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Old 14th January 2014, 05:21 AM   #41
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The film that they were watching was called Lone Survivor!

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Old 14th January 2014, 05:24 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by jeremyp View Post
You weren't taking your life in your hands. In England, it's illegal to carry firearms in public. Although, of course, you might have bled out after a freak paper cut from the box.
Or if the caramels had been in the fridge a long time, and the woman put them in her sock and hurled them at Rolfe.
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Old 14th January 2014, 05:25 AM   #43
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Well, I'm now distracted from this murder due to the huge Republican victory of getting our incandescent light bulbs back...
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Murder should be illegal regardless of the weapon used.
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Old 14th January 2014, 06:05 AM   #45
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How many will blithely say he deserved it just because texting during a movie is perhaps the most annoying thing someone can do during a movie short of trying to pluck claws off a rooster inside a megaphone?

Wait....I sort of sound like I condone this now.
Well if he was talking on a phone, maybe.

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It was during the previews. Not the movie.
Oh well in that case flogging would suffice.
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Old 14th January 2014, 06:06 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by RenaissanceBiker View Post
Murder should be illegal regardless of the weapon used.
But was this escalating conflict murder, or self defense against an aggressive young man terrifying an old man who was justified in shooting him?

Was he supposted to wait until after being curb stomped to defend himself?
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Does anyone think that Reeves left, not to get a manager, but to get his pistol?

That would probably elevate the charge to first degree murder.

There's something wrong with part of the story, though. As far as I know, texting is silent, so it's hard to believe that bit of the story is true. Texting is unlikely to be what disturbed the shooter. I'm thinking he must have actually been talking on the phone.

Of course, the shooter is obviously crazy, so who knows what might set him off?
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Old 14th January 2014, 06:26 AM   #48
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if it was only during the previews then it does sound like a massive over-reaction (on both sides but one side had a gun which allowed them to over-react more than the other :P)

If it had been during the film I'd have more sympathy with the shooter and less with the deceased, that's just rude.

I'd quite like to have the quiet carriages on trains enforced by guards with firearms...
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Old 14th January 2014, 06:28 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
There's something wrong with part of the story, though. As far as I know, texting is silent, so it's hard to believe that bit of the story is true. Texting is unlikely to be what disturbed the shooter. I'm thinking he must have actually been talking on the phone.
It can be annoying if the person in front of you is shining his/her cell phone in your face while you're watching a movie. If the guy had been courteous enough to keep in in his lap instead of eye level...

(Speculation on my part, speaking from experience.)
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Old 14th January 2014, 06:31 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
There's something wrong with part of the story, though. As far as I know, texting is silent, so it's hard to believe that bit of the story is true.
Some phones make a clicking noise as you type texts and the guy would probably have been getting text alert noises too, but it does seem unlikely that this would set anyone off as badly as it appears to have.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
But was this escalating conflict murder, or self defense against an aggressive young man terrifying an old man who was justified in shooting him?
I don't know. That's for our justice system to decide. Since I am not in possession of all the facts I will wait patiently before I form an opinion.
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Was he supposted to wait until after being curb stomped to defend himself?
Here in SC you don't have to wait until then. I also didn't see anything that indicated a curb stomping was eminent. For the record, I don't take guns or cell phones into movie theaters even though I have a legal right to do so.
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
Does anyone think that Reeves left, not to get a manager, but to get his pistol?

That would probably elevate the charge to first degree murder.

There's something wrong with part of the story, though. As far as I know, texting is silent, so it's hard to believe that bit of the story is true. Texting is unlikely to be what disturbed the shooter. I'm thinking he must have actually been talking on the phone.

Of course, the shooter is obviously crazy, so who knows what might set him off?
Have you not ever had a person near you in the cinema use their phone? it is immediately noticeable, within a few seat radius unless there's a particularly bright screen

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It can be annoying if the person in front of you is shining his/her cell phone in your face while you're watching a movie. If the guy had been courteous enough to keep in in his lap instead of eye level...

(Speculation on my part, speaking from experience.)
it is still irritating.

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Some phones make a clicking noise as you type texts and the guy would probably have been getting text alert noises too, but it does seem unlikely that this would set anyone off as badly as it appears to have.
Not turning off the input 'click/tone' should be a shootable offence anywhere in public (j/k but the sentiment is true)
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I thought that people with guns in cinemas were supposed to make the place safer? That is according to the NRA and their reaction to Aurora.
I've been told an armed society is a polite society. How much less polite are we now that an armed old guy is no longer on the streets shooting people?

Won't somebody think of the children's manners?
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I feel so sorry for the Americans who chose not to have a gun and how death can visit them anywhere at any time from those who chose to have a gun.
I feel sorry for every single person who finds themselves in a situation where they are at a force disadvantage and death can visit them anywhere at any time from those who chose to be armed with anything that offers that force advantage including physical prowess . . . .

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I've been told an armed society is a polite society. How much less polite are we now that an armed old guy is no longer on the streets shooting people?

Won't somebody think of the children's manners?
This just seems blithely ignorant of the meaning of that quote. If every man and women in that movie theater were wearing a visible holster sidearm do you think this confrontation would have occurred? (this is not a prescription, but a hypothetical question with a yes or no answer)

If so is any deterrent possible? If the possibility of death as a consequence of an action is not a deterrent than what is?
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This just seems blithely ignorant of the meaning of that quote.

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Does anyone think that Reeves left, not to get a manager, but to get his pistol?

That would probably elevate the charge to first degree murder.
If the theater has an external security camera the police should be reviewing the recordings to verify his movements on the day in question. If he is seen going to and from his car at that time, and no theater employees remember talking to him about the victim, Reeves could indeed be charged with that. Again, that's just speculation at this point.
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I feel sorry for every single person who finds themselves in a situation where they are at a force disadvantage and death can visit them anywhere at any time from those who chose to be armed with anything that offers that force advantage including physical prowess . . . .
In other words, you feel sorry for every single person ever.
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It was during the previews. Not the movie.
Well, that doesn't really change the situation that much. A man is still dead because he mildly annoyed someone else.

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I thought that people with guns in cinemas were supposed to make the place safer? That is according to the NRA and their reaction to Aurora.
Oh, but he was a bad guy with a gun. He's why we need full commando units in the front row of every theater.

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The off-duty cop who apprehended the shooter could be a responsible gun owner...

It will be interesting to hear the reasoning of the shooter.
Standing his ground. He thought the popcorn was a sure sign the texting man was about to turn into a zombie and once you have one zombie in the theater it isn't long until you have a whole horde. He really had no choice but to act on his unsubstantiated fear, stand his ground and murder the person he was scared of.

Did we learn nothing from Zimmerman?
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... Who more deserving to be regarded as a responsible gun owner but a retired cop? If not him, then who?
Law enforcement officers are not more responsible than any other member of society, though it's easy to believe that because the badge quite frequently protects them from prosecution.
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In Florida, no less.

Man killed after dispute over texting in theater

Shooter is a retired cop.

Thrown popcorn. Gotta stand your ground under the barrage of popped kernels of corn.

Nevermind then.

Oh, I can. I can absolutely believe it.

Wow.

I once left the theater to get a manager because two guys got into a yelling match. Soon, I returned with the manager and a couple of employees who escorted the two men out.

The fact that the shooter left the theater and then returned is a key point. He should have waited for a manager or employee.

I'll also point out that the shootie's wife was also hit by the bullet, as she was getting in between the two men when the gun went off.

The classic limitation to the First Amendment is that you're not allowed to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater. In light of that and this case, I have to wonder if the NRA will seriously make the argument that you're allowed to shoot a gun in a crowded theater.
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Old 14th January 2014, 08:15 AM   #63
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If the theater has an external security camera the police should be reviewing the recordings ...

Let me stop you right there and cynically suggest that they will extend him every courtesy, up to and including destroying evidence.

Sorry, I don't have a great deal of trust of the police in the US.
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So another datum arises: If the woman needed to separate them, things were getting more physical than thrown popcorn.
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It can be annoying if the person in front of you is shining his/her cell phone in your face while you're watching a movie. If the guy had been courteous enough to keep in in his lap instead of eye level...

(Speculation on my part, speaking from experience.)
The movie hadn't started yet, according to most accounts, and some reports say the victim was talking to his daughter on the phone.

If the daughter is 3 years old, it seems unlikely that he was texting with his daughter.

Most stories also say it's unclear who threw the popcorn...
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So another datum arises: If the woman needed to separate them, things were getting more physical than thrown popcorn.
No.
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This just seems blithely ignorant of the meaning of that quote. If every man and women in that movie theater were wearing a visible holster sidearm do you think this confrontation would have occurred? (this is not a prescription, but a hypothetical question with a yes or no answer)
Yes, the shooter clearly thought that he was in the right and therefore would not have feared being shot by fellow movie-goers.
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Well, that doesn't really change the situation that much. A man is still dead because he mildly annoyed someone else.



Oh, but he was a bad guy with a gun. He's why we need full commando units in the front row of every theater.



Standing his ground. He thought the popcorn was a sure sign the texting man was about to turn into a zombie and once you have one zombie in the theater it isn't long until you have a whole horde. He really had no choice but to act on his unsubstantiated fear, stand his ground and murder the person he was scared of.

Did we learn nothing from Zimmerman?
I didn't mean it changes anything. Just getting the story straight.
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I hope his last text wasn't something stupid. I'd hate to be remembered for "Whot? LOL!"
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So another datum arises: If the woman needed to separate them, things were getting more physical than thrown popcorn.
Where does the article say she had to seperate them?
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So another datum arises: If the woman needed to separate them, things were getting more physical than thrown popcorn.
That does not follow.
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I hope his last text wasn't something stupid. I'd hate to be remembered for "Whot? LOL!"
"Some old guy just threatened to shoot me for texting in the cinema! "
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So another datum arises: If the woman needed to separate them, things were getting more physical than thrown popcorn.

I never said that. It is an inference you are creating out of... nothing, apparently.

ETA: the article reported she was hit in the hand. It could be that when the shooter pulled his gun, she reflexively threw her hands up in a protective posture.
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This just seems blithely ignorant of the meaning of that quote. If every man and women in that movie theater were wearing a visible holster sidearm do you think this confrontation would have occurred? (this is not a prescription, but a hypothetical question with a yes or no answer)
That's the key of course: You have to know the other person is armed in order to be scared enough to be polite to them.
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The classic limitation to the First Amendment is that you're not allowed to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater. In light of that and this case, I have to wonder if the NRA will seriously make the argument that you're allowed to shoot a gun in a crowded theater.
No, they'll argue, "Unless you shout 'Open fire!'"
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Yes, the shooter clearly thought that he was in the right and therefore would not have feared being shot by fellow movie-goers.
I have no idea what he was thinking . . . or any other person who uses deadly force in response to something other than deadly force.

Does not make sense to me, maybe he is dieing of cancer and doesn't care about the consequences, who knows!?

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In other words, you feel sorry for every single person ever.
Minus every single person who takes steps to avoid force discrepancies, and every single person who is lucky and never finds themselves in such a situation. Sure . . .

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Answer the question. Can there be a deterrent more effective than the potential of death?
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You would think a retired officer would know when he can and cannot use deadly force, and where it's safe to fire a gun.

One wonders what might have happened had he been using a more powerful caliber than a .380? I guess he didn't care about bystanders much?

There are so many things wrong with shooting someone in this situation that I tend to think there must be something more to the story, but somehow I doubt it.

I guess that we will hear that the victim threatened the ex-cop, true or not, and we will get some sort of plea deal.

Unless, as I mentioned earlier, he left to get the .380, and not a manager. Even an ex-cop would have a hard time trying to explain that.
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Well, I'm now distracted from this murder due to the huge Republican victory of getting our incandescent light bulbs back...
Negotiators also agreed to block the Obama administration from imposing standards that effectively would prohibit the sale of incandescent light bulbs. The move continues a prohibition that Republicans imposed when they took control of the House in 2011.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...utm_medium=RSS

Wtf? Is there an incandescent light bulb lobby now that has bribed Republicans?
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Answer the question. Can there be a deterrent more effective than the potential of death?
Yes. Clear thinking.
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This is perfect evidence for my assertion that we should have a mental health check for gun owners - and everyone should fail it. This guy was not just a retired cop, but a captain the Tampa police department. If someone who has risen to a high rank in the police department of a major city cannot be trusted to control himself when he is in a confrontation and has a gun, why do we think anyone could?

The "No true responsible gun owner" falacy kills again.

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