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Old 25th May 2018, 04:16 PM   #1
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Unidentified canid shot by Montana farmer

We have a cryptid, folks!
According to several news reports the taxonomy of a predator shot by a farmer in Montana, aside from being "canid", cannot be determined visually. At first glance it might seem to be a wolf, but its fur and the size and shape of several physical features are wrong. DNA tests are currently underway to pin down its identification.
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Old 25th May 2018, 05:26 PM   #2
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Denton, Montana is outside of the general distribution range for wolves in that state. This could be an unusual feral domestic dog. The head looks like a dog but the ears are unusually large. It might be a coyote dog hybrid. The color is like a wolf but it doesn't seem to have wolf characteristics.
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Old 25th May 2018, 05:35 PM   #3
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I'll place my bet on 100% coyote with the uncommon "black" coloration.
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Old 25th May 2018, 05:50 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
I'll place my bet on 100% coyote with the uncommon "black" coloration.
Depends on the size. Looks large for a coyote. I'm guessing wolf-dog hybrid. Perhaps someone's "pet" that outgrew their ability to manage it.

Multiple "news" sites have said "Dire Wolf". Idiots. Aside from being extinct, those were pretty much huge.
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Old 25th May 2018, 06:43 PM   #5
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Depends on the size. Looks large for a coyote. I'm guessing wolf-dog hybrid. Perhaps someone's "pet" that outgrew their ability to manage it.

Multiple "news" sites have said "Dire Wolf". Idiots. Aside from being extinct, those were pretty much huge.
One reason they were Dire!!!!!!!
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One reason they were Dire!!!!!!!
This is a dyer: a wild dog that uses Hair Coloring for Men.
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Old 25th May 2018, 07:29 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Depends on the size. Looks large for a coyote.
Here it is on the truck tailgate. I don't see why this is too large for coyote.

https://www.wkyc.com/img/resize/cont...750&height=422
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Old 25th May 2018, 07:42 PM   #8
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Coyote wolf hybrids are pretty common in the East, so why not there too? "Coy wolves" can get pretty big.
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Old 25th May 2018, 09:01 PM   #9
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Coyote wolf hybrids are pretty common in the East,
That is not a modern hybridization in the United States. The wolf doesn't exist in the eastern USA. Some do exist in Ontario and Quebec.

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so why not there too?
Montana is not known for wolf coyote hybrids. And as I mentioned earlier wolves do not live where this animal was shot.

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"Coy wolves" can get pretty big.
They are typically larger than a normal coyote. But it hasn't been established that this animal is larger than a normal coyote.

As far as I can see, what makes this animal different and confusing is the coloration. Putting that aside, there are no apparent physical features that suggest something other than a normal coyote. Montana state wildlife officials looked at the same photos we see. They suggest "not a wolf", but they don't say "not a coyote".

Melanistic coyotes do exist. Though they are uncommon, they primarily are found in the southeast USA, but can occur elsewhere. The melanistic coloration ranges from dark brown all the way to black.

You can Google "melanistic coyote" to see photos of animals that look much like the one that was shot in Montana.
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I just attended a wildlife lecture! They had a good slide pointing out differences between wolves and coyotes. The ears and nose shape on this one do indeed look more like the coyote.
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It's my understanding that melanistic coyotes occur largely as a result of breeding with dogs.

I would bet the critter in question is a yote/dog hybrid.
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Coy-dog or coyote.
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Never having met a wolf or a coyote, much to my disappointment, could it not just be a peculiar looking feral dog?
There's a huge amount of random variations among dogs
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People do get that the D&D/Game of Thrones "Dire Wolf" isn't/wasn't a real creature, right?

The actual real extinct species Canis dirus was about the same size as a modern wolf. The jaw was just structured larger to account for the larger prey animals available at the time.
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Did it drop any ear rings?
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I'm going with coyote or coyote-dog hybrid (coydog). The bigger picture here though is how this incident only "proves" further there is no Bigfoot.

When some odd or unique animal shows up and humans see it, what do they usually want to do to it first? Kill it, beat it, capture it, divorce it, something it so they gain total control over it. And taking a picture is rarely their first reaction it seems. Even in this case, where's the pictures of it before its death?

And such and such and so and so and thus there is no Bigfoot because humans would have shot and killed one long before now had they existed, just like in this case. We simply can't help it. We're imperfect and unbalanced and capricious and stupid and selfish and...and we always gotta kill.
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Long haired German Shepard mostly.
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I'm just curious now how many syllables you all think there are in "coyote". Because I know how many there are in Montana.
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Apparently according to BBC there is speculation that it could be related to "Bigfoot" . I mean 'werewolf' is enough of a stretch, but c'mon.

I think it's some race of dog.
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I'm just curious now how many syllables you all think there are in "coyote". Because I know how many there are in Montana.
I've been known to switch between "Wile E. ..." and "Real men don't, Kill..." pretty much on a whim. Of course in the UK it's pretty much academic.
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I know what it is!
Wait a second...for some reason there's a black helicopter hovering over my house and a couple of black SUVs with dark tinted windows just pulled into my driveway.
Hmmmm...loud knocking at my door...wonder who it is?
I'll just answer the door and be right back to tell you all what that mysterious dog-like creature really is........
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(sound of door breaking, muffled shouts, tires screeching, and revving motors fading into the distance)
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I know what it is!
Wait a second...for some reason there's a black helicopter hovering over my house and a couple of black SUVs with dark tinted windows just pulled into my driveway.
Hmmmm...loud knocking at my door...wonder who it is?
I'll just answer the door and be right back to tell you all what that mysterious dog-like creature really is........
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(sound of door breaking, muffled shouts, tires screeching, and revving motors fading into the distance)

Oh well, there goes another one. The big foot threads must be empty by now....
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Denton, Montana is outside of the general distribution range for wolves in that state. This could be an unusual feral domestic dog. The head looks like a dog but the ears are unusually large. It might be a coyote dog hybrid. The color is like a wolf but it doesn't seem to have wolf characteristics.
Not at all large ears for a long-haired (or "coated") Alsatian (d.b.a. "German Shepherd" in USA). There's a darker version of the coated branch of the tree that doesn't have all that lovely chestnut brown. And the size of the beast is in keeping with a coated alsatian. A friend of mine had one in Montreal they're magnificent. (RIP Sonny - great dog!)
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Long haired German Shepard mostly.
Oops. Hadn't seen this. I concur. Well, except for the spelling.

Here's a link to an article that has some pics of one (or several) with the darker markings.

http://www.total-german-shepherd.com...nShepherd.html

Is that sheep country? Having a big old out-bred (for strength) shepherd makes sense. It was either feral, a shepherd/wolf mix, or the dood just shot Sirr Muffin of Twelve Oaks, the neighbor's prize show dog.
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(Sorry, I keep reading the threat title as "Unidentified candid shot...")
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I'm just curious now how many syllables you all think there are in "coyote". Because I know how many there are in Montana.
Depends on context. One, two, or three syllables.

Normally, two syllables: Kie-oat.

Properly, three syllables: Kie-oh-tee.

When talking to a varmint hunter, one syllable: 'yote.

When speaking to law enforcement about the folks who facilitate the transport of undocumented foreign born workers, three syllables: Coy-yoh-tae.
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It's obviously a chupacabra.
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I'm not sure why this is under such speculation. It simply appears to be a large, dead, dog. The ears do not look unnaturally large. I've seen many German Shepherds with ears that large.
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It's an official cryptid, the story made it to Coast to Coast.

Experts Baffled by Strange Wolf-Life Creature Shot and Killed in Montana

Official Montana wildlife dept statement.
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I keep wondering if they scanned it for a microchip.
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I keep wondering if they scanned it for a microchip.


You really think Bigfoot would have had his dog registered?
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This can't be any kind of cryptic, the picture isn't blurry.
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I'm not sure why this is under such speculation. It simply appears to be a large, dead, dog. The ears do not look unnaturally large. I've seen many German Shepherds with ears that large.
It does have a generally feral or wild appearance though.
Certainly possible itís just a dog, but Iím still leaning coy-dog.
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