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Old 15th August 2018, 02:46 PM   #241
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank View Post
A lot of you need to get it through your heads that a substantial (and growing) number of whites on this planet simply will not permit ourselves to become minorities in the societies our ancestors built for us.

We will not share our territory with infinite brown hordes who come here and make our formerly nice neighborhoods into dirty, violent places or even (best case scenario) just make them feel significantly different than what they were before and what we prefer and what we feel comfortable with.

The moment when we simply say "no more" is coming. We may have to give up some territory, maybe a lot of it, but we will have our own spaces again. THAT is what is right and fair.
Y'all can find some nice space at one of the LaGrange points.
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I was attempting to point out that there isn't an African country free of the legacy of colonialization to compare former colonies too.
Ah, yes.
Sorry about that!
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Originally Posted by autumn1971 View Post
Y'all can find some nice space at one of the LaGrange points.
Personally, I think the surfaces of the planet Venus, and/or Jupiter’s moon Io are more appropriate places for those of this ilk ...
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Originally Posted by carlvs View Post
Personally, I think the surfaces of the planet Venus, and/or Jupiter’s moon Io are more appropriate places for those of this ilk ...
I think this attitude reflects a bit of the source of some of our problems.

Although the underlying attitude of "racial superiority" that is apparent in Skeptic Tanks' posts may be abhorrent, his/her arguments are typically thought out, logically sound to a point, at least partially backed up by evidence, and reflective of the attitudes of a great number of people (people who have as much right to their biases as anyone else does).

It is one thing to respond to someone who asserts something along the lines of " all ******* should be hung from the nearest tree ", with something like " go to hell ", quite another to give essentially the same response to someone who clearly expresses how he/she feels about a particular issue and why.

Disregarding another groups arguments and attitudes out of hand -especially while simultaneously asserting what can be interpreted as special consideration for the pleas of another group- seems an unlikely strategy to make progress towards some type of workable progress for all involved. Instead it seems more likely to push the first group into more deeply entrenched opposition to compromise.
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Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman View Post
The "nation of immigrants" is again a post ww2 construct, and for all the talk of "diverse and progressive futures", that is again an construct of the post 1945 order, itself an historical aberration. What happens when that comes crashing down? Yugoslavia and Brazil are disturbing portents of what is to come and ffs Europe, the land of civic virtue, is sliding back into fascism because a few brown people showed up.
Yep one of america's proudest moments should be when we stood up to Hitler in 1938 and said " We will not take your jews, you are just going to have to find your own solution to this jewish problem". Imagine if we had let Anne Frank in, she would never have been a famous author. Sending the jews back to germany for them to deal with was the right thing to do.

That is when america was great!
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Can Chinese immigrants become Americans? Can the children of Chinese become Americans?
That is as crazy as thinking the Irish, Italians or those inferior swarthy germans can be real americans.

Our founding fathers knew that germans were just not white enough to be true americans.

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"Which leads me to add one Remark, that the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny; Asia chiefly tawny; America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians, and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who, with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased"

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Gallup says Democrats have a more positive view of socialism then they do capitalism, 57% to 47%. Odd that Democrats prefer starvation and misery over plenty to eat and prosperity. Krugman blames the GOP for this, but he would...
I mean sure there is plenty of food, you just are starving because you can't afford it and they poisoned your water supply. That is how everyone really wants to live after all.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Yep one of america's proudest moments should be when we stood up to Hitler in 1938 and said " We will not take your jews, you are just going to have to find your own solution to this jewish problem". Imagine if we had let Anne Frank in, she would never have been a famous author. Sending the jews back to germany for them to deal with was the right thing to do.

That is when america was great!
Ah yes, FDR. That great American Democrat and progressive hero, still revered to this day.
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The people who made the history are dead. It is a sunk cost. I don't care what attachment people have to history Y.
And yet, many calls to action are predicated upon what are perceived to be historical injustices. One can either jettison history as a justification for policy, or recognize it as an integral part of current events. Cherry picking what matters historically and what does not seems logically unsound.
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Old Yesterday, 07:10 AM   #250
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
And yet, many calls to action are predicated upon what are perceived to be historical injustices. One can either jettison history as a justification for policy, or recognize it as an integral part of current events. Cherry picking what matters historically and what does not seems logically unsound.
Unless you conclude none of it matters, then you have to pick and choose which history is important and which is not. It's not possible to consider all of history, in part because nobody knows all of history. So selective consideration is unavoidable. One can argue about what criteria one should use for selection, but the only alternative to selectivity is to ignore all of it, which doesn't sound like the position you're advocating for.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Ah yes, FDR. That great American Democrat and progressive hero, still revered to this day.
It is interesting that African Americans started voting democrat while the Democrats were still the racist party. Its almost like they thought the other policies of the party outweighed the clear racism that remained for another 30 years.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Unless you conclude none of it matters, then you have to pick and choose which history is important and which is not. It's not possible to consider all of history, in part because nobody knows all of history. So selective consideration is unavoidable. One can argue about what criteria one should use for selection, but the only alternative to selectivity is to ignore all of it, which doesn't sound like the position you're advocating for.
I was replying to a post which seemed to be saying that " none of it matters ". Not a position I advocate, however, I also recognize that using a selected incident or policy to justify a viewpoint while ignoring other policies or incidents that are intertwined is pretty weak sauce when advocating for action in the present.
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I mean sure there is plenty of food, you just are starving because you can't afford it and they poisoned your water supply. That is how everyone really wants to live after all.
The invisible hand of the free market will obviously bring financial ruin to those businesses that abuse the commons in such a manner- maybe even before you succumb to the poison in the water, so that you may die knowing that justice was served.
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More and more I'm convinced that a sizable chunk of the population at the very least doesn't want things to get their version of better and in some cases even actively work against making things better because they are terrified of waking up one morning and not having anything to be outraged over.

I am firmly convinced that many of you would rather be in a dystopia than a utopia because there's nothing to be outraged about in a utopia.
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More and more I'm convinced that a sizable chunk of the population at the very least doesn't want things to get their version of better and in some cases even actively work against making things better because they are terrified of waking up one morning and not having anything to be outraged over.

I am firmly convinced that many of you would rather be in a dystopia than a utopia because there's nothing to be outraged about in a utopia.
I don't think it's the outrage itself that people crave. It's status. This manifests as outrage because being outraged is an easy way for leftists to gain status. But it's a positional good: to be higher status, you have to be more outraged. If everything is going well, then that threatens the status of people who built their status on outrage.

And people don't react well to a loss of status.
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I don't think it's the outrage itself that people crave. It's status. This manifests as outrage because being outraged is an easy way for leftists to gain status. But it's a positional good: to be higher status, you have to be more outraged. If everything is going well, then that threatens the status of people who built their status on outrage.

And people don't react well to a loss of status.
The rise of the Trumpsters in a nutshell.
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The rise of the Trumpsters in a nutshell.
And the response to it rolled into one.

Don't kid yourself. It's the loss of status that has the left freaked out about Trump, not anything else.
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Loss of what status?

How would you differentiate between this loss of status and genuine outrage at what Trump is up to?
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
And the response to it rolled into one.

Don't kid yourself. It's the loss of status that has the left freaked out about Trump, not anything else.
Your argument seems to boil down here to a description of our current situation as "politics as usual"; both sides fighting to promote their vision of "utopia", or at least to prevent the "other side" from imposing their version.

As "the Left", I find the current situation to be outside the boundaries of "politics as usual". The administration and its Rep base is no longer negotiating in good faith.
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Your argument seems to boil down here to a description of our current situation as "politics as usual";
Not at all, quite the reverse. The left hasn't faced a potential loss of status like this in living memory. This is very much not "as usual".

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both sides fighting to promote their vision of "utopia"
Not really. Both sides are fighting for status.

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As "the Left", I find the current situation to be outside the boundaries of "politics as usual". The administration and its Rep base is no longer negotiating in good faith.
People don't generally negotiate over the issue of status. They fight for it. Democrats are used to negotiating with Republicans over policy, because status wasn't at stake.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
And the response to it rolled into one.

Don't kid yourself. It's the loss of status that has the left freaked out about Trump, not anything else.
That and the country is being run by an ignorant buffoon and changing cast of hangers on.
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Not at all, quite the reverse. The left hasn't faced a potential loss of status like this in living memory. This is very much not "as usual".



Not really. Both sides are fighting for status.



People don't generally negotiate over the issue of status. They fight for it. Democrats are used to negotiating with Republicans over policy, because status wasn't at stake.
Your argument rings hollow with me. I am, demographically, someone who should (by that metric) be behind the Trumpsters all the way (I am an old white man, lower middle class to working poor, non college educated, from a rust belt State) . I have seen the quality of life for myself decline due (partially) to the decline of US manufacturing while simultaneously getting accused of experiencing "white privileges". Yet, I reject vociferously a fictitious restoration of that lost "status".

You may, of course, assert that argument from analogy, or personal experience, carries little weight. Yet, I find it a sufficient counter to a bald assertion.
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Often times when I say complain about the outrage machine the response will be a "So you're saying everything is fine" style retort.

Showy, pretentious, internet style outrage has nothing to do anything actually wrong. It doesn't make anything better it just makes the outraged person feel good and better than everybody else who isn't as outraged and like all drugs after a while the hit has to be stronger and stronger and more and more frequent.

But no people like the OP and others who seem to think they will slip into a coma and die if they haven't been reminded of how horrible the other side so they can't get up on a soapbox about it in the past five minutes are not justified even if, and this is the part that people seem to miss, even if the other side really is that bad.

Going on the internet with a chip on your shoulder, casting an obvious baiting "Wow group so and so sure is bad huh?" line into the water knowing full well a fish is gonna bite, just so you can reel the fish in to use it as a totem to symbolically to focus all your now justified rage on is just stupid and childish.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
I don't think it's the outrage itself that people crave. It's status. This manifests as outrage because being outraged is an easy way for leftists to gain status. But it's a positional good: to be higher status, you have to be more outraged. If everything is going well, then that threatens the status of people who built their status on outrage.

And people don't react well to a loss of status.
Only leftists? A fair chunk of the Brexit vote was down to rightists being outraged at immigration to the UK.
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If you're going to cite whiteness as a factor in what makes some former colonies like Botswana and Zambia nicer than others, what excuses does one need for Somalia, Zaire, Zimbabwe, and the like?
In the case of Somalia, it's a case that you have a country that is doomed to economic problems because the land itself is so poor; not much good farm land and little in the way of other natural resouces.
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I am firmly convinced that many of you would rather be in a dystopia than a utopia because there's nothing to be outraged about in a utopia.
Humans are hard-wired for a constant state of conflict; which is both a blessing and a curse.

We start living in constant conflict with our parents, and that leads us out into the world, and conflicts with the whole village cause us to colonize the planet.

We just don't play well enough with one another for "world peace". It's a nice fairytale, but one we just don't have the capacity to sustain.

When we find a system of doing anything that works for everyone, it doesn't change any more. We continue to use that system forever...or until someone claims it doesn't work for them; and that causes a conflict, which leads to new ways of doing things -and simultaneously "breaks" the system for everyone that was happy with the way it was.

But, for some reason, those affected badly are never supposed to say so. I think that's the part that sticks in my craw.
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That and the country is being run by an ignorant buffoon and changing cast of hangers on.
And it's not just liberals who think that;there is a growing conservative opposition to Trump. There argument is that whatever gains might be made (Tax cuts, supreme court justices) are going to be greatly outweighed by the damage that Trump's other policies his deliberate use of bigotry as a political weapon to divide America and his obvious Authoratarian longings will do to the country.
That the problem;many conseravties just refuse to see the damage that Trump is doing to the USA because they are distracted by the bright shiny toys Trump throws their way.
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Cinco De Mayo has become baiscallya Mexican American St Patrick's Day.
and an excuse for Anglos to go out and eat Mexican Food.
BTW,it was a pretty big deal in California for some time.
Cinco de Mayo has been huge in California for 40 or 50 years, at least.
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I don't think it's the outrage itself that people crave. It's status. This manifests as outrage because being outraged is an easy way for leftists to gain status. But it's a positional good: to be higher status, you have to be more outraged. If everything is going well, then that threatens the status of people who built their status on outrage.

And people don't react well to a loss of status.
Have you ever watched Fox News?

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Only leftists?
Not only, but it's certainly more pronounced on the left than the right.
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It doesn't matter if the "other side" is outraged 100000% as much as you or .00000001% as much as you.

"Outrage" is just a self feeding state of pretentious anger that makes you feel like you are accomplishing something when you aren't.

Outraged people already have their minds made up. The people who pop in on this board to be make sure we all know how outraged about whatever the Lib'tards or Republickers are on about this week already gave up on the other side. The other side is inhuman monsters who can't be saved and shouldn't be reasoned with.

And if you believe that what's the practical advantage in finding more examples of how justified the outrage you long ago decided you were gonna have is?

After something is proven you move on from "proving it" to "doing something about it."

But not with the Outraged. They just prove how bad the "other side" is over and over and over... and I guess that's the whole plan.
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I was replying to a post which seemed to be saying that " none of it matters ". Not a position I advocate, however, I also recognize that using a selected incident or policy to justify a viewpoint while ignoring other policies or incidents that are intertwined is pretty weak sauce when advocating for action in the present.
Mixing up two things. I didnt say policies or incidents didn't matter. I said the intent of dead people does not matter.
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