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16th August 2013, 09:37 AM | #81 |
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Maybe Bigfoot has an invisibility field around him if no one can take clear pictures:
As far as the picture and video from Chris goes...it's too indistinct. I see no movement aside from the camera shaking like a leaf. It could be almost anything. |
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16th August 2013, 10:37 AM | #84 |
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What you're mistaking for movement here are camera jiggle, and changes in focus and zoom that affect the outline. If you pay more attention to the negative space, especially at the sides, you'll see that the dark thing doesn't go anywhere. It looks like a stump to me.
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16th August 2013, 11:06 AM | #85 |
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@Night Walker, I was basically just turning Chris's own quote around on him, the one where he said he can't discuss anatomy.
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16th August 2013, 11:57 AM | #89 |
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What in the world are you on about? Home range? "would have been detected as well"? What sort of rational discussion is that?
How could bigfoot just be a different gorilla species? What is known? Is this a high school discussion in the cafeteria? Gorillas couldn't hide in Kentucky. Neither could bigfoot. Anyone who thinks they could is delusional, imo. |
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16th August 2013, 12:01 PM | #90 |
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Yes. It looks like a stump. If there's movement of the "subject", I can't detect it.
Let's have some stills from different angles of the spot. I am beginning to think this this guy is a chain puller. No one, who is rational, could believe that is a family of primates, imo. I am about done humoring this guy. |
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16th August 2013, 12:23 PM | #95 |
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Chris is of the opinion that we're the dishonest ones, according to his comment at the BFF.
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I'm beginning to think that he thinks it's funny to lead us on...
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16th August 2013, 01:42 PM | #98 |
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No, but I do think it's funny when I am admonished by a member that: "You have no idea about primate anatomy" etc.. while in the same post they link to a pic of a Chimpanzee and try to tell me it's a Cross River Gorilla.
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In the meantime they've discovered the Olinguito just recently, and it didn't take them too long once they started looking. And still no physical trace of the much larger Bigfoot. Believer's gonna believe.
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16th August 2013, 04:55 PM | #100 |
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I took the wiki member's word for it without examining the photo (viewing only the small thumbnail version on the CR gorilla wiki page), and admitted the error the instant I discovered it. You lied and pretended you knew all along it was a chimp, and when members here caught you in the lie you dug in your heels and refused to admit error.
Despite my mistake, my points remain: you don't have any expertise in primate anatomy and your style of argumentation is to ignore effective rebuttals to your invented garbage and to pretend you never make mistakes. Good luck with that! |
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16th August 2013, 06:22 PM | #102 |
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He came here for a rebuttal of Munns' presentation, got several and waved them off, still asking for a rebuttal. Squatchy.
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16th August 2013, 07:21 PM | #105 |
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I vaguely remember seeing what I thought was a different version of this on the BFF years ago. In that one I did see what looked like something reaching backwards. In this I can't see anything but the stationary dark spot with lighter branches in front that are moving. Is it the same video with different contrast?
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16th August 2013, 07:35 PM | #106 |
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I would cut Chris some slack, for Gimlin was also armed and he had a much clearer shot at Patty. The PGF could have mirrored the Zapruder Film, but Gimlin didn't want to risk blowing Bob H's brains all over Bluff Creek.
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This is the point at which magic enters the picture. Not exactly the same sort of magic where bigfoots come and go between different realities, although some are not above using that form of "now you see me, now you don't because I'm cloaked", but more along the lines of magically creating a biological creature that is possessed of magical abilities. Such as the ability to be as smart as humans, or smarter than them, yet don't ever progress from the dumb hairy beast that lives in freezing cold weather, stinks to high heaven, has to chase down deer and bash them in order to eat, yet somehow are smart enough to realize that they should hide from humans in a way that no other creature has ever learned to do. Not even the animals that we have hunted for food for eons. Not even the animals that we have hunted to extinction. For a creature that we have no record of ever having hunted, the bigfoot, to have evolved such a unique and unprecedented ability to hide from humans, is pure magic creation. It defies all logic.
It's also magic to create the behavior where bigfoots hide their footprints. Again, unprecedented in the animal kingdom, yet again somehow the bigfoots have some instinctive knowledge that they must hide from humans, for who knows what reason, and so they go through their day to day amblings trying to avoid leaving tracks so in the even some human might venture deep into the forest they won't find tracks. I hate to sound rude, but this sort of thing is insane thinking. Especially when you examine what many believers consider to be legitimate evidence, evidence that completely contradicts these outlandish theories of avoidance, fear and stealth. Blatantly obvious prints, sightings and so on. Throwing rocks and pine cones. Territorial displays, rummaging through garbage cans, doing the highway dash, imitating a deer in the headlights, but oh wait, they are endowed with incredible intelligence, an instinct to hide their tracks, are forest ninjas. Really, bigfoots really are supposed to think about hiding their tracks so humans won't know they exist? For no historical reason whatsoever? I've always loved the idea of substituting gorillas for sasquatch when discussing their ability to go undetected because I think we all kind of realize it would be impossible to keep thousands of gorillas hidden in the forests here. So that's where the magic HAS to come in, there has to be magic to hide a thousand gorillas in the US. |
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Exactly! This kind of stuff is why I always call BS on these kinds of encounters. Cases in point, people see bears, big bears, mean bears, bears known to kill and eat people, yet when seen at OVE 100 yards, and videotaped, people will still move just a bit closer, see if they can get a bit of a response, and only retreat when they get an aggressive response. It happens with lions, rhinos, elephants, all manner of beasts known ot kill people, yet people always manage to push just a bit further, to push the limits just a bit more to get just a bit more video. But never with bigfoot. Never with the animal that has never been known to do any harm to people, never a documented attack, never a person bitten, bruised, arms broken, nothing.
So I just don't buy the excuse offered at all. These guys see a dark spot in the bushes over a hundred yards away, assume it is alive, assume it is a bigfoot, and because it is a bigfoot it needs to be retreated from, because you know, if it were a bigfoot, and they did pursue it, they might get some actual footage of the hairy giant in action. But nope, turn and run away and make lousy stories about why they only got pareidolia images. This story, and the video don't pass the BS test at all. |
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Chris, when you address how the jigsaw stitching on the Gemora ape suit exactly matches the funny shapes on Patty's right thigh, and acknowledge that the Cross River gorilla was identified as a western gorilla as early as 1904, before being designated as a distinct subspecies 100+ years later, then you can get away with casting flippant aspersions referencing "intellectual kiddie pools".
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This acceptance of what must be magical is not unlike the beliefs of Christianity which is also a common belief among Bigfooters. It appears to me that the presence of Christians into Bigfootery is greater than that of the population in general. They would probably agree that the world was and is different than the views of scientists and so called skeptics.
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Chris, if I have missed something up thread then I apologize, but I scrolled up a few pages and the only mention that I can see from you is that your bio is brief and personal information is something you do not wish to share. Yet your bio does not mention any work at a primate research center. So your claim to such is simply along the lines of, " I did it, but I don't want to talk about it?" Other than, of course, to bring it up here in the first place? But when pressed for details, you clam up? Surely you can see how that looks?
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17th August 2013, 04:50 PM | #119 |
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This is a common mistake among skeptics. They tend to classify Bigfooters along with a faith based religion of one type or the other.
Many witnesses of bigfoot are eye witnesses. The same can't be said of faith based beliefs. There is no reference to bigfoot in the Bible. Maybe the odd hairy child being born once in a while, or giants, but not definitively Bigfoot. Granted, those who are only looking at what evidence is available for bigfoot without having an actual visual encounter may believe that there's a good chance the creature exists without ever having seen one. There are none in that classification that have "0" doubts though. Am I a Christian? I was raised as a Baptist but do not attend any church. I am certain evolution is the correct path as I have witnessed evidence of parallel evolution. Namely that of a large bipedal primate. I consider myself a "knower" rather than a "believer" because I have actually witnessed the creatures personally. It would seem I'm in a hostile environment. By my being here it seems many must feel threatened because I've witnessed the very thing they deny. By attacking me or my mental state, they seem to feel more secure in their disbelief. That's unfortunate because I really wish everyone could experience an encounter on their own. Not on some pay-per-trek bigfoot adventure ripoff, but experience them by doing the homework, finding a good area and making treks into that area. That is the way to solve the mystery. Even if you think there is no bigfoot, a little exercise isn't gonna hurt. Some time spent in nature is a good thing. Critical thinking implies an open mind to discovery, not a closed book denial. Now, can we please get on another subject besides myself. |
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