manual for details, many though rely on having an older generation processor installed to get to the UEFI BIOS
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29th April 2022, 03:07 AM	#8
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29th April 2022, 05:07 AM	#9
Lukraak_Sisser Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,529	Yeah. So, the IT shop fixed it. By turning it on and off again. Me re-insering the CPU, all the memory etc and re-starting it 20 times was not good enough. I should learn to do votive offerings to the machine god.

29th April 2022, 05:36 AM	#10
malbui Beauf Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,276	Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser Yeah. So, the IT shop fixed it. By turning it on and off again. Me re-insering the CPU, all the memory etc and re-starting it 20 times was not good enough. I should learn to do votive offerings to the machine god. A couple of weeks ago I added two 8 gig sticks of memory to my FIL's old desktop PC which only had 4 gigs before. I've done this kind of thing a million times so I wasn't surprised that it kept giving me boot errors, even before getting to a point where the new memory configuration was recognised. After many many manipulations I went downstairs for coffee and Easter eggs, which did the trick. Went back up, reset the sticks one by one and all has been fine ever since.
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29th April 2022, 07:21 AM	#11
Mongrel Begging for Scraps Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK, suburbia. 20 minutes in the future Posts: 2,138	Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser I should learn to do votive offerings to the machine god. I've always found that when I cut myself on the case somewhere it seems to go a lot smoother at the end
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29th April 2022, 07:35 AM	#12
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 12,716	If you're not sacrificing some kind of small animal at the beginning of any and all upgrades then you're just not going to get it done smoothly. You must pay the blood toll.
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29th April 2022, 09:00 AM	#13
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29th April 2022, 10:46 AM	#14
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,479	Originally Posted by welshdean I just offer a little prayer to the 'god of the blue smoke'. The 'god of the blue smoke' demands that random components be periodically sacrificed to return the sacred blue smoke to him.

3rd May 2022, 11:18 AM	#15
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 8,982	If it keeps happening when you get it back home, check your power supply/UPS wattage. Supposedly components these days use the listed power as a general max guideline, not a hard cap, and intel CPUs especially can peak at several multiples of their listed rating.
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3rd May 2022, 01:40 PM	#16
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3rd May 2022, 02:27 PM	#17
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3rd May 2022, 02:41 PM	#18
eerok Quixoticist Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ON Canada Posts: 5,002	Originally Posted by malbui A couple of weeks ago I added two 8 gig sticks of memory to my FIL's old desktop PC which only had 4 gigs before. I've done this kind of thing a million times so I wasn't surprised that it kept giving me boot errors, even before getting to a point where the new memory configuration was recognised. After many many manipulations I went downstairs for coffee and Easter eggs, which did the trick. Went back up, reset the sticks one by one and all has been fine ever since. I don't get improperly-seated RAM anymore because I just assume I get it wrong the first time, and triple-check it. It's also easy to fail to seat the GPU -- they're so bulky these days, it's hard to see what you're doing. It's always fun when you power on and fail the first POST, but I've found this is what happens most of the time these days. It takes another try or maybe two for some reason. Just the tech showing who's boss.
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4th May 2022, 01:08 AM	#19
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4th May 2022, 07:41 AM	#20
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,069	Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser Yeah. So, the IT shop fixed it. By turning it on and off again. Me re-insering the CPU, all the memory etc and re-starting it 20 times was not good enough. I should learn to do votive offerings to the machine god. You didn't power-cycle it in the proper technical way. Originally Posted by Mongrel I've always found that when I cut myself on the case somewhere it seems to go a lot smoother at the end True, in Ye Olde Days sharp edged metal flanges were provided in the case for this purpose.
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4th May 2022, 07:42 AM	#21
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,069	Originally Posted by Wudang Reminds me of the old ~~jokes~~ sound technical advice about SCSI chains Passive, Active or Forced Perfect termination?
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4th May 2022, 07:44 AM	#22
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,069	Originally Posted by a_unique_person I tried to force the ram in the wrong way once and fried my new motherboard. A little OT but years ago I saw a sales person set a new record for shortest time between getting new notebook and RTMing new notebook. He attempted to insert his PS/2 mouse into the S-video DIM socket. Well they look the same....
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