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Old 8th February 2020, 06:58 PM   #81
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Crime has been steadily decreasing in the UK and USA for the last decade straight. So basically all your objection seems to be that yeah, but you can't trust someone different, because of some imagined threat that seems to exist only in your head. Makes my case about idiots being idiots everywhere.
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Old 8th February 2020, 08:09 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by HansMustermann View Post
Crime has been steadily decreasing in the UK and USA for the last decade straight. So basically all your objection seems to be that yeah, but you can't trust someone different, because of some imagined threat that seems to exist only in your head. Makes my case about idiots being idiots everywhere.
I hear this a lot on this board and of course nothing is taken into perspective. Crime is down but there was a heavy price paid with mass surveillance and a police state. Also in the US homicide clearance rate is way down so with the added surveillance it's actually easier to get away with murder as societies break down become more fragmented. I also mentioned several other factors besides low-crime that are conducive to a happy, healthy society.
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Old 9th February 2020, 06:19 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
I hear this a lot on this board and of course nothing is taken into perspective. Crime is down but there was a heavy price paid with mass surveillance and a police state. Also in the US homicide clearance rate is way down so with the added surveillance it's actually easier to get away with murder as societies break down become more fragmented. I also mentioned several other factors besides low-crime that are conducive to a happy, healthy society.

Citations and references, please.
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Old 9th February 2020, 01:33 PM   #84
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Google it yourself.
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Old 10th February 2020, 02:19 AM   #85
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1. We're not talking about the US.
2. You might like the idea of a beige society, but I would find it exceptionally bland.
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Old 10th February 2020, 11:43 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by HansMustermann View Post
Crime has been steadily decreasing in the UK and USA for the last decade straight.
The picture in the USA is more complicated than that (can't speak for UK statistics).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...sa-since-1990/
The overall trend between the early 1990's and today is definitely downward, and by a lot. But that downward trend may have plateaued now, without much net change over the last 5 years, and includes some increases as well as decreases. Local crime rates can also vary considerably from the national trend, in both directions.
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Old 11th February 2020, 03:40 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
Because people want to live in a low-crime, high trust homogenous country.
So you're advocating a move en-mass from the UK and USA to where? I'm pretty sure the Scandinavians don't want them
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Old 11th February 2020, 03:41 AM   #88
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Citations and references, please.
Good luck on that.

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Google it yourself.
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