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Old 29th January 2020, 07:34 AM   #1
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UK - Rail Nationalisation

We were warned by the Conservative Party that, if elected, the Labour Party would re-nationalise the rail network. The only way to stop this would be to vote Conservative and preserve free enterprise.

Less than two months after the election and one rail firm has been nationalised, seems like the Conservatives were right - oh no, it was the Tories who were elected

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Troubled rail company Northern is to be brought under government control.

The decision, which will see the firm's franchise stripped from operator Arriva Rail North from 1 March, was taken following years of major disruption.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51298820

Personally I think that rail privatisation was horribly botched and the primary concern was ensuring that privatisation couldn't be reversed rather than getting the best railway for users. As such this is good news for rail users.
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Old 29th January 2020, 07:50 AM   #2
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The problem is that once enough taxpayers' money has been poured into Northern Rail to get it back on the rails, then it will be refranchised to a different fat-cat franchising company who can then milk it for profit.

If the government takes the sensible decision to cancel HS2, that will pay for propping up Northern Rail, and still give a net saving to the taxpayers. Regrettably, I don't think the government is brave enough to do that.
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Old 29th January 2020, 08:06 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
We were warned by the Conservative Party that, if elected, the Labour Party would re-nationalise the rail network. The only way to stop this would be to vote Conservative and preserve free enterprise.

Less than two months after the election and one rail firm has been nationalised, seems like the Conservatives were right - oh no, it was the Tories who were elected ; )
Is there room in your analysis for something nuanced like "we're opposed to rail nationalization generally, but we have to make an exception for Northern, which is now too far gone to avoid this move"?
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Old 29th January 2020, 08:24 AM   #4
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Is there room in your analysis for something nuanced like "we're opposed to rail nationalization generally, but we have to make an exception for Northern, which is now too far gone to avoid this move"?

In and of itself a fantastic argument against privatisation.
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Old 29th January 2020, 08:29 AM   #5
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In and of itself a fantastic argument against privatisation.
Agreed. But beside the point. My point being, not everything is binary hypocrisy or whatever.
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Old 29th January 2020, 08:40 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Agreed. But beside the point. My point being, not everything is binary hypocrisy or whatever.
However, in this instance it is.

"these blokes we gave it to this time took a large amount of money out of the system, ran the stock into the ground and bust the company. But the next lot we choose will be better." Is not a statement I have much truck with.

"We believe privatisation is the most efficient way" Is not a convincing statement when coupled with the above.

Seems pretty hypocritical to me.
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Old 1st February 2020, 09:13 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by ceptimus View Post
The problem is that once enough taxpayers' money has been poured into Northern Rail to get it back on the rails, then it will be refranchised to a different fat-cat franchising company who can then milk it for profit.
I rarely agree with you on some other subjects, but in this instance I'm with you 100%.
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