Charles III's coronation - Page 6

Vixen · 30th March 2023, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

The actual criteria did change over centuries but there was no such English exemption.

As I recall there was and act of parliament or some kind of edict from the Sovereign that should an English child be found to have been pressganged or transported abroad (for example under the Transportation Act 1717)*, he or she had to be returned to England forthwith. I am assuming there was an incident of this happening hence the order.

*It is very well-known and documented that prisoners of war taken from battles with the Scots and the Irish were sent for forcible indentured labour in the New World, and of course, many never returned to the British Isles. Australians are up to 20% descendants of transported felons and a large percentage of them have Irish descent. Likewise in the US Southern States it is well known that there is a a massive Scottish -Irish descent population, as reflected in the Scottish/Irish surnames handed down through the generations.

Vixen · 30th March 2023, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

Nor were children impressed.

Do you really think people in those days were polite and gentle?

Gulliver Foyle · 30th March 2023, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

The immediate source of the Welsh is Wales, but from whence they issued before that only the lorekeepers know.

Waterford, poor b'stards.

TragicMonkey · 30th March 2023, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

Nor were children impressed.

It's even harder to impress teenagers.

junkshop · 30th March 2023, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

As I recall there was and act of parliament or some kind of edict from the Sovereign that should an English child be found to have been pressganged or transported abroad (for example under the Transportation Act 1717)*, he or she had to be returned to England forthwith. I am assuming there was an incident of this happening hence the order.

*It is very well-known and documented that prisoners of war taken from battles with the Scots and the Irish were sent for forcible indentured labour in the New World, and of course, many never returned to the British Isles. Australians are up to 20% descendants of transported felons and a large percentage of them have Irish descent. Likewise in the US Southern States it is well known that there is a a massive Scottish -Irish descent population, as reflected in the Scottish/Irish surnames handed down through the generations.

That has absolutely and exactly bugger all to do with press-ganging into naval service.

I am, for purely performative reasons, shocked to the very core of my being by this.

_{^{I am regretting quoting quite so much of the post in question. Its' greasiness is oozing through my keyboard, and making typing mirs diffyliclupt.}}

TragicMonkey · 30th March 2023, 04:27 PM

Who is being press-ganged into Charles's coronation? I heard Graham Norton was invited to perform the ceremony but declined the honor, which means he won't be getting that OBE after all. Johnny Vegas volunteered to do it but Charles feared he'd steal the show. So instead they're trying to compel Ian McKellan to perform the thing but he said he'd only do it if he can dress as Gandalf, and that's being debated with the ceremony wonks. However it goes it's bound to be a huge spectacular disaster, or a huge disastrous spectacle, and either way I'm totally all for it.

Vixen · 30th March 2023, 04:37 PM

Further to Gulliver Foyle's comments about the Scots and the Irish being made to do all the work. This is not just tongue-in-cheek, it has been a reality for hundreds of years, dating back to laws enacted by Elizabeth I.

Quote:

The impressment squabbles between the British Military and the Colonists had roots in the 13th Century. The act of “pressing” by the British Navy was common place. It was an instantaneous draft into naval service without any consideration for the pressed person or his family. In this article we wish to identify the overreaching practices that pitted Englishmen throughout the Empire against Parliament's laws.

First Queen Elizabeth I, in the 16th Century introduced a law called “An Act touching politick considerations for the maintenance of the Navy”. Parliament attempted to legitimize, define and clean up the concept with the Vagrancy Act of 1597. It targeted British subjects that could not support themselves. Unfortunately, the Vagrancy Act was practiced by Naval officers that knew only the needs of their “Man of War”.

https://www.walkbostonhistory.com/hi...orm-of-slavery

The insistence that enforced labour only applied to the over-18's is a reflection of how little this history known of by the average person.

GlennB · 30th March 2023, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

The insistence that enforced labour only applied to the over-18's is a reflection of how little this history known of by the average person.

Bollocks.

Darat · 30th March 2023, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

As I recall there was and act of parliament or some kind of edict from the Sovereign that should an English child be found to have been pressganged or transported abroad (for example under the Transportation Act 1717)*, he or she had to be returned to England forthwith. I am assuming there was an incident of this happening hence the order.

*It is very well-known and documented that prisoners of war taken from battles with the Scots and the Irish were sent for forcible indentured labour in the New World, and of course, many never returned to the British Isles. Australians are up to 20% descendants of transported felons and a large percentage of them have Irish descent. Likewise in the US Southern States it is well known that there is a a massive Scottish -Irish descent population, as reflected in the Scottish/Irish surnames handed down through the generations.

There was no exemption for English kids bar those that existed for all kids.

Darat · 30th March 2023, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

Further to Gulliver Foyle's comments about the Scots and the Irish being made to do all the work. This is not just tongue-in-cheek, it has been a reality for hundreds of years, dating back to laws enacted by Elizabeth I.

https://www.walkbostonhistory.com/hi...orm-of-slavery

The insistence that enforced labour only applied to the over-18's is a reflection of how little this history known of by the average person.

There was no exemption for English kids that did not also apply to Welsh kids, remember that was your claim.

Vixen · 30th March 2023, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

There was no exemption for English kids bar those that existed for all kids.

Wales was incorporated into England in the 1500's, so fair enough, in law they would come under the same Acts. However, I was told about the special status of English children pressganged by one of the most knowledgeable persons I have ever met, and who actually wrote a book about the Scottish Lairds land clearances.

Remember, law today is very different to those of yesteryear. People weren't granted 'exemptions' or 'appeal'. They'd find themselves suddenly recruited or transported and good luck to them if they could successfully argue against it.

The idea that someone press-ganged in the street could turn around and say, 'Oh I say I am only 17' probably only applied to those wealthy enough to have documents to prove their age.

TragicMonkey · 30th March 2023, 06:02 PM

This thread certainly went to some strange places! One minute we're all agreeing that Charles definitely had Diana murdered, and he'll have to wear velvet pantaloons during the ceremony, and the next we're talking about kidnapping Welsh children in the 1500s! Truly the UK is a marvelment of fascination, most of which center around crime!

junkshop · 30th March 2023, 06:34 PM

Vixen,

Pressing/Press-ganging =/= transportation. You keep conflating these very different things. Why?

Darat · 31st March 2023, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

Wales was incorporated into England in the 1500's, so fair enough, in law they would come under the same Acts. However, I was told about the special status of English children pressganged by one of the most knowledgeable persons I have ever met, and who actually wrote a book about the Scottish Lairds land clearances.

Remember, law today is very different to those of yesteryear. People weren't granted 'exemptions' or 'appeal'. They'd find themselves suddenly recruited or transported and good luck to them if they could successfully argue against it.

The idea that someone press-ganged in the street could turn around and say, 'Oh I say I am only 17' probably only applied to those wealthy enough to have documents to prove their age.

There was no exemption for English kids that did not also apply to Welsh kids, remember that was your claim.

Vixen · 31st March 2023, 03:32 AM

Ding-a-ling-a-ling! Lords, Ladies and Gentlemen…and <ahem> the little folk. I don’t wish to be a party pooper (thanks, Gulliver Foyle) but may I interrupt the Spam Fritter course and if you could all just put down your school milk for a moment. I should like to take this opportunity to commend King Charles the Third for his and his illustrious divine ancestors bringing our great nation together in one happy united family <sfx cat call ‘Get on with it!’> in having created the title Prince of Wales, which His Royal Highness has now handed over to the heir apparent, Prince William. How marvellous it is that Prince William is not just a Duke of some county here and there but an additional Prince of an entire block of counties – I mean, it’s only Wales after all! - which I am sure warms the heart of every Welshman to have us English rule over them! <sfx sound of violins commences; ducks volley of bread rolls>

When you have eaten up your vegetables and all of the gristly bits, please form an orderly queue for the next course of lumpy semolina. <sfx crescendo as orchestra culminates in Land of Hope and Glory>.

Trebuchet · 31st March 2023, 08:53 AM

Sorry for posting on-topic in this thread, but when is this earth-shaking event scheduled to happen?

Carrot Flower King · 31st March 2023, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Sorry for posting on-topic in this thread, but when is this earth-shaking event scheduled to happen?

The actual coronating is Saturday 6th May; the extra bank holiday is Monday 8th May.

I only know this as I was concerned that Chucky was going to **** up our already booked jaunt to Scottishland.

And I'm hoping we'll have had a revolution by the time I come back from the outer fringes.

Craig4 · 2nd April 2023, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

Ding-a-ling-a-ling! Lords, Ladies and Gentlemen…and <ahem> the little folk. I don’t wish to be a party pooper (thanks, Gulliver Foyle) but may I interrupt the Spam Fritter course and if you could all just put down your school milk for a moment. I should like to take this opportunity to commend King Charles the Third for his and his illustrious divine ancestors bringing our great nation together in one happy united family <sfx cat call ‘Get on with it!’> in having created the title Prince of Wales, which His Royal Highness has now handed over to the heir apparent, Prince William. How marvellous it is that Prince William is not just a Duke of some county here and there but an additional Prince of an entire block of counties – I mean, it’s only Wales after all! - which I am sure warms the heart of every Welshman to have us English rule over them! <sfx sound of violins commences; ducks volley of bread rolls>

When you have eaten up your vegetables and all of the gristly bits, please form an orderly queue for the next course of lumpy semolina. <sfx crescendo as orchestra culminates in Land of Hope and Glory>.

I mentioned that your king is a complete wanker right?

Myriad · 2nd April 2023, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

I mentioned that your king is a complete wanker right?

I've heard tell that His Majesty is like a stream of bat piss.

Ryan O'Dine · 2nd April 2023, 08:20 AM

Can I pick up my milk yet? My doctor put me on a strict all-school-milk diet, and I'm feeling a little faint.

TragicMonkey · 2nd April 2023, 09:52 AM

My mother, who consumes Fox News and talk radio and has an irrational hatred for Meghan Markle as a result, told me yesterday that "Charles is going to have an informal coronation so none of the ladies can wear a tiara, just so Meghan Markle can't." She had no answer when I asked her when Charles would be brought to justice for murdering his first wife.

dann · 2nd April 2023, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Myriad

I've heard tell that His Majesty is like a stream of bat piss.

Does he shine out like a shaft of gold when all around it is dark?!

TheGoldcountry · 2nd April 2023, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

So instead they're trying to compel Ian McKellan to perform the thing but he said he'd only do it if he can dress as Gandalf, and that's being debated with the ceremony wonks.

If this actually happens, I will fully endorse also doing this for Presidential inaugurations, except it will be Keanu Reeves as Neo.

arthwollipot · 2nd April 2023, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Myriad

I've heard tell that His Majesty is like a stream of bat piss.

******* close to water?

Robin · 2nd April 2023, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

I mentioned that your king is a complete wanker right?

But to be fair to him he wishes he wasn't. He wishes he was a tampon.

Robin · 2nd April 2023, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

My mother, who consumes Fox News and talk radio and has an irrational hatred for Meghan Markle as a result, told me yesterday that "Charles is going to have an informal coronation so none of the ladies can wear a tiara, just so Meghan Markle can't."

A barbie in the back yard. Everybody bring a cake or a salad and your favourite plonk. Folding chairs all laid out, the Casio in the corner so that whatever celebrity they managed to rope in can do a few songs.

Chucky III shouts out "Hey Jussie! Tear yourself away from the game for a mo and put that crown on me." Justin takes a swig from his stubbie and tosses the crown over and says "There you are sport, go for your life".

Quote:

She had no answer when I asked her when Charles would be brought to justice for murdering his first wife.

I thought that it was his dad driving the little Fiat.

Robin · 2nd April 2023, 08:12 PM

To be fair to him, he took it in good humour when Spike Milligan called him a little grovelling bastard. But I guess he couldn't have done much else.

Gulliver Foyle · 4th April 2023, 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by Robin

A barbie in the back yard. Everybody bring a cake or a salad and your favourite plonk. Folding chairs all laid out, the Casio in the corner so that whatever celebrity they managed to rope in can do a few songs.

Chucky III shouts out "Hey Jussie! Tear yourself away from the game for a mo and put that crown on me." Justin takes a swig from his stubbie and tosses the crown over and says "There you are sport, go for your life".

I thought that it was his dad driving the little Fiat.

You, sir, are Mohammed Fayed and I claim my £5.

Vixen · 13th April 2023, 03:16 AM

People who were angry at the thought of Meghan Markle turning up:

People who are angry that she is not turning up:

TragicMonkey · 13th April 2023, 03:58 AM

I heard that Meghan's going to hold her own coronation at home and invite tons of celebrity guests, a rival party to steal focus from Charles! She's booked a Spiderman impersonator and a clown, and there will be a bouncey castle and a petting zoo with mini-horses, and face painting and a make-your-own-sundae bar! It's going to be awesome. Charles is furious because he's not getting a bouncey castle, Camilla forgot to book one and it's too late now, you have to arrange in advance and put down a deposit. She said she'd get an inflatable swimming pool instead but Charles cried. It's all going wrong and he's not feeling like a real princess on his big day!

Mashuna · 13th April 2023, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I heard that Meghan's going to hold her own coronation at home and invite tons of celebrity guests, a rival party to steal focus from Charles! She's booked a Spiderman impersonator and a clown, and there will be a bouncey castle and a petting zoo with mini-horses, and face painting and a make-your-own-sundae bar! It's going to be awesome. Charles is furious because he's not getting a bouncey castle, Camilla forgot to book one and it's too late now, you have to arrange in advance and put down a deposit. She said she'd get an inflatable swimming pool instead but Charles cried. It's all going wrong and he's not feeling like a real princess on his big day!

He's right to be upset.

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P.J. Denyer · 13th April 2023, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I heard that Meghan's going to hold her own coronation at home and invite tons of celebrity guests, a rival party to steal focus from Charles! She's booked a Spiderman impersonator and a clown, and there will be a bouncey castle and a petting zoo with mini-horses, and face painting and a make-your-own-sundae bar! It's going to be awesome. Charles is furious because he's not getting a bouncey castle, Camilla forgot to book one and it's too late now, you have to arrange in advance and put down a deposit. She said she'd get an inflatable swimming pool instead but Charles cried. It's all going wrong and he's not feeling like a real princess on his big day!

That sounds much more fun, I'll go to that one. Provided the magic oil is fully vegan & properly sanctified by an appropriatly grand Poobar of course.

aniri · 13th April 2023, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I heard that Meghan's going to hold her own coronation at home and invite tons of celebrity guests, a rival party to steal focus from Charles! She's booked a Spiderman impersonator and a clown, and there will be a bouncey castle and a petting zoo with mini-horses, and face painting and a make-your-own-sundae bar! It's going to be awesome. Charles is furious because he's not getting a bouncey castle, Camilla forgot to book one and it's too late now, you have to arrange in advance and put down a deposit. She said she'd get an inflatable swimming pool instead but Charles cried. It's all going wrong and he's not feeling like a real princess on his big day!

If it's true, it's absolutely disgusting.

TragicMonkey · 13th April 2023, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by aniri

If it's true, it's absolutely disgusting.

What, that Charles doesn't like swimming? He's okay with floating in the pool if he has those floaty arm things on, but he freaks out if his face goes under the water. Then he throws a tantrum and is all tired out well before nap time. Uneasy lies the head that weareth the crown, and so forth.

aniri · 13th April 2023, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

What, that Charles doesn't like swimming? .

No, that there are people who want to steal focus from others.

TragicMonkey · 13th April 2023, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by aniri

No, that there are people who want to steal focus from others.

You're just feeling torn between attending both events, aren't you? Well, if it helps make the decision easier Charles says they're having a choice of Mexican or Chinese, and Camilla's baking sugar cookies from her own recipe because Mary Berry threatened to put a curse on her if she used one of hers. Meghan's having typical Canadian fare: hot dogs, hamburgers, potato chips, alligator sandwiches, zesty curry salmon spheres, and hot fruit. Charles will give out a door prize of a crown jewel to whoever gets the lucky ticket, but Meghan's guests will each receive a gift bag full of snack-size candy bars, fruit gummis, and a small LEGO toy. Charles is too old for video games so there won't be any, but Meghan's hooking up her Wii to a big screen TV so people can play Wii tennis and bowling.

aniri · 13th April 2023, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

You're just feeling torn between attending both events, aren't you? Well, if it helps make the decision easier Charles says they're having a choice of Mexican or Chinese, and Camilla's baking sugar cookies from her own recipe because Mary Berry threatened to put a curse on her if she used one of hers. Meghan's having typical Canadian fare: hot dogs, hamburgers, potato chips, alligator sandwiches, zesty curry salmon spheres, and hot fruit. Charles will give out a door prize of a crown jewel to whoever gets the lucky ticket, but Meghan's guests will each receive a gift bag full of snack-size candy bars, fruit gummis, and a small LEGO toy. Charles is too old for video games so there won't be any, but Meghan's hooking up her Wii to a big screen TV so people can play Wii tennis and bowling.

Very funny. But I'll stop this conversation now.

Ryan O'Dine · 13th April 2023, 03:24 PM

You would think Meghan could afford to book the actual Spiderman.

TragicMonkey · 13th April 2023, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Ryan O'Dine

You would think Meghan could afford to book the actual Spiderman.

The real Spiderman is going to Charles's coronation, of course; he's a shameless social climber and wants to be made Sir Spiderman some day. J Jonah Jameson will be super mad when that happens! Aunt May was invited but won't attend, she's having her cat resurfaced so it repels water better.

Ryan O'Dine · 13th April 2023, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

The real Spiderman is going to Charles's coronation, of course; he's a shameless social climber and wants to be made Sir Spiderman some day. J Jonah Jameson will be super mad when that happens! Aunt May was invited but won't attend, she's having her cat resurfaced so it repels water better.

Ah, that makes sense.

30th March 2023, 02:53 PM	#201
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 33,526	Originally Posted by Darat The actual criteria did change over centuries but there was no such English exemption. As I recall there was and act of parliament or some kind of edict from the Sovereign that should an English child be found to have been pressganged or transported abroad (for example under the Transportation Act 1717), he or she had to be returned to England forthwith. I am assuming there was an incident of this happening hence the order. It is very well-known and documented that prisoners of war taken from battles with the Scots and the Irish were sent for forcible indentured labour in the New World, and of course, many never returned to the British Isles. Australians are up to 20% descendants of transported felons and a large percentage of them have Irish descent. Likewise in the US Southern States it is well known that there is a a massive Scottish -Irish descent population, as reflected in the Scottish/Irish surnames handed down through the generations.
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30th March 2023, 02:54 PM	#202
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 33,526	Originally Posted by zooterkin Nor were children impressed. Do you really think people in those days were polite and gentle?
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30th March 2023, 03:56 PM	#204
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 67,069	Originally Posted by zooterkin Nor were children impressed. It's even harder to impress teenagers.
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30th March 2023, 04:14 PM	#205
junkshop Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: in the kitchen Posts: 1,757	Originally Posted by Vixen As I recall there was and act of parliament or some kind of edict from the Sovereign that should an English child be found to have been pressganged or transported abroad (for example under the Transportation Act 1717), he or she had to be returned to England forthwith. I am assuming there was an incident of this happening hence the order. It is very well-known and documented that prisoners of war taken from battles with the Scots and the Irish were sent for forcible indentured labour in the New World, and of course, many never returned to the British Isles. Australians are up to 20% descendants of transported felons and a large percentage of them have Irish descent. Likewise in the US Southern States it is well known that there is a a massive Scottish -Irish descent population, as reflected in the Scottish/Irish surnames handed down through the generations. That has absolutely and exactly bugger all to do with press-ganging into naval service. I am, for purely performative reasons, shocked to the very core of my being by this. _{^{I am regretting quoting quite so much of the post in question. Its' greasiness is oozing through my keyboard, and making typing mirs diffyliclupt.}}
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30th March 2023, 04:27 PM	#206
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 67,069	Who is being press-ganged into Charles's coronation? I heard Graham Norton was invited to perform the ceremony but declined the honor, which means he won't be getting that OBE after all. Johnny Vegas volunteered to do it but Charles feared he'd steal the show. So instead they're trying to compel Ian McKellan to perform the thing but he said he'd only do it if he can dress as Gandalf, and that's being debated with the ceremony wonks. However it goes it's bound to be a huge spectacular disaster, or a huge disastrous spectacle, and either way I'm totally all for it.
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30th March 2023, 03:39 PM	#203
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,472	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey The immediate source of the Welsh is Wales, but from whence they issued before that only the lorekeepers know. Waterford, poor b'stards.

30th March 2023, 04:37 PM	#207
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 33,526	Further to Gulliver Foyle's comments about the Scots and the Irish being made to do all the work. This is not just tongue-in-cheek, it has been a reality for hundreds of years, dating back to laws enacted by Elizabeth I. Quote: The impressment squabbles between the British Military and the Colonists had roots in the 13th Century. The act of “pressing” by the British Navy was common place. It was an instantaneous draft into naval service without any consideration for the pressed person or his family. In this article we wish to identify the overreaching practices that pitted Englishmen throughout the Empire against Parliament's laws. First Queen Elizabeth I, in the 16th Century introduced a law called “An Act touching politick considerations for the maintenance of the Navy”. Parliament attempted to legitimize, define and clean up the concept with the Vagrancy Act of 1597. It targeted British subjects that could not support themselves. Unfortunately, the Vagrancy Act was practiced by Naval officers that knew only the needs of their “Man of War”. https://www.walkbostonhistory.com/hi...orm-of-slavery The insistence that enforced labour only applied to the over-18's is a reflection of how little this history known of by the average person.
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30th March 2023, 04:41 PM	#208
GlennB Loggerheaded, earth-vexing fustilarian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 30,352	Originally Posted by Vixen The insistence that enforced labour only applied to the over-18's is a reflection of how little this history known of by the average person. Bollocks.

30th March 2023, 05:32 PM	#209
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 111,170	Originally Posted by Vixen As I recall there was and act of parliament or some kind of edict from the Sovereign that should an English child be found to have been pressganged or transported abroad (for example under the Transportation Act 1717), he or she had to be returned to England forthwith. I am assuming there was an incident of this happening hence the order. It is very well-known and documented that prisoners of war taken from battles with the Scots and the Irish were sent for forcible indentured labour in the New World, and of course, many never returned to the British Isles. Australians are up to 20% descendants of transported felons and a large percentage of them have Irish descent. Likewise in the US Southern States it is well known that there is a a massive Scottish -Irish descent population, as reflected in the Scottish/Irish surnames handed down through the generations. There was no exemption for English kids bar those that existed for all kids.
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30th March 2023, 05:34 PM	#210
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 111,170	Originally Posted by Vixen Further to Gulliver Foyle's comments about the Scots and the Irish being made to do all the work. This is not just tongue-in-cheek, it has been a reality for hundreds of years, dating back to laws enacted by Elizabeth I. https://www.walkbostonhistory.com/hi...orm-of-slavery The insistence that enforced labour only applied to the over-18's is a reflection of how little this history known of by the average person. There was no exemption for English kids that did not also apply to Welsh kids, remember that was your claim.
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30th March 2023, 05:59 PM	#211
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 33,526	Originally Posted by Darat There was no exemption for English kids bar those that existed for all kids. Wales was incorporated into England in the 1500's, so fair enough, in law they would come under the same Acts. However, I was told about the special status of English children pressganged by one of the most knowledgeable persons I have ever met, and who actually wrote a book about the Scottish Lairds land clearances. Remember, law today is very different to those of yesteryear. People weren't granted 'exemptions' or 'appeal'. They'd find themselves suddenly recruited or transported and good luck to them if they could successfully argue against it. The idea that someone press-ganged in the street could turn around and say, 'Oh I say I am only 17' probably only applied to those wealthy enough to have documents to prove their age.
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30th March 2023, 06:02 PM	#212
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 67,069	This thread certainly went to some strange places! One minute we're all agreeing that Charles definitely had Diana murdered, and he'll have to wear velvet pantaloons during the ceremony, and the next we're talking about kidnapping Welsh children in the 1500s! Truly the UK is a marvelment of fascination, most of which center around crime!
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30th March 2023, 06:34 PM	#213
junkshop Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: in the kitchen Posts: 1,757	Vixen, Pressing/Press-ganging =/= transportation. You keep conflating these very different things. Why?
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31st March 2023, 12:33 AM	#214
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 111,170	Originally Posted by Vixen Wales was incorporated into England in the 1500's, so fair enough, in law they would come under the same Acts. However, I was told about the special status of English children pressganged by one of the most knowledgeable persons I have ever met, and who actually wrote a book about the Scottish Lairds land clearances. Remember, law today is very different to those of yesteryear. People weren't granted 'exemptions' or 'appeal'. They'd find themselves suddenly recruited or transported and good luck to them if they could successfully argue against it. The idea that someone press-ganged in the street could turn around and say, 'Oh I say I am only 17' probably only applied to those wealthy enough to have documents to prove their age. There was no exemption for English kids that did not also apply to Welsh kids, remember that was your claim.
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31st March 2023, 03:32 AM	#215
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 33,526	Ding-a-ling-a-ling! Lords, Ladies and Gentlemen…and <ahem> the little folk. I don’t wish to be a party pooper (thanks, Gulliver Foyle) but may I interrupt the Spam Fritter course and if you could all just put down your school milk for a moment. I should like to take this opportunity to commend King Charles the Third for his and his illustrious divine ancestors bringing our great nation together in one happy united family <sfx cat call ‘Get on with it!’> in having created the title Prince of Wales, which His Royal Highness has now handed over to the heir apparent, Prince William. How marvellous it is that Prince William is not just a Duke of some county here and there but an additional Prince of an entire block of counties – I mean, it’s only Wales after all! - which I am sure warms the heart of every Welshman to have us English rule over them! <sfx sound of violins commences; ducks volley of bread rolls> When you have eaten up your vegetables and all of the gristly bits, please form an orderly queue for the next course of lumpy semolina. <sfx crescendo as orchestra culminates in Land of Hope and Glory>.
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31st March 2023, 08:53 AM	#216
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 37,699	Sorry for posting on-topic in this thread, but when is this earth-shaking event scheduled to happen?
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31st March 2023, 09:53 AM	#217
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 4,053	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Sorry for posting on-topic in this thread, but when is this earth-shaking event scheduled to happen? The actual coronating is Saturday 6th May; the extra bank holiday is Monday 8th May. I only know this as I was concerned that Chucky was going to **** up our already booked jaunt to Scottishland. And I'm hoping we'll have had a revolution by the time I come back from the outer fringes.

2nd April 2023, 01:50 AM	#218
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 27,397	Originally Posted by Vixen Ding-a-ling-a-ling! Lords, Ladies and Gentlemen…and <ahem> the little folk. I don’t wish to be a party pooper (thanks, Gulliver Foyle) but may I interrupt the Spam Fritter course and if you could all just put down your school milk for a moment. I should like to take this opportunity to commend King Charles the Third for his and his illustrious divine ancestors bringing our great nation together in one happy united family <sfx cat call ‘Get on with it!’> in having created the title Prince of Wales, which His Royal Highness has now handed over to the heir apparent, Prince William. How marvellous it is that Prince William is not just a Duke of some county here and there but an additional Prince of an entire block of counties – I mean, it’s only Wales after all! - which I am sure warms the heart of every Welshman to have us English rule over them! <sfx sound of violins commences; ducks volley of bread rolls> When you have eaten up your vegetables and all of the gristly bits, please form an orderly queue for the next course of lumpy semolina. <sfx crescendo as orchestra culminates in Land of Hope and Glory>. I mentioned that your king is a complete wanker right?
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2nd April 2023, 06:17 AM	#219
Myriad The Clarity Is Devastating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Betwixt Posts: 20,573	Originally Posted by Craig4 I mentioned that your king is a complete wanker right? I've heard tell that His Majesty is like a stream of bat piss.
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2nd April 2023, 08:20 AM	#220
Ryan O'Dine OD’ing on Damitol Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walk in an ever expanding Archimedean spiral and you'll find me eventually Posts: 2,313	Can I pick up my milk yet? My doctor put me on a strict all-school-milk diet, and I'm feeling a little faint.
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2nd April 2023, 09:52 AM	#221
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 67,069	My mother, who consumes Fox News and talk radio and has an irrational hatred for Meghan Markle as a result, told me yesterday that "Charles is going to have an informal coronation so none of the ladies can wear a tiara, just so Meghan Markle can't." She had no answer when I asked her when Charles would be brought to justice for murdering his first wife.
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2nd April 2023, 10:23 AM	#222
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 18,913	Originally Posted by Myriad I've heard tell that His Majesty is like a stream of bat piss. Does he shine out like a shaft of gold when all around it is dark?!
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2nd April 2023, 10:27 AM	#223
TheGoldcountry Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 7,918	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey So instead they're trying to compel Ian McKellan to perform the thing but he said he'd only do it if he can dress as Gandalf, and that's being debated with the ceremony wonks. If this actually happens, I will fully endorse also doing this for Presidential inaugurations, except it will be Keanu Reeves as Neo.
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2nd April 2023, 07:47 PM	#224
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,520	Originally Posted by Myriad I've heard tell that His Majesty is like a stream of bat piss. ******* close to water?
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2nd April 2023, 07:59 PM	#225
Robin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 14,971	Originally Posted by Craig4 I mentioned that your king is a complete wanker right? But to be fair to him he wishes he wasn't. He wishes he was a tampon.
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2nd April 2023, 08:08 PM	#226
Robin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 14,971	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey My mother, who consumes Fox News and talk radio and has an irrational hatred for Meghan Markle as a result, told me yesterday that "Charles is going to have an informal coronation so none of the ladies can wear a tiara, just so Meghan Markle can't." A barbie in the back yard. Everybody bring a cake or a salad and your favourite plonk. Folding chairs all laid out, the Casio in the corner so that whatever celebrity they managed to rope in can do a few songs. Chucky III shouts out "Hey Jussie! Tear yourself away from the game for a mo and put that crown on me." Justin takes a swig from his stubbie and tosses the crown over and says "There you are sport, go for your life". Quote: She had no answer when I asked her when Charles would be brought to justice for murdering his first wife. I thought that it was his dad driving the little Fiat.
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2nd April 2023, 08:12 PM	#227
Robin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 14,971	To be fair to him, he took it in good humour when Spike Milligan called him a little grovelling bastard. But I guess he couldn't have done much else.
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4th April 2023, 03:38 AM	#228
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,472	Originally Posted by Robin A barbie in the back yard. Everybody bring a cake or a salad and your favourite plonk. Folding chairs all laid out, the Casio in the corner so that whatever celebrity they managed to rope in can do a few songs. Chucky III shouts out "Hey Jussie! Tear yourself away from the game for a mo and put that crown on me." Justin takes a swig from his stubbie and tosses the crown over and says "There you are sport, go for your life". I thought that it was his dad driving the little Fiat. You, sir, are Mohammed Fayed and I claim my £5.

13th April 2023, 03:16 AM	#229
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 33,526	People who were angry at the thought of Meghan Markle turning up: People who are angry that she is not turning up:
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13th April 2023, 03:58 AM	#230
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 67,069	I heard that Meghan's going to hold her own coronation at home and invite tons of celebrity guests, a rival party to steal focus from Charles! She's booked a Spiderman impersonator and a clown, and there will be a bouncey castle and a petting zoo with mini-horses, and face painting and a make-your-own-sundae bar! It's going to be awesome. Charles is furious because he's not getting a bouncey castle, Camilla forgot to book one and it's too late now, you have to arrange in advance and put down a deposit. She said she'd get an inflatable swimming pool instead but Charles cried. It's all going wrong and he's not feeling like a real princess on his big day!
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13th April 2023, 07:20 AM	#232
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,549	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I heard that Meghan's going to hold her own coronation at home and invite tons of celebrity guests, a rival party to steal focus from Charles! She's booked a Spiderman impersonator and a clown, and there will be a bouncey castle and a petting zoo with mini-horses, and face painting and a make-your-own-sundae bar! It's going to be awesome. Charles is furious because he's not getting a bouncey castle, Camilla forgot to book one and it's too late now, you have to arrange in advance and put down a deposit. She said she'd get an inflatable swimming pool instead but Charles cried. It's all going wrong and he's not feeling like a real princess on his big day! That sounds much more fun, I'll go to that one. Provided the magic oil is fully vegan & properly sanctified by an appropriatly grand Poobar of course.
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13th April 2023, 08:40 AM	#233
aniri Scholar Join Date: Mar 2022 Posts: 61	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I heard that Meghan's going to hold her own coronation at home and invite tons of celebrity guests, a rival party to steal focus from Charles! She's booked a Spiderman impersonator and a clown, and there will be a bouncey castle and a petting zoo with mini-horses, and face painting and a make-your-own-sundae bar! It's going to be awesome. Charles is furious because he's not getting a bouncey castle, Camilla forgot to book one and it's too late now, you have to arrange in advance and put down a deposit. She said she'd get an inflatable swimming pool instead but Charles cried. It's all going wrong and he's not feeling like a real princess on his big day! If it's true, it's absolutely disgusting.
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13th April 2023, 10:24 AM	#234
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 67,069	Originally Posted by aniri If it's true, it's absolutely disgusting. What, that Charles doesn't like swimming? He's okay with floating in the pool if he has those floaty arm things on, but he freaks out if his face goes under the water. Then he throws a tantrum and is all tired out well before nap time. Uneasy lies the head that weareth the crown, and so forth.
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13th April 2023, 12:27 PM	#235
aniri Scholar Join Date: Mar 2022 Posts: 61	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey What, that Charles doesn't like swimming? . No, that there are people who want to steal focus from others.
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13th April 2023, 12:53 PM	#236
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 67,069	Originally Posted by aniri No, that there are people who want to steal focus from others. You're just feeling torn between attending both events, aren't you? Well, if it helps make the decision easier Charles says they're having a choice of Mexican or Chinese, and Camilla's baking sugar cookies from her own recipe because Mary Berry threatened to put a curse on her if she used one of hers. Meghan's having typical Canadian fare: hot dogs, hamburgers, potato chips, alligator sandwiches, zesty curry salmon spheres, and hot fruit. Charles will give out a door prize of a crown jewel to whoever gets the lucky ticket, but Meghan's guests will each receive a gift bag full of snack-size candy bars, fruit gummis, and a small LEGO toy. Charles is too old for video games so there won't be any, but Meghan's hooking up her Wii to a big screen TV so people can play Wii tennis and bowling.
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