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Old 28th December 2019, 08:14 AM   #81
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One of those Russian "nuclear powered missile" wunderwaffen was the cause behind the radiation incident near Arkhangelsk:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyonok...ation_accident

Five priceless nuclear scientists were killed during an attempt to salvage a missile, apparently from a failed previous test. Who knows how many more Russians will meet their end at the hands of thoroughly corrupt and lethally incompetent officials tasked with producing Putin's incredible wunderwaffen.
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Old 28th December 2019, 08:49 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by Mike! View Post

They claim a speed 27 times Mach 1, or roughly 20,000 miles per hour. Is that even possible through the atmosphere?
Where did your find that claim? I find citations of 7,000 mph.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201506281023954331/

Remember Mach numbers vary with the local speed of sound which makes them hard to use or interpret for any object that flies at anything other than one altitude.
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Old 28th December 2019, 09:11 AM   #83
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Seems like this thread is now discussing two different weapons. One is a Project Pluto-like nuclear powered cruise missile.

The other is the Avangard maneuvering reentry vehicle. The Avangard is not a big surprise. The Chinese have also been developing similar reentry vehicles. They're harder to intercept than ballistic RVs. And they're conceivably better for nuking a moving target like a supercarrier at sea.

This is another technology the US has also investigated. During the latter half of the Cold War, advances were proven but not always adopted. This avoided heating up a nuclear arms race that was being kept pretty dormant by that point.

Now the cold war is over. Russia and China are trying to figure out how to preserve their hegemony in a world of US naval force projection.

So people are dusting off old research and building new stuff from it.
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Old 28th December 2019, 09:29 AM   #84
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Seems like this thread is now discussing two different weapons. One is a Project Pluto-like nuclear powered cruise missile.

The other is the Avangard maneuvering reentry vehicle. The Avangard is not a big surprise. The Chinese have also been developing similar reentry vehicles. They're harder to intercept than ballistic RVs. And they're conceivably better for nuking a moving target like a supercarrier at sea.

This is another technology the US has also investigated. During the latter half of the Cold War, advances were proven but not always adopted.

Yes, the thread seems confused. Avangard doesn't even have an engine, it's a glider. It could reasonably be described as an incremental advance over the space shuttle in some regards. It probably reenters at a lower speed than the shuttle.
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Old 29th December 2019, 02:11 PM   #85
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Russia create missile that can hit 27 times the speed of sound

May actually be more appropriate in tech section, but has many social sides

I'm betting Trump is mentioned disdainfully by post ...........5......or 4

https://apnews.com/597e7f2b20b21af959e4c6983b255c37

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New Russian weapon can travel 27 times the speed of sound

MOSCOW (AP) — A new intercontinental weapon that can fly 27 times the speed of sound became operational Friday, Russia’s defense minister reported to President Vladimir Putin, bolstering the country’s nuclear strike capability.

Putin has described the Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle as a technological breakthrough comparable to the 1957 Soviet launch of the first satellite. The new Russian weapon and a similar system being developed by China have troubled the United States, which has pondered defense strategies.

The Avangard is launched atop an intercontinental ballistic missile, but unlike a regular missile warhead that follows a predictable path after separation it can make sharp maneuvers in the atmosphere en route to target, making it much harder to intercept.

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu informed Putin that the first missile unit equipped with the Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle entered combat duty.................
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"Something something something", said Putin.
"Uh huh, sure, baby," said everyone else.
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Especially "you build a shield, someone else will build a better missile."
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There's an existing thread here; it's in "international politics".
I'll request a merge. This forum may be a more appropriate location.
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More Putinist bollocks.

Though Putin stole it from the Soviet Government which used to make a lot of claims of having a Super Weapon which turned out to be pure BS.
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Though Putin stole it from the Soviet Government which used to make a lot of claims of having a Super Weapon which turned out to be pure BS.
Pre-Soviet. This is the "Tsar Cannon". Reputedly the largest gun never fired. 890mm bore, cast bronze, completed in 1586. It impressed the heck out of visitors, but probably never could have been fired.
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Though Putin stole it from the Soviet Government which used to make a lot of claims of having a Super Weapon which turned out to be pure BS.
Not stole. Inherited.
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Da! And will you like turnip from Chernobyl? big, like beach ball. Glow at night!
Americans making fun of absurd Russian lies. What a glorious time to be alive.
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IIRC an ICBM is already as good as unstoppable. All they are doing here is making all out nuclear war easier to achieve.
The hypersonic glide missiles are more difficult to intercept. Their main use is to show the Russian hoi-polloi Russia is still relevant. There is no viable strategic role for the missiles, Russia can already achieve the same with massed ICBMs and SLBMs.

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Although I don't know how a nuclear powered cruise missile is supposed to work. I thought nuclear powered motors were either good for very low power over a long period of time or a very short burst of very high power.
Nuclear jet engine works the exact same way a turbojet or even a turbofan does. The engine takes in air, heats it up, the heat causes it to expand enormously and it is then expelled into a desired direction, providing thrust. The only difference is the heat is not caused by burning fuel but by a nuclear reaction and the fuel itself obviously doesn't contribute to the expanding volume. The system may not be extremely effecient but it's perfectly doable and was done 60 years ago already.

Nuclear powered missiles were a thing in 1960s. USA even built a prototype, but then decided it was too dangerous to the user for too little gain and terminated the project in 1963.

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Pre-Soviet. This is the "Tsar Cannon". Reputedly the largest gun never fired. 890mm bore, cast bronze, completed in 1586. It impressed the heck out of visitors, but probably never could have been fired.
I have considerable experience with muzzle loading black powder Artillery in my US Civil War reenactment group, and am a half owner of a 12 pound Napoleon ,but no way would I want to be in the vincnity if that thing was fired.
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Nuclear powered missiles were a thing in 1960s. USA even built a prototype, but then decided it was too dangerous to the user for too little gain and terminated the project in 1963.
It was the 60s. When America developed the W54 (a very small nuclear warhead) the American Military turned into Dodge with the Hemi engine, they just shoved that gotdamn thing into everything they had.

Unguided air to air missile? Slap it in there!

Depth Charge? You got it.

Goddamn bazooka? Why the hell not?

What's that? Forget the weapon and just strap it to a soldiers back and parachute him, even better!
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What's that? Forget the weapon and just strap it to a soldiers back and parachute him, even better!
Does the soldier have a function beyond ballast?

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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
Does the soldier have a function beyond ballast?

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With the right kind of parachute he could steer to improve accuracy a little. Otherwise - Major Kong wannabe.
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Does the soldier have a function beyond ballast?

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The official "theory" in massive sarcastic airquotes was the troops carrying the SADM (Special Atomic Demolition Munitions) were, in case of a Soviet mass push into Western Europe in the case of WWIII, parachute behind enemies lines and use the 51 lobs, 10 ton - 1 kiloton yield warheads to take out bridges, dams, powerplants, and at choke-points like the Fulda Gap.

In practice, according to Mark Bentley who claimed in a interview with the Green Bay Gazette in 2018 to have been involved in the program, everyone involved in the plan knew full well such attacks would be suicide missions.

On topic this device and a similar device the Soviets developed around the same time which GRU Defector Stanislav Lunev describe as called the RA-115 and which also weighted about fifty to sixty pounds are the closest thing that actually existed to the famous but probably apocryphal "Suitcase Nuke."
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The official "theory" in massive sarcastic airquotes was the troops carrying the SADM (Special Atomic Demolition Munitions) were, in case of a Soviet mass push into Western Europe in the case of WWIII, parachute behind enemies lines and use the 51 lobs, 10 ton - 1 kiloton yield warheads to take out bridges, dams, powerplants, and at choke-points like the Fulda Gap.

In practice, according to Mark Bentley who claimed in a interview with the Green Bay Gazette in 2018 to have been involved in the program, everyone involved in the plan knew full well such attacks would be suicide missions.
Probably because any sabotage mission behind enemy lines in a shooting war is probably a suicide mission. It's not like the demolition squad is supposed to stand next to the demolition charge while it detonates. Whether dynamite, c4, or a critical mass of uranium.
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Probably because any sabotage mission behind enemy lines in a shooting war is probably a suicide mission. It's not like the demolition squad is supposed to stand next to the demolition charge while it detonates. Whether dynamite, c4, or a critical mass of uranium.
High risk but not suicide. The Special Raiding Squadron, the Telemark raiders, even the Saint-Nazaire raids were not suicide missions.
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Same thing here, I think.

Sneak into the valley. Plant the charge on the bridge. Set the timer. Sneak out of the valley, putting a hill between you and the bridge. Wait for the timer to do its thing.

Sneak to your extraction point. Try not to get caught. Good luck with that.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
The official "theory" in massive sarcastic airquotes was the troops carrying the SADM (Special Atomic Demolition Munitions) were, in case of a Soviet mass push into Western Europe in the case of WWIII, parachute behind enemies lines and use the 51 lobs, 10 ton - 1 kiloton yield warheads to take out bridges, dams, powerplants, and at choke-points like the Fulda Gap.

In practice, according to Mark Bentley who claimed in a interview with the Green Bay Gazette in 2018 to have been involved in the program, everyone involved in the plan knew full well such attacks would be suicide missions.

On topic this device and a similar device the Soviets developed around the same time which GRU Defector Stanislav Lunev describe as called the RA-115 and which also weighted about fifty to sixty pounds are the closest thing that actually existed to the famous but probably apocryphal "Suitcase Nuke."
This was the backup plan. The main plan was to use pre-positioned nuclear mines in those locations, to either stop the Soviet advance or at least hinder it while a response was mounted.

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Same thing here, I think.

Sneak into the valley. Plant the charge on the bridge. Set the timer. Sneak out of the valley, putting a hill between you and the bridge. Wait for the timer to do its thing.

Sneak to your extraction point. Try not to get caught. Good luck with that.
Works great in the movies, not so great in real life.
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Works great in the movies, not so great in real life.
I wouldn't know. But I get the impression someone thinks nuclear demolitions equals suicide because "nuclear".
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I wouldn't know. But I get the impression someone thinks nuclear demolitions equals suicide because "nuclear".
Depends on how fast you can get away from where you planted the nuke, really.
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High risk but not suicide. The Special Raiding Squadron, the Telemark raiders, even the Saint-Nazaire raids were not suicide missions.
There is a huge difference psychologically between very low chances of survival and NO chances of survival. That is what made the Kamikazes so unique in WW2.
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I wonder why it is not discussed here in which cases Russia intends to use nuclear weapons.



"THE MILITARY DOCTRINE OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

5. The Military Doctrine reflects the commitment of the Russian Federation to taking military measures for the protection of its national interests and the interests of its allies only after political, diplomatic, legal, economic, informational and other non-violent instruments have been exhausted.
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20. Prevention of a nuclear military conflict as well as of any other military conflict is the basis of the military policy of the Russian Federation.
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27. The Russian Federation shall reserve the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and/or its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is in jeopardy."


(The site does not allow me to give the link. However, the full text is on the Embassy of the Russian Federation to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland website.)
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I wonder why it is not discussed here in which cases Russia intends to use nuclear weapons.



"THE MILITARY DOCTRINE OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

5. The Military Doctrine reflects the commitment of the Russian Federation to taking military measures for the protection of its national interests and the interests of its allies only after political, diplomatic, legal, economic, informational and other non-violent instruments have been exhausted.
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20. Prevention of a nuclear military conflict as well as of any other military conflict is the basis of the military policy of the Russian Federation.
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27. The Russian Federation shall reserve the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and/or its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is in jeopardy."


(The site does not allow me to give the link. However, the full text is on the Embassy of the Russian Federation to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland website.)
Feel free to discuss at any time.

Also, you can post the link, as long as you omit the "http://" from the beginning of it.
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Originally Posted by lambent View Post
I wonder why it is not discussed here in which cases Russia intends to use nuclear weapons.



"THE MILITARY DOCTRINE OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

5. The Military Doctrine reflects the commitment of the Russian Federation to taking military measures for the protection of its national interests and the interests of its allies only after political, diplomatic, legal, economic, informational and other non-violent instruments have been exhausted.
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20. Prevention of a nuclear military conflict as well as of any other military conflict is the basis of the military policy of the Russian Federation.
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27. The Russian Federation shall reserve the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and/or its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is in jeopardy."


(The site does not allow me to give the link. However, the full text is on the Embassy of the Russian Federation to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland website.)
I suspect every country that has Nuclear Weapons has that as a policy,

Anyway this thread is not about the use of Nukes, but Russian claims(very questionable ) they have Sooper Sekrit New Method Of Delivery.
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