Charles III's coronation - Page 2

dudalb · 7th March 2023, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

Charles I, surely?

You are correct God, I was right the first time. I forgot James the First was the first Stuart King of England. Chuck the second was the Merry Monarch.

dudalb · 7th March 2023, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

Sadly I know I will watch it - no matter my feelings about the whole monarchy it will be a historic "moment".

You can't dump over a Thousand Years of History that easily.

dudalb · 7th March 2023, 05:45 PM

Looks as if Biden will not be attednng the Coronation...

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-unlikel...173152207.html

HIs Personal Discomfort has something to do with his being of Irish descent, methinks.

arthwollipot · 7th March 2023, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

HIs Personal Discomfort has something to do with his being of Irish descent, methinks.

Since that was explicitly said in the article you linked to, metoothinks.

Quote:

However, TIME noted that Biden himself has "long held a personal discomfort with the British monarchy." This is in part due to his strong Irish heritage, and the Biden family has reportedly held anger about the historic colonization of Ireland by the British monarchy, a sentiment shared by many native Irish people.

GraculusTheGreenBird · 7th March 2023, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Since that was explicitly said in the article you linked to, metoothinks.

Is he going to give the US back to the Native Americans, then?

<Ducks and runs off>

Craig4 · 7th March 2023, 06:08 PM

There's something a bit unseemly about a US president attending a coronation. The concept of royalty isn't just un-American, it's the original un-American.

Norman Alexander · 7th March 2023, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

There's something a bit unseemly about a US president attending a coronation. The concept of royalty isn't just un-American, it's the original un-American.

Isn't that being a bit too precious? It's not an American coronation but happening in another country for their citizens. Should Americans be shunning a coronation of, say, a King of Tonga, or an Emperor of Japan? If not, why get upset about crowning a new British monarch?

arthwollipot · 7th March 2023, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Isn't that being a bit too precious? It's not an American coronation but happening in another country for their citizens. Should Americans be shunning a coronation of, say, a King of Tonga, or an Emperor of Japan? If not, why get upset about crowning a new British monarch?

It wasn't the Tongan or Japanese monarchy that America literally fought a war to be free of.

Norman Alexander · 7th March 2023, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

It wasn't the Tongan or Japanese monarchy that America literally fought a war to be free of.

True, but they have been free of the British monarchy for...*does finger-counting*...about 230 years now. Isn't that long enough already to be not squeamish about attending a coronation? If not, how long is?

arthwollipot · 7th March 2023, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

True, but they have been free of the British monarchy for...*does finger-counting*...about 230 years now. Isn't that long enough already to be not squeamish about attending a coronation? If not, how long is?

Well, given that 3rd and 4th generation Americans still identify as Irish, I'm guessing they'll hang onto it for quite a while.

GraculusTheGreenBird · 7th March 2023, 08:30 PM

Honestly it seems weird that Biden would have enough respect for a close ally's head of state to attend the Queen's funeral, but not to attend the coronation of the next head of state of that same ally.

I see it as an unnecessary snub.

dudalb · 7th March 2023, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Isn't that being a bit too precious? It's not an American coronation but happening in another country for their citizens. Should Americans be shunning a coronation of, say, a King of Tonga, or an Emperor of Japan? If not, why get upset about crowning a new British monarch?

Oh,l we will send a official representive, just not the President.
And don't forget how the US got started..something to do with a revolt against a British monarch, I believe.

dudalb · 7th March 2023, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

True, but they have been free of the British monarchy for...*does finger-counting*...about 230 years now. Isn't that long enough already to be not squeamish about attending a coronation? If not, how long is?

Well, you have the whole issue of Northern Ireland, also......which many Irish Americans feel very strongly about.....----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TragicMonkey · 7th March 2023, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by GraculusTheGreenBird

Honestly it seems weird that Biden would have enough respect for a close ally's head of state to attend the Queen's funeral, but not to attend the coronation of the next head of state of that same ally.

I see it as an unnecessary snub.

The solution is simple: if Charles wants to increase the turnout he can combine his coronation with his funeral. It'll boost attendance, get much more publicity, and save on catering costs. Really there's no downside, he should consider it carefully.

dudalb · 7th March 2023, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

There's something a bit unseemly about a US president attending a coronation. The concept of royalty isn't just un-American, it's the original un-American.

The Funeral was a bit diffferent.

dudalb · 7th March 2023, 08:49 PM

I wonder if the Veep might make the trip.

dudalb · 7th March 2023, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

The solution is simple: if Charles wants to increase the turnout he can combine his coronation with his funeral. It'll boost attendance, get much more publicity, and save on catering costs. Really there's no downside, he should consider it carefully.

And lessen the days that the Abbey is closed to Tourists......
It is a very impressive and fascianting building. Everybody from CHarles Dickens to Darwin is honored there.

dudalb · 7th March 2023, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

It wasn't the Tongan or Japanese monarchy that America literally fought a war to be free of.

This, ALthough n the case of Japan, we did a fight a war with the Monarchy after the little sneak attack in 1941....

arthwollipot · 7th March 2023, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

This, ALthough n the case of Japan, we did a fight a war with the Monarchy after the little sneak attack in 1941....

True, though while it was a pivotal moment in your history, it wasn't the literal founding event of the country.

arthwollipot · 7th March 2023, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Well, you have the whole issue of Northern Ireland, also......which many Irish Americans feel very strongly about.....

Yeah, why is that? There are Australians of Irish descent - plenty of them - but none of them are as nationalistic about their Irish heritage as Irish Americans are.

Darat · 8th March 2023, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think the clergyman who would do it is C of E, not Eastern Orthodox.

Why? It isn't even an Anglican church.

Darat · 8th March 2023, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

You can't dump over a Thousand Years of History that easily.

Which thousand years of history?

Darat · 8th March 2023, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

There's something a bit unseemly about a US president attending a coronation. The concept of royalty isn't just un-American, it's the original un-American.

Especially the British royalty.

gypsyjackson · 8th March 2023, 03:31 AM

Eisenhower didn’t go to the Queen’s coronation, and it doesn’t appear Roosevelt went to her dad’s. Maybe the US President hasn’t ever attended a UK coronation.

Craig4 · 8th March 2023, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by gypsyjackson

Eisenhower didn’t go to the Queen’s coronation, and it doesn’t appear Roosevelt went to her dad’s. Maybe the US President hasn’t ever attended a UK coronation.

We're afraid that if he went, you'd bill him for the tea.

Carrot Flower King · 8th March 2023, 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

You can't dump over a Thousand Years of History that easily.

Given that most "royal traditions" were made up in the Victorian era or after and that Chucky's family have less ancestry here than much of the population, we don't seem to have that "1000 years of history" in this particular instance.

Darat · 8th March 2023, 04:31 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

I'll catch up with the highlights, but I won't sit through the whole thing.

Must be me - I like the thought of seeing it "live" (I know with digital these days you are often behind) that's what makes it history, I'll probably never watch the highlights as not that interested in it. Plus it means I get to see when the mask slips - like Charles and the pen holder. Recent programmes that featured the Accession ceremony have missed that out.

Norman Alexander · 8th March 2023, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

The Funeral was a bit different.

It was part of the monarchistic succession tradition, surely.

Vixen · 8th March 2023, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Sadly I know I will watch it - no matter my feelings about the whole monarchy it will be a historic "moment".

Oh dear, how sad. Me too.

Vixen · 8th March 2023, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

The solution is simple: if Charles wants to increase the turnout he can combine his coronation with his funeral. It'll boost attendance, get much more publicity, and save on catering costs. Really there's no downside, he should consider it carefully.

This is a great idea! Your best yet. Sheer genius. Brits love a queue and a coronation-cum-funeral would be a Brit dream come true, Queue on the left for the crowning and on the right for the the 'crowned' (hopefully the suspect will be in custody). Just think, instead or the two or three days ten-mile queues to Southwark Park, there could be two queues from Reading and for at least three months so that the entire population of the UK and its realm can get a chance to 'show their respects'. In the interim we can all watch the queues on our television sets in between cups of tea and biscuits. Watch out for Holly and Phil jumping the queue, the un-British bastards.

Gulliver Foyle · 8th March 2023, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

True, but they have been free of the British monarchy for...*does finger-counting*...about 230 years now. Isn't that long enough already to be not squeamish about attending a coronation? If not, how long is?

My guess it's as much for the fact that Brian is insisting on a full fat coronation with all the bells and whistles as for anything else.

dudalb · 8th March 2023, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Yeah, why is that? There are Australians of Irish descent - plenty of them - but none of them are as nationalistic about their Irish heritage as Irish Americans are.

I think the ones who emigrated to the US instead of another country under British Rule had totally had it with British rule and were biascailly hostile to it; that is why they chose America instead of a British colony. They passed that on to their children.

arthwollipot · 8th March 2023, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think the ones who emigrated to the US instead of another country under British Rule had totally had it with British rule and were biascailly hostile to it; that is why they chose America instead of a British colony. They passed that on to their children.

A lot of Irish were transported to Australia as prisoners of the British Empire. Why would they not have similar animosity?

I saw an interesting thing this morning on social media. I'm not going to say who it was because it is someone who is known to some of us here. They said that corned beef is an Irish-American dish.

Er... no. Corned beef is an Irish dish.

arthwollipot · 8th March 2023, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

Must be me - I like the thought of seeing it "live" (I know with digital these days you are often behind) that's what makes it history, I'll probably never watch the highlights as not that interested in it. Plus it means I get to see when the mask slips - like Charles and the pen holder. Recent programmes that featured the Accession ceremony have missed that out.

I have waaay too short an attention span to sit through the whole thing. It will be hours.

GlennB · 8th March 2023, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

A lot of Irish were transported to Australia as prisoners of the British Empire. Why would they not have similar animosity?

I saw an interesting thing this morning on social media. I'm not going to say who it was because it is someone who is known to some of us here. They said that corned beef is an Irish-American dish.

Er... no. Corned beef is an Irish dish.

Maybe, but do you know why it's called 'corned'?

arthwollipot · 8th March 2023, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by GlennB

Maybe, but do you know why it's called 'corned'?

It's something to do with the way it's preserved, but the details are outside my experience.

TragicMonkey · 8th March 2023, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

A lot of Irish were transported to Australia as prisoners of the British Empire. Why would they not have similar animosity?

I saw an interesting thing this morning on social media. I'm not going to say who it was because it is someone who is known to some of us here. They said that corned beef is an Irish-American dish.

Er... no. Corned beef is an Irish dish.

It was my understanding that it is an American dish that Americans mistakenly believe is Irish. "Plastic Paddy" culture, etc.

arthwollipot · 8th March 2023, 07:04 PM

Pretty sure it originated as Irish, but you're starting to make me think I may not have all the information.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I've been wrong about way more important matters than this before.

Hellbound · 8th March 2023, 07:11 PM

From what I can find, corned beef has been in England and Ireland for quite some time.

Corned beef hash, on the other hand, was first started in New England in the Americas. Maybe Tragic Monkey was confusing one for the other?

TragicMonkey · 8th March 2023, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Hellbound

From what I can find, corned beef has been in England and Ireland for quite some time.

Corned beef hash, on the other hand, was first started in New England in the Americas. Maybe Tragic Monkey was confusing one for the other?

Maybe. I keep my distance from damn Yankees and the digusting slop they think is food, whether they blame other cultures for it or not! I have Irish ancestry myself, and they bequeathed unto me a powerful impatience for stuff that sucks and is stupid. Oh, and the eloquence to express those feelings politely, without causing offense!

7th March 2023, 05:38 PM	#41
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,362	Originally Posted by zooterkin Charles I, surely? You are correct God, I was right the first time. I forgot James the First was the first Stuart King of England. Chuck the second was the Merry Monarch.
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7th March 2023, 05:41 PM	#42
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,362	Originally Posted by Darat Sadly I know I will watch it - no matter my feelings about the whole monarchy it will be a historic "moment". You can't dump over a Thousand Years of History that easily.
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7th March 2023, 05:45 PM	#43
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,362	Looks as if Biden will not be attednng the Coronation... https://news.yahoo.com/biden-unlikel...173152207.html HIs Personal Discomfort has something to do with his being of Irish descent, methinks.
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7th March 2023, 05:47 PM	#44
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,476	Originally Posted by dudalb HIs Personal Discomfort has something to do with his being of Irish descent, methinks. Since that was explicitly said in the article you linked to, metoothinks. Quote: However, TIME noted that Biden himself has "long held a personal discomfort with the British monarchy." This is in part due to his strong Irish heritage, and the Biden family has reportedly held anger about the historic colonization of Ireland by the British monarchy, a sentiment shared by many native Irish people.
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7th March 2023, 06:08 PM	#46
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 27,382	There's something a bit unseemly about a US president attending a coronation. The concept of royalty isn't just un-American, it's the original un-American.
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7th March 2023, 05:56 PM	#45
GraculusTheGreenBird Muse Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 580	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Since that was explicitly said in the article you linked to, metoothinks. Is he going to give the US back to the Native Americans, then? <Ducks and runs off>

7th March 2023, 06:12 PM	#47
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,734	Originally Posted by Craig4 There's something a bit unseemly about a US president attending a coronation. The concept of royalty isn't just un-American, it's the original un-American. Isn't that being a bit too precious? It's not an *American* coronation but happening in another country for their citizens. Should Americans be shunning a coronation of, say, a King of Tonga, or an Emperor of Japan? If not, why get upset about crowning a new British monarch?
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7th March 2023, 06:24 PM	#48
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,476	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Isn't that being a bit too precious? It's not an *American* coronation but happening in another country for their citizens. Should Americans be shunning a coronation of, say, a King of Tonga, or an Emperor of Japan? If not, why get upset about crowning a new British monarch? It wasn't the Tongan or Japanese monarchy that America literally fought a war to be free of.
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7th March 2023, 07:01 PM	#49
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,734	Originally Posted by arthwollipot It wasn't the Tongan or Japanese monarchy that America literally fought a war to be free of. True, but they have been free of the British monarchy for...does finger-counting...about 230 years now. Isn't that long enough already to be *not* squeamish about attending a coronation? If not, how long is?
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7th March 2023, 07:03 PM	#50
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,476	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander True, but they have been free of the British monarchy for...does finger-counting...about 230 years now. Isn't that long enough already to be *not* squeamish about attending a coronation? If not, how long is? Well, given that 3rd and 4th generation Americans still identify as Irish, I'm guessing they'll hang onto it for quite a while.
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7th March 2023, 08:30 PM	#51
GraculusTheGreenBird Muse Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 580	Honestly it seems weird that Biden would have enough respect for a close ally's head of state to attend the Queen's funeral, but not to attend the coronation of the next head of state of that same ally. I see it as an unnecessary snub.

7th March 2023, 08:46 PM	#52
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,362	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Isn't that being a bit too precious? It's not an *American* coronation but happening in another country for their citizens. Should Americans be shunning a coronation of, say, a King of Tonga, or an Emperor of Japan? If not, why get upset about crowning a new British monarch? Oh,l we will send a official representive, just not the President. And don't forget how the US got started..something to do with a revolt against a British monarch, I believe.
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7th March 2023, 08:47 PM	#53
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,362	-------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Norman Alexander True, but they have been free of the British monarchy for...does finger-counting...about 230 years now. Isn't that long enough already to be *not* squeamish about attending a coronation? If not, how long is? Well, you have the whole issue of Northern Ireland, also......which many Irish Americans feel very strongly about.....----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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7th March 2023, 08:48 PM	#54
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 67,052	Originally Posted by GraculusTheGreenBird Honestly it seems weird that Biden would have enough respect for a close ally's head of state to attend the Queen's funeral, but not to attend the coronation of the next head of state of that same ally. I see it as an unnecessary snub. The solution is simple: if Charles wants to increase the turnout he can combine his coronation with his funeral. It'll boost attendance, get much more publicity, and save on catering costs. Really there's no downside, he should consider it carefully.
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7th March 2023, 08:49 PM	#56
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,362	I wonder if the Veep might make the trip.
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7th March 2023, 08:50 PM	#57
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,362	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey The solution is simple: if Charles wants to increase the turnout he can combine his coronation with his funeral. It'll boost attendance, get much more publicity, and save on catering costs. Really there's no downside, he should consider it carefully. And lessen the days that the Abbey is closed to Tourists...... It is a very impressive and fascianting building. Everybody from CHarles Dickens to Darwin is honored there.
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7th March 2023, 08:52 PM	#58
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,362	Originally Posted by arthwollipot It wasn't the Tongan or Japanese monarchy that America literally fought a war to be free of. This, ALthough n the case of Japan, we did a fight a war with the Monarchy after the little sneak attack in 1941....
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7th March 2023, 09:11 PM	#59
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,476	Originally Posted by dudalb This, ALthough n the case of Japan, we did a fight a war with the Monarchy after the little sneak attack in 1941.... True, though while it was a pivotal moment in your history, it wasn't the literal founding event of the country.
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7th March 2023, 09:12 PM	#60
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,476	Originally Posted by dudalb Well, you have the whole issue of Northern Ireland, also......which many Irish Americans feel very strongly about..... Yeah, why is that? There are Australians of Irish descent - plenty of them - but none of them are as nationalistic about their Irish heritage as Irish Americans are.
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8th March 2023, 01:25 AM	#61
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 111,165	Originally Posted by dudalb I think the clergyman who would do it is C of E, not Eastern Orthodox. Why? It isn't even an Anglican church.
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8th March 2023, 01:26 AM	#62
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 111,165	Originally Posted by dudalb You can't dump over a Thousand Years of History that easily. Which thousand years of history?
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8th March 2023, 01:27 AM	#63
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 111,165	Originally Posted by Craig4 There's something a bit unseemly about a US president attending a coronation. The concept of royalty isn't just un-American, it's the original un-American. Especially the British royalty.
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8th March 2023, 03:31 AM	#64
gypsyjackson Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 1,890	Eisenhower didn’t go to the Queen’s coronation, and it doesn’t appear Roosevelt went to her dad’s. Maybe the US President hasn’t ever attended a UK coronation.

8th March 2023, 04:01 AM	#65
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 27,382	Originally Posted by gypsyjackson Eisenhower didn’t go to the Queen’s coronation, and it doesn’t appear Roosevelt went to her dad’s. Maybe the US President hasn’t ever attended a UK coronation. We're afraid that if he went, you'd bill him for the tea.
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8th March 2023, 04:30 AM	#66
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 4,046	Originally Posted by dudalb You can't dump over a Thousand Years of History that easily. Given that most "royal traditions" were made up in the Victorian era or after and that Chucky's family have less ancestry here than much of the population, we don't seem to have that "1000 years of history" in this particular instance.
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8th March 2023, 04:31 AM	#67
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 111,165	Originally Posted by arthwollipot I'll catch up with the highlights, but I won't sit through the whole thing. Must be me - I like the thought of seeing it "live" (I know with digital these days you are often behind) that's what makes it history, I'll probably never watch the highlights as not that interested in it. Plus it means I get to see when the mask slips - like Charles and the pen holder. Recent programmes that featured the Accession ceremony have missed that out.
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8th March 2023, 05:21 AM	#68
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,734	Originally Posted by dudalb The Funeral was a bit different. It was part of the monarchistic succession tradition, surely.
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8th March 2023, 05:57 AM	#69
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 33,490	Originally Posted by Darat Sadly I know I will watch it - no matter my feelings about the whole monarchy it will be a historic "moment". Oh dear, how sad. Me too.
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8th March 2023, 06:04 AM	#70
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 33,490	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey The solution is simple: if Charles wants to increase the turnout he can combine his coronation with his funeral. It'll boost attendance, get much more publicity, and save on catering costs. Really there's no downside, he should consider it carefully. This is a great idea! Your best yet. Sheer genius. Brits love a queue and a coronation-cum-funeral would be a Brit dream come true, Queue on the left for the crowning and on the right for the the 'crowned' (hopefully the suspect will be in custody). Just think, instead or the two or three days ten-mile queues to Southwark Park, there could be two queues from Reading and for at least three months so that the entire population of the UK and its realm can get a chance to 'show their respects'. In the interim we can all watch the queues on our television sets in between cups of tea and biscuits. Watch out for Holly and Phil jumping the queue, the un-British bastards.
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8th March 2023, 10:18 AM	#71
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,458	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander True, but they have been free of the British monarchy for...does finger-counting...about 230 years now. Isn't that long enough already to be *not* squeamish about attending a coronation? If not, how long is? My guess it's as much for the fact that Brian is insisting on a full fat coronation with all the bells and whistles as for anything else.

8th March 2023, 03:22 PM	#72
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,362	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Yeah, why is that? There are Australians of Irish descent - plenty of them - but none of them are as nationalistic about their Irish heritage as Irish Americans are. I think the ones who emigrated to the US instead of another country under British Rule had totally had it with British rule and were biascailly hostile to it; that is why they chose America instead of a British colony. They passed that on to their children.
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8th March 2023, 05:35 PM	#73
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,476	Originally Posted by dudalb I think the ones who emigrated to the US instead of another country under British Rule had totally had it with British rule and were biascailly hostile to it; that is why they chose America instead of a British colony. They passed that on to their children. A lot of Irish were transported to Australia as prisoners of the British Empire. Why would they not have similar animosity? I saw an interesting thing this morning on social media. I'm not going to say who it was because it is someone who is known to some of us here. They said that corned beef is an Irish-American dish. Er... no. Corned beef is an Irish dish.
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8th March 2023, 05:37 PM	#74
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,476	Originally Posted by Darat Must be me - I like the thought of seeing it "live" (I know with digital these days you are often behind) that's what makes it history, I'll probably never watch the highlights as not that interested in it. Plus it means I get to see when the mask slips - like Charles and the pen holder. Recent programmes that featured the Accession ceremony have missed that out. I have waaay too short an attention span to sit through the whole thing. It will be hours.
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8th March 2023, 05:37 PM	#75
GlennB Loggerheaded, earth-vexing fustilarian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 30,329	Originally Posted by arthwollipot A lot of Irish were transported to Australia as prisoners of the British Empire. Why would they not have similar animosity? I saw an interesting thing this morning on social media. I'm not going to say who it was because it is someone who is known to some of us here. They said that corned beef is an Irish-American dish. Er... no. Corned beef is an Irish dish. Maybe, but do you know why it's called 'corned'?

8th March 2023, 05:37 PM	#76
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,476	Originally Posted by GlennB Maybe, but do you know why it's called 'corned'? It's something to do with the way it's preserved, but the details are outside my experience.
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