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18th August 2013, 05:53 PM | #201 |
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What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break? |
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18th August 2013, 06:35 PM | #203 |
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Thank you. I also agree the pics are of no quality and are not proof of existence for Bigfoot.
The main problem was the equipment. I used a small Jazzy brand pocket camcorder. It was about $30 I think and about the size of a pack of cigarettes. This was a huge mistake and I am aware of it. I think it was 640x480 resolution. I have purchased since then a Sony HD cam that uses hard disc as well as a data card storage. The new cam is fully capable of recording 1080 HD video and uses manual or digital zoom. Now all I need is for the hairy ones to cooperate with another sighting. |
18th August 2013, 06:41 PM | #204 |
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18th August 2013, 06:41 PM | #205 |
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Agreed here. For me it comes down to leprechauns and unicorns. What's reasonable according to the evidence? Can we reasonably say that leprechauns and unicorns are impossible animals, that none exist and none have ever existed? Given the paucity of evidence for them despite many sighting?
Or must we allow that, well, after all, "leprechauns and unicorns might exist"? If someone demands the latter, I opt not to engage in discussion. That may be skepticism in its most cynical form, but it isn't critical or rational thinking to ignore the lack of data after decades if not centuries of looking for it. Scat, hair, tissue, fluids, fossils: the forests would be teeming with it. Like the single wolverine that wandered into northern California and was photographed by researchers' trail cams (who were researching another animal), bigfoot would eventually have been clearly photographed or found by now. With thousands of park rangers, hikers, bikers, biologists, outdoors enthusiasts, archeologists on local digs, wildlife hobbyists, Native Americans -- nationwide in every woodland in the country -- something concrete would have turned up. Sorry, Chris. It's no longer rationally possible that the species exists. |
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18th August 2013, 06:56 PM | #206 |
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Nothing is being dodged. I posted up thread very clearly I will not post my personal details on the internet for the World to see. Will you?
If you wanna have a one on one conversation simply call me. My sightings hotline number is on my website for all to see. If it's really bothering you I'll give you the details over the phone as long as you don't post my personal info on the forum. No prob. |
18th August 2013, 07:10 PM | #207 |
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Bolding mine. Funny thing is I'm starting to think you needed help.
Wouldn't you agree that by listing my name and research number, I'm already miles ahead of everyone else here about releasing personal info? There is a point you know. Who are you? I dunno? Doesn't really matter I guess but it's kinda odd all those wanting to milk specifics about me when they don't even give their name? How much weight do you think an anonymous poster has in the big picture. Not much. You got the number , make the call. I'm not a meanie and I promise to remain civil, heck I think my posts here should be a good indicator of that. |
18th August 2013, 07:15 PM | #208 |
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You made the claim here
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I have no desire to interact with you over the phone Chris.. truth be told.. I really don't even care if you worked there or not. It's immaterial to whether you're seeing Bigfoot in Kentucky (you're not.) or whether the PGF is a hoax (it is). |
18th August 2013, 07:20 PM | #209 |
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If you are going to place a bet - always put your money on The Bigfoot Knower Isn't Being Honest. This is actually a better bet than that they are innocently mistaken. I'm not saying 100% but rather the safest bet.
Chris, your arguments, analogies and pleadings are all worthless excuses. The world in general is beyond trying to reason with Bigfooters and instead just laughs at their silly and lost thinking. People on this forum give Footers much more attention than they deserve. It's pretty much a fool's quest to try to reason with a Bigfoot believer. I have come to a point where I do not want believers to switch to skepticism. Stay where you are please. Outright denialism is the only rational position on Bigfoot, IMO. |
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18th August 2013, 07:54 PM | #210 |
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18th August 2013, 08:35 PM | #211 |
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18th August 2013, 09:05 PM | #212 |
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18th August 2013, 09:11 PM | #213 |
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Hellfire I like me some kryptozolagy an I done seen a bunch of pikturs of 'em on the enternet on my cumputer... So ther!!
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19th August 2013, 12:05 AM | #214 |
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Perhaps more important to its HD capacity and storage specs is something else... To what distance is the camera capable of taking reliable photographs? The reason I ask this is that proponents of Bigfoot like to go on about the elusiveness of the species should it existence, so the only reliable way to photograph one is at a distance.
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Edited to add: As a side, I'd advise abandoning the contention that Indian legends are any kind of evidence for Bigfoot. The tribes didn't exist in a vacuum and did a lot of trading with eachother for goods and ideas, even had full out warfare with eachother, long before ole Pale Face came to America. It's highly likely that any legends that don't have to be shoehorned to fit Bigfoot probably was shared a few times. |
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Why were no Bigfoot bodies found during the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918? The Spanish Flu killed 50 million - 100 million people worldwide. The bodies piled up so quickly that there wasn't enough room in the morgues, so the bodies were stacked like logs. There weren't enough coffins or gravediggers to deal with the influx of bodies.
Furthermore, recent studies have shown that monkeys are susceptible to the Spanish Flu as well. There's no reason to believe that a human/simian primate would be immune to the Spanish Flu. Birds and swine are susceptible to it as well, and research suggests that the virus originated within animal populations and was then transmitted to humans. Why weren't there any Bigfoot bodies found in the years before or after 1918? Why weren't there any "hairy men" found disabled by the flu, coughing themselves to death, with bloody foam coming from their noses and mouths? Presumably if Bigfoot were near sudden death (the flu could kill victims hours after the first symptoms while some lived up to 2 days) it would forget all about being crafty and stealthy and lie down somewhere to focus on breathing and not dying. If Bigfoot were turning blue in the face and coughing so hard that it tore abdominal muscles, that would make it much easier for us to find Bigfoot and much harder for it to hide. |
19th August 2013, 12:49 AM | #216 |
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No I don't! What on earth gave you that idea?
Here's the logic: It is possible there are (whatever) living in the USA. It is possible they are mobile. Therefore, it is possible that one or more might wander into (anywhere) temporarily. Therefore a breeding population isn't required locally to explain their (temporary) presence anywhere. My problem was only with the illogicality of the perfunctory statement "it's impossible" in the specific circumstances it related to (here). I don't have the slightest problem accepting that all sorts of things are impossible. Mike |
19th August 2013, 03:30 AM | #217 |
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Sorry Chris, but I think I speak for the group that we don't understand how describing your experience working with apes is any more personal information than what you already volunteer in your bio. You served in the Air Force (thank you for that), you are or were a teacher, and you are or were in manufacturing. If you list these things, then why not include a description of your experience in the one job that might actually give you some chops in the study of large primates? Your reluctance to do so forces me to conclude that you either made up or massively trumped up that experience to lord one over on those evil denialists at the JREF, and go brag about it on the BFF.
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19th August 2013, 04:06 AM | #218 |
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Oh come on....be logical! I don't think I have ever dragged out the "straw-man" accusation before, but I'm going to use it this time. You have just created a straw man.
OS doesn't need to find the Ostman encounter to be credible at all to support the claim he makes regarding native legends. He simply cites Ostman as a source for the claim that native legends include reports of a BF-like creature. This needs no reference whatsoever to Ostman's story of an encounter. I accept wholeheartedly that Ostman isn't a very strong source, and certainly not one that many would cite. In my view, as a source, his recollection of native legends is little more than rumour or gossip. But nonetheless, you muddy the waters by making illogical attacks like yours. Mike |
19th August 2013, 04:31 AM | #219 |
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OntarioSquatch has made posts here in the past about Bigfoot kidnapping people. The Albert Ostman tale is a Bigfoot kidnapping story..
Not sure what you're objection is. |
19th August 2013, 04:37 AM | #220 |
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My objection is that OS this time cites Ostman solely as a source to corroborate the claim that BF is indeed included in native legends. The stuff about the kidnapping and so on are utterly irrelevant to Ostman being a source.
This forum often asks for sources for claims/ assertions. OS just gave one. We aren't talking about the other things Ostman claimed, just the fact that he said that local natives had stories of sasquatch. Your correct response should have been along the lines of "yeah, but has Ostman got any credibility as a source?" rather than "oh, so you believe in kidnapping stories?" Mike |
19th August 2013, 04:50 AM | #221 |
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19th August 2013, 04:53 AM | #222 |
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The "encounter" bit is irrelevant, and is the straw-man.
If you had said "why do you find Ostman to be a credible source", you would have heard nothing from me. |
19th August 2013, 05:03 AM | #223 |
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Ostman is not credible, Bigfoot doesn't exist, and Bigfoot doesn't kidnap people. Also, there are no Native American legends which can be credibly tied to Bigfoot. None of them hold comparison when scrutinized.
Spare me your philosophical arguments or lessons in semantics |
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19th August 2013, 06:48 AM | #226 |
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MikeG can walk you through the appropriate logical deductions and philosophical arguments for the most reliable estimate
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19th August 2013, 07:12 AM | #227 |
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Myths are fascinating bitches.
They will tell you what you want to hear, they will show you what you want to see. If you are looking for bigfoot in that wildman myth, that's what you'll see. If you are looking for werewolves, that's what you'll see. Footers just grab the bits of the myths that suit their needs of bigfoot and move on, claiming its "compelling evidence". The conection exists because they build it. Just like Coatlicue can be connected to the Virgin Mary. |
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19th August 2013, 08:55 AM | #229 |
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You may want to revisit the observation methods used by Gorilla researchers. Your new camera is a step in the right direction. Sadly, I expect that if you ever do post new pictures some day, they won't be any better. Bigfoot research is strange that way. |
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19th August 2013, 09:25 AM | #231 |
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Apparently not in 2013 either, even with modern firesticks and night eyes, and thermal scopes. Can't bag the werewolve, errr bigfoot. They haven't tried silver bullets? lol. Bigfooters seem to ignore common sense and logic. Critical thinking skills are not high on the list of the bigfootery bible. Their high priest Meldrum is a fine example of this. Apparently the giant naked beast is very stealth like. It spends its days being stealth. And blurry. Thats what bigfeet do man. |
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19th August 2013, 09:57 AM | #232 |
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19th August 2013, 11:56 AM | #234 |
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Chris, you made sure this thread was about you, so save the sob story. Ain't our fault you got caught lying...
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19th August 2013, 12:03 PM | #235 |
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Asking ppl to post their address because you said you'd done Gorrilla research but can't provide any details? lol. I'll call u.
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19th August 2013, 12:05 PM | #236 |
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What was the number...? Will you answer specific details if I call you, Chris? btw, I'm Michael John Gilchrist, anything else?
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19th August 2013, 12:13 PM | #237 |
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Chris claims to have worked at Alamogordo Primate Research Facility in New Mexico, where there are captive, African primates?
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Drew, I think the years spent scooping up chimp poop has somehow given Chris the ability to see a dark tree stump for what it really is--a lurking Sasquatch!
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19th August 2013, 01:18 PM | #239 |
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Chris, my location is under my pic, I just gave you my name, do you want anymore details? Let's natter on the dog 'n' bone, eh?
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19th August 2013, 01:23 PM | #240 |
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If anyone cares to make a list of questions to ask Chris, pm me. Chris, feel free to pm a time/date, along with a contact #.
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