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28th December 2018, 07:46 AM | #801 |
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For an ideal case in point, Henri, look in a mirror.
I would sort of expect a doctor to know whether people, especially those who'd been brutally beaten, stabbed, etc., were actually dead or not. And given that he probably did know they were dead, I doubt if he really administered CPR as he claimed. |
28th December 2018, 08:36 AM | #802 |
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And as a doctor, he would know that you do not do CPR on a person unless they are on a flat surface, on their backs. Neither child was in that position. A doctor would also know that you do NOT remove a knife from a victim unless and/or until they are in surgery, where any bleeding could be immediately controlled if removal could "unplug" a hole in a blood vessel or internal organ.
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28th December 2018, 09:26 AM | #803 |
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You are not a medically qualified doctor. MacDonald explained exactly what happened with regard to the knife and CPR at the grand jury. It depends on the circumstances. There is some criticism of the North Carolina judicial system at this website which is relevant to the Mazerolle case and his supposedly 'airtight' alibi as one of the MacDonald murderers.:
http://www.ncpolicywatch.com/2018/03...stice-experts/
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There are people who think Hennis is innocent in that North Carolina death row case because of North Carolina forensic fraud:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/lies...ed-t10546.html
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28th December 2018, 12:46 PM | #805 |
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I musta hit a nerve, Henri(etta) never replied to my pointing out that the pajama bottoms as fiber sources was addressed and that Macdonald, realizing he can't change his DNA, changed his story (again) to match the evidence by claiming the hair in Colette's hand happened while he was moving her (took him decades to come up with a story!)
Oh, and Henri(etta), stop trying to derail the thread with Hennis. If you feel so strongly about that case, start a thread on it! |
28th December 2018, 12:57 PM | #806 |
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No.
Inmate told a story designed to cover up his criminal actions in murdering his family. Look it up for yourself. People that commit crimes have a tendency to lie if they believe it will get them off the hot seat. Your man crush is no exception. Show me a crime scene where an individual that presents the only viable threat to a criminal actor has minor wounds (and his were - sucking chest wounds sound impressive to laymen - anybody with basic military immediate action first aid training, not so much) and other victims that presented no threat are over-killed, the odds are that Mr. Lucky did the deed, not some "drug-crazed" hippie ********. |
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29th December 2018, 03:28 AM | #808 |
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It may be me but I can't see the exact reference where these North Carolina judges mention the pajama bottoms which were incompetently lost. It's not profound enough. The fibers found on the piece of 'lumber' which was the murder weapon were black wool fibers with no known source. That was a lie to the jury by Blackburn to say they were pajama fibers.
That hair in the left hand of Colette was unidentified for donkey's years until 2006 years, years after DNA analysis first became available, and by magic and forensic fraud. I don't know who wrote that 4th Circuit ruling. It sounds like Bruce or Murtagh to me. It has all been debunked in the past by Fred Bost. The Hennis case in North Carolina is very similar and relevant in a way to the MacDonald case. There was the same bad police work by the Army CID and manufactured evidence and forensic DNA fraud even if there was no mention of pajama fibers. These North Carolina judges are mistaken and unfair. You don't get a fair trial in North Carolina. There needs to be an impartial judge and jury on the MacDonald case which may never happen because of North Carolina politics. |
29th December 2018, 07:41 AM | #809 |
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While I am not a qualified MD, I am qualified in basic first aid and CPR (and maintained my quals over 40 years), and have a few friends who are doctors and EMTs. What Inmate says he did is in direct opposition to everything we were and are taught. I knew what he claimed he did during his so called attempts at CPR was ridiculous the first time I read about it.
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29th December 2018, 11:52 AM | #810 |
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Definitely you, try doing what I suggested: read the ENTIRE opinion, ALL the words, IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE WRITTEN.
Jeffrey Macdonald (forget Bost) now admits the hair in Colette's hand IS HIS. He came up with a reason for it to be there since he can't change his DNA. That makes anything Bost made up obviously made up. Hennis is a derailment attempt of the thread. If you want to discuss that murderer, start a thread on it. |
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29th December 2018, 02:21 PM | #812 |
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The landlord of MacFantasy Island will rinse and repeat debunked claims until he or she is worm food, but the 4th Circuit's decision has forever relegated this tactic to hollow chatter status. No more chances for the Ice Pick Baby Killer. No more appearances before a District or Circuit Court judge. Errol Morris, Harvey Silverglate, and a handful of other advocates have turned tail and run. They all know that they've had their butts kicked by the likes of Brian Murtagh, Paul Stombaugh, and Joe McGinniss. Keep running fellas, maybe you'll eventually be able to shake off the stink that comes from advocating for a mass murderer.
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30th December 2018, 04:18 AM | #813 |
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MacDonald has no way of proving the so-called MacDonald case DNA evidence was planted by corrupt forensic technicians who are not whiter than white. He can only try to think of some explanation assuming it's true. Fred Bost demolished all those 4th Circuit OPINIONS years ago in his Fred Bost short study which is on the internet.
Colette's mother and the babysitter committed perjury at the trial saying there was an icepick in the MacDonald apartment, which the 4th Circuit judges never mentioned in their latest ruling. This is a sensible website about all this: https://www.crimeandinvestigation.co...acdonald/trial
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The Fred Bost short study demolishes the opinions which are not based on something by these 4th Circuit judges. They should read it one day:
http://thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/h...ort-study.html |
30th December 2018, 09:59 AM | #815 |
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Every kind of corruption and abuse becomes rife in North Carolina if there is no public or media criticism. The MacDonald case is a public scandal.
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30th December 2018, 04:31 PM | #816 |
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Anyone else dig the irony of HM accusing every mother's son of lying about the murders where the only actual proven liar is their mancrush?
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There is an interesting discussion of the MacDonald case, and even of the JonBenet Ramsey case which I don't entirely agree with at this website:
https://www.billjamesonline.com/dr__jeffrey_macdonald/ Murtagh and Stombaugh and Malone and Joe McGinniss should have been charged with perverting the course of justice.
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It was strained logic and judicial illusion as Justice Marshall of the Supreme Court once reported about the MacDonald case. A judge in the UK has recently said that judges have been accused of living on a different planet.
I agree with what Bill James wrote in his article, though he is strangely not convinced of MacDonald's innocence. It's true that non lawyers think it's strange that the evidence against Helena Stoeckley was held in secret and that Judge Dupree seems to have been supported in that by some other federal judges, but there are other lawyers, not MacDonald defense lawyers, who think Dupree was "clearly erroneous" in not allowing the jury to hear the evidence against Stoeckley and her pals. Judge Fox and the 4th Circuit judges are biased as well. From that Bill James article:
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1st January 2019, 03:02 PM | #822 |
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Bill James is a baseball statistics guru who is currently employed by the Boston Red Sox. He has never been a police officer, detective, private investigator, lab technician or forensics expert. His opinions on the physical evidence in this case are worthless.
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2nd January 2019, 05:43 AM | #823 |
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Yes, you certainly can be unbelievably stupid AND ignorant.
No, he absolutely did not attempt CPR. IF he had attempted CPR then Kimmie and Kristy would have been on the floor on their backs. You cannot have it both ways henri - you cannot believe he did CPR AND believe that the hippies existed. You cannot perform CPR on a bed or soft surface - as a doctor inmate would KNOW that...they were found not just on but IN their beds and in Kimmie's case fully tucked in.... That is correct, HIS VICTIMS WERE DEAD AND HE DID NOT EVEN ATTEMPT CPR. No, that is not possible because (a) there was not such a thing as the "Stoeckly Seven" and (b) inmate himself slaughtered his family brutally. |
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Narcotics cops are not capable of solving difficult murders.
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No he made up a story....and anyone who has had even the most basic CPR training can see that it is a PHONEY story.
IF he had attempted CPR on Kimmie and Kristy THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE FLOOR ON THEIR BACKS. That the girls were found IN THEIR BEDS and COVERED UP any basically trained profiler would tell you that was an act of "undoing". Inmate slaughtered his children and then "tucked them in" as an act of undoing his horrific actions. NOT ONLY THAT BUT BASIC MOUTH TO MOUTH BREATHING WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPOSSIBLE ON KIMMIE SINCE HER BROKEN CHEEK BONE WAS PROTRUDING THROUGH THE SKIN OF HER FACE. The FACT is that even if inmate had bashed her in the head within steps of a high-tech high quality surgical suite with the best neurosurgeon in the world scrubbed and ready to operate Kimmie was unlikely to survive the wounds inmate inflicted and if she lived she'd have had no quality of life. I do not understand what about this murderer you find worth supporting. The FACTS are in but you choose to ignore them. Grow up! Inmate is guilty, he is where he belongs, and I hope Kimmie, Kristy, and Colette haunt him. |
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I'm not medically qualified but as I understand it the first thing you do in that kind of situation is to check the pulse and then attempt to free the airwaves. He was in a panic and devastated and any attempt at CPR could never have been performed under hospital conditions. It's a bit like slapping somebody on the back when they are choking to death.
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Henry: You should check out inmate's website. I'll give you a heads up, it is no more. Still waiting on that evidentiary item that was definitively sourced to a member of the Stoeckley Seven. Since 1982, that has been THE challenge for inmate's rotating band of lawyers and their failure to meet that challenge resulted in the 4th Circuit Court putting a final nail in their client's legal coffin. This stark reality is the main reason why you'll continue to focus on side and/or non-evidentiary issues.
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I AM CPR certified. The first thing you do is to check if the person is responsive....as in you shake them and ask loudly "are you all right?" Then you check for breathing and pulse. FYI it IS NOT "airwaves" that you are checking, people are not transistor radios. You always do the A, B, Cs = Airway, Breathing, and Circulation.
From the CPR manual: Every victim who requires cardiopulmonary resuscitation should be moved to a life support unit or hospital AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. This action should in no way interfere with starting appropriate basic life support at the scene, with stabilizing the victim prior to moving him/her, or with continuing basic and advanced life support during transportation. C=Circulation: Artificial Circulation (External Cardiac Compression) Cardiac arrest is recognized by pulselessness in an unconscious victim with a deathlike appearance and absent breathing. External Cardiac Compression consists of the rhythmic application of pressure over the lower portion of the sternum. When the hears is in cardiac arrest, properly performed external cardiac compression can produce systolic blood pressure peaks of over 100mm Hg. Effective performance of external cardiac compression requires more than just pushing on the chest. There are numerous small details that make the difference between effective and ineffective, safe and unsafe, proper and improper performance of external cardiac compression. STRICT ATTENTION SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE DETAILS. For external cardiac compression to be effective, the VICTIM MUST BE ON A FIRM SURFACE, SUCH AS THE GROUND, THE FLOOR, OR A SPINE BOARD ON A WHEELED LITTER. Most CPR is not done under hospital conditions that is why the manual makes sure to point out the simple process of starting CPR and it includes making sure that the victim is on a firm surface. Also, you cannot claim inmate to be "panicked and devastated" in this instance and then bring up all the "super doc" claims. if he was such a superior ER Doctor AND was truly one of the victims and not the perp then he would have reacted with his medical training first and then reacted in any emotional way (if he knew how) after the fact. Since they teach first responders to react first and get sick later if need be, I am certain they teach surgeons to do the same. IF you take the proper training then you KNOW that you don't just slap someone on the back if they are choking. The proper procedure is called the Heimlick Manuever. Also, at least her in the US many restaurants have a Heimlick poster prominently displayed. A surgeon would also know the proper manner of aiding a choking victim too. |
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BYN: I guess Henri forgot about the fact that inmate was called the "Rock" by the nuns at St. Mary's Hospital. This was due to his coolness and steadiness under pressure. I guess when you slaughter your family, all your medical training and coolness goes out the window.
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I find it interesting that the 4Th Circuit court gave all sorts of chances to MacDonald and his lawyers to present the evidence that would exonerate MacDonald and yet in the end slammed the door in his face.
I suspect that the Judges thought there may be a chance that MacDonald was innocent and perhaps were worried about an innocent man rotting in jail and so they threw MacDonald lifeline after lifeline. If I'm reading the decision correctly, it appears to me under the judicial prose is disappointment. It was like the court was saying: "After all the slack we gave you this is the best you can come up with?!". And it is interesting that even in their recent decision I think that the court gives too much credence to MacDonald and his Lawyer's arguments. (I.e., for example their handling of the folded pajama top evidence for one.) But despite all their indulgence to MacDonald and his Lawyers all the court gets is a stream of pathetic "evidence" etc., from them. And it appears that pissed off the 4th Circuit Court. |
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PACAL: I had a similar reaction when the 4th Circuit remanded the case to Judge Fox in 2011. This particular 4th Circuit Court appeared to have a soft spot for inmate, so they allowed inmate's lawyers to put forth evidentiary arguments that didn't past muster in prior 4th Circuit appellate hearings. Fortunately, Judge Fox was able to read the legal tea leaves, so he ordered an evidentiary hearing that would allow both the defense/government to present literally any type of case data at the week long hearing.
This hearing took place in 2012, and similar to their latter presentations to this 4th Circuit Court, the defense didn't come close to presenting the evidentiary goods. The defense knew that they faced a "daunting burden," yet they relied on 2nd and 3rd hand hearsay testimony at the hearing. Granted, they presented previously debunked evidentiary claims (e.g., unsourced hairs, fibers, wax, prints), but their burden was to produce evidence that was definitively sourced to an alternative suspect or suspects. I'm pleased that the 4th Circuit concurred with most of Judge Fox's conclusions and that they took the time to actually read the documented record. After listening to oral arguments in 2010 and 2017, I didn't feel that the 4th Circuit had gone beyond having a cursory knowledge of the facts of this case. Their 12/21/18 decision, however, convinced me that they decided to spend the next 23 months going over the documented record with a fine tooth comb. http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com |
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I believe it is probable that despite their belief that inmate MIGHT have some evidence to support his claims of innocence the 4th Circuit Court decided to give him a lot of rope. In the end, instead of coiling it neatly on top of evidence, the defense tied a hangman's knot and slipped it over inmate's head (metaphorically speaking).
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In terms of legal options, inmate has 3 roads to travel, and none of them have any REAL chance at success.
1) Appeal to the United States Supreme Court. COMMENT: Considering that this case has already been before the Supreme Court (e.g., 1977 and 1981), the possibility that they would even hear this case is remote. 2) Client can apply for parole in 2020, admit his guilt, and express remorse. COMMENT: In this scenario, inmate would be admitting to the parole board that he has been a habitual liar for the past 50 years. This includes his 2005 application for parole where he claimed he was "factually innocent." 3) Due to his stroke in the Fall/Winter of 2018, client can take the "compassionate release" approach and ask the parole board for an early release. COMMENT: This approach is usually reserved for those who are on death's door, but even this scenario does not have a high success rate. Prime example is mass murderer Susan Atkins who, unlike inmate, had a terminal illness. http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com |
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It's like Iranian justice.
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It is so nice to know that Justice has been done in this case. It is long past the time when this case should be considered closed. We KNOW he will never admit what he did but sentient beings who have read the evidence and reviewed the testimonies etc KNOW the truth and hopefully this is done.
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9th January 2019, 11:21 PM | #839 |
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Liar. No Sharia law has ever been applied in the Jeffrey Macdonald case and you know it. The closest thing to religion in this case happened well before the trial, when Colette and her daughters were buried.
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