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Old 28th July 2009, 04:04 AM   #1
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Alien Big Cats in the UK?

A big cat has been photgraphed in Scotland.
The railway line is about 4 and a half feet wide which by my rekoning makes the cat about 3 foot not including tail. That's a fairly hefty moggie for sure but I'd have thought it was still within the range of domestic cat?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/8172064.stm
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Old 28th July 2009, 04:13 AM   #2
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Many parts of Australia have had sightings of "big cats", with this being a recent one:

http://borderwatch.com.au/archives/808

One of the theories is that US troups brought leopard mascots with them when posted here during WWII. I think wikipedia deals with these sightings well. Phantom Cats:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_cat
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Old 28th July 2009, 04:16 AM   #3
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I heard cats were verboten on here, but googling fat cat rather than big cat leads to some pretty *********** big domestic cats.

http://www.funnydog.net/images/poza-fatcat.jpg
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Old 28th July 2009, 04:18 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by mummymonkey View Post
A big cat has been photgraphed in Scotland.
The railway line is about 4 and a half feet wide which by my rekoning makes the cat about 3 foot not including tail. That's a fairly hefty moggie for sure but I'd have thought it was still within the range of domestic cat?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/8172064.stm
That must be Behemot! Who was beheaded by the tram this time?
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Old 28th July 2009, 05:41 AM   #5
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I watched the video on the BBC website. It didn't strike me as being paticularly big. The way it daintly trots along the rail certainly looked more moggie than monster.
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Old 28th July 2009, 05:52 AM   #6
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Dude sounds pretty excited...he couldn't have dubbed in a soundtrack or something?
Eye of the Tiger?
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Old 28th July 2009, 06:31 AM   #7
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While the Moggy Monster theory is attractive, my bets would be on the vid being a moggy of the Siberian Forest Cat, Norwegian Forest Cat or Maine Coon Cat persuasion.
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Old 28th July 2009, 06:40 AM   #8
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hi, lionking, loved the links.

This story was my favourite, though:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie_(feline)
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Old 28th July 2009, 06:46 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Ersby View Post
I watched the video on the BBC website. It didn't strike me as being paticularly big. The way it daintly trots along the rail certainly looked more moggie than monster.
Have to agree - doesn't look that big to me.
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Old 28th July 2009, 06:59 AM   #10
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It's a housecat. People making "alien big cat" claims don't truly understand how large leopards, jaguars and cougars are. The cat in this video also has a walk cadence unlike the real thing. It may be a rather large moggie, but it reveals its height when alongside the rail. Too much of the legs are concealed by the rail when it is briefly walking there. Once the cat has stepped onto the rail, we can see that its legs are not much taller than the rail itself.
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Old 28th July 2009, 07:10 AM   #11
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"Touch not the cat bot a glaive"

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Old 28th July 2009, 07:12 AM   #12
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The setting is known, so size comparisons could be made on location.
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Old 28th July 2009, 07:21 AM   #13
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That is, I'm fairly sure, the first time I've ever seen a critical analysis done of anything which included an indication of "Moggie Height"

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Old 28th July 2009, 07:23 AM   #14
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Whatever it is. the poor thing must be depressed.
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Old 28th July 2009, 07:34 AM   #15
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ah, I think this is a domestic housecat, but I also think that the UK now has big cats as a native species. This is because I have researched this in depth before.

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Old 28th July 2009, 07:55 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by Akhenaten View Post
"Touch not the cat bot a glaive"

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I have to stay the animal strikes me as a perfectly normal, although large, housecat. It even has that type of behaviour. I don't see it being "over 4' in length" like the one guy claims. It just looks like a big kitty to me.
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Old 28th July 2009, 08:09 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
doesn't look that big to me.
Nor to me. The BBC article quotes Shaun Stevens of the "Big Cats In Britain" group:
"Knowing the width of the rail tracks in Chris's video is 4ft 8.5in, the animal photographed by him is clearly in excess of 4ft and as such is certainly not a domestic cat."
Hm... almost as long as the width of the rail tracks? Look at the length of the beastie (without the tail) and the apparent width of the tracks:



Perspective is tricky. In this image, I think the cat is moving more or less perpendicular to the line of sight, so there's no foreshortening. The rails are certainly not perpendicular to the line of sight, so there is some foreshortening (exactly how much, I can't say). I'd estimate the length of the cat to be at most 1/2 the width of the rails.

So here's one more vote for "just a big kitty".
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Old 28th July 2009, 08:09 AM   #18
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I heard cats were verboten on here, but googling fat cat rather than big cat leads to some pretty *********** big domestic cats.

http://www.funnydog.net/images/poza-fatcat.jpg
I think it's kittens they try to avoid here.
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Old 28th July 2009, 08:18 AM   #19
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Nor to me. The BBC article quotes Shaun Stevens of the "Big Cats In Britain" group:
"Knowing the width of the rail tracks in Chris's video is 4ft 8.5in, the animal photographed by him is clearly in excess of 4ft and as such is certainly not a domestic cat."
Hm... almost as long as the width of the rail tracks? Look at the length of the beastie (without the tail) and the apparent width of the tracks:
cats are usually measured from nose to the tip of the tail,
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Cats average about 23–25 centimeters (9–10 in) in height[14] and 46 centimeters (18.1 in) in head/body length (males being larger than females), with tails averaging 30 centimeters (11.8 in) in length.[15]
the longest domestic cat species is the maine coon cat.
the world record holder is 48 inches long
http://www.verismocat.com/htmscripts/leo-guinness.htm

so if its over 3 feet long then it isn't a housecat, you'll need to stop thinking black panther, that is not what the various native big cat societies in the UK are proposing, the current paradigm is a melanistic hybrid of a wild and domestic species.
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Whatever it is. the poor thing must be depressed.

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That must be Behemot! Who was beheaded by the tram this time?
The oil has already been spilled? Are you sure ?
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Originally Posted by shawmutt View Post
Dude sounds pretty excited...he couldn't have dubbed in a soundtrack or something?
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Says in the story he had to run to his car to get his camera-phone. And, no, he doesn't sound excited, just winded.
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Originally Posted by Michael C View Post
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...f0fb738553.jpg

Perspective is tricky. In this image, I think the cat is moving more or less perpendicular to the line of sight, so there's no foreshortening. The rails are certainly not perpendicular to the line of sight, so there is some foreshortening (exactly how much, I can't say). I'd estimate the length of the cat to be at most 1/2 the width of the rails.

So here's one more vote for "just a big kitty".

I disagree - it looks quite a bit longer than half the width of the track. I'd say it's more like mummymonkey's estimate of three foot, which would be a very large domestic moggie.



It could be a Scottish Wildcat / domestic cat hybrid, perhaps a Kellas Cat. They can be bigger than either wildcats or domestic cats.
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It's a big fat domestic cat. My parents had a cat about that size. Usually you can't hear a cat walk; this one you could. And if he jumped off the kitchen counter, the whole house knew.
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Could be just a big cat, or just a young panther.
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So these "Alien Big Cats" could be nothing more than abnormally large House cats?
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The bloke who took the video is reported as commenting that the tail was very long, which is a common comment people make about my Maine Coon cat; his tail looks proportionally much longer than a standard domestic moggy's tail.
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Looks like a black dog to me. There's nothing in this blurry, distant video that conclusively indicates that it's a cat.
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The missing link!

http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/bigcat2.asp

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Originally Posted by Akhenaten View Post
"Touch not the cat bot a glaive"

'tis a quiz! Takers?
It's 'glove', surely? A glaive being a staff weapon. Although, one of the cats I had...
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You were beaten to it, I'm afraid. As was I! A favourite quote of mine.
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The bloke who took the video is reported as commenting that the tail was very long, which is a common comment people make about my Maine Coon cat; his tail looks proportionally much longer than a standard domestic moggy's tail.
how many jet black maine coon cats do you think there are running around in scotland ?

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Must confess though, it's supposed to be the family clan. So it's common knowledge in our family.

I can't see this being a dog, it definitely acts like a cat. It also moves like a cat. A domestic cat.
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You were beaten to it, I'm afraid. As was I! A favourite quote of mine.
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Looks like a black dog to me. There's nothing in this blurry, distant video that conclusively indicates that it's a cat.
On the video, the animal seems to move more like a cat than a dog, IMO--a bit slinky. The videographer should have thrown a ball of yarn in front of it so we'd be sure.
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It resembles a black Jaguar.
Cougars although said to have been seen in the melanistic phase, are not actually known to be black.
Here's one at the Exotic Feline Breeding Compound in Rosamond CA.
It LOVES getting a shower or taking a bath in the August heat!
The tail is quick long and not tapered to a point, as is the typical house cat.
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Let's not forget Occam's Razor.

If you hear the pitty-pat of feline paws, think house cat, not panther.
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Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler View Post
Let's not forget Occam's Razor.

If you hear the pitty-pat of feline paws, think house cat, not panther.
I thought occams razor is more likely to tell you that if you hear the pitty-pat of feline paws see your doctor, you have developed hyper sensitive hearing
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