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Old 8th February 2020, 05:32 PM   #1
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Texas boy killed for standing up to bully at school

A 16-year-old student in Arlington, Texas named Samuel Reynolds was shot to death outside his apartment complex this past Thursday. Several days earlier at his high school, Reynolds witnessed a bully persecuting another student in the hallway and intervened to stop him and protect the other student. That bully, a 15-year-old, is the suspect in Reynolds' murder.

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Police say security cameras captured the 15-year-old pulling a .40 caliber gun and shooting Reynolds. The juvenile suspect was arrested soon after police watched the video.

They are angry that a young man was killed for doing the right thing and that someone gave a 15-year-old access to a handgun.

"That's something we want an answer for," said Arlington Police Officer Christopher Cook. "We are sick and tired of children in our community coming in contact with firearms and possessing them and using them."

Police say they will prosecute whoever made it possible for the 15-year-old to get his hands on a gun. Police did not release a lot of information about the alleged shooter because he is underage.

Arlington Police Chief Will Johnson expressed his frustration about the crime on social media, saying, "This senseless act of gun violence has no place in society and our hometown community. This was an emotionally tough case for responding officers, investigators and medics. We will direct our attention to how a young teen suspect accessed a firearm used in the offense."
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I've never been a believer in that "stand up to bullies" malarkey - always seemed to be a good way to ask for an extra beating.

Being USA, a shooting is no surprise.

If only the good kid had had a gun - America needs more guns!
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I've never been a believer in that "stand up to bullies" malarkey - always seemed to be a good way to ask for an extra beating.

Being USA, a shooting is no surprise.

If only the good kid had had a gun - America needs more guns!
Of course you don't have the conviction to mention the racial motivations behind the murder. Just tired crap about "USA guns" and fear of mentioning the real cause of this violence.
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Old 8th February 2020, 06:23 PM   #6
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I've never been a believer in that "stand up to bullies" malarkey - always seemed to be a good way to ask for an extra beating.

Being USA, a shooting is no surprise.

If only the good kid had had a gun - America needs more guns!
Now that, I believe.
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Of course you don't have the conviction to mention the racial motivations behind the murder. Just tired crap about "USA guns" and fear of mentioning the real cause of this violence.
Yes. if guns hadn't been so casually available then there wouldn't have been a shooting.
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Of course you don't have the conviction to mention the racial motivations behind the murder. Just tired crap about "USA guns" and fear of mentioning the real cause of this violence.
And the real cause of the violence is?
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Now that, I believe.
In my experience the bullied are weak and isolated, if they 'stand up' to the bully they get the crap kicked out of them.

It only works if the bullied can do the kicking or have friends who can do it for them.
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In my experience the bullied are weak and isolated, if they 'stand up' to the bully they get the crap kicked out of them.

It only works if the bullied can do the kicking or have friends who can do it for them.
This kid stood up for a weak kid who was getting bullied, so he wouldn't be in a helpless situation. It was a heroic act... his murder was an atrocity.
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And the real cause of the violence is?
He means "black people".
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Of course you don't have the conviction to mention the racial motivations behind the murder.
What racial motivations are they?

Have you spoken to the perpetrator? I didn't mention race because it's not relevant unless it was a racial hate crime, which it doesn't appear to be.

Funny how you'd play a race card so quickly. What does that tell you about yourself?
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This kid stood up for a weak kid who was getting bullied, so he wouldn't be in a helpless situation. It was a heroic act... his murder was an atrocity.
A-freaking-men.
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And the real cause of the violence is?
Your answer (if you ever get one that isn't entirely disingenuous) will be something like..

a. The race of the individuals involved (because white kids never, ever shoot other kids)

b. The skin colour of the individuals involved (because reasons as per a. above)

c. Anything but guns

When you question the answer, you'll get 'America is not like all those smaller mostly white countries'... vel aliquid similis!


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What racial motivations are they?

Have you spoken to the perpetrator? I didn't mention race because it's not relevant unless it was a racial hate crime, which it doesn't appear to be.

Funny how you'd play a race card so quickly. What does that tell you about yourself?
Hard not to when all the 52 cards in your deck are the jack of spades!
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The only way to address this type of behaviour is to send a very clear, very loud message. Try the killer as an adult, and sentence him to 25 to Life.

Then, find the person (or persons) responsible for allowing him to have access to the murder weapon, and try them as an accomplice.... also 25 to life.
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This kid stood up for a weak kid who was getting bullied, so he wouldn't be in a helpless situation. It was a heroic act... his murder was an atrocity.
Yes, a hero.
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What is with all this talk of race? The shooter's race isn't even reported, is it? Not that it matters unless the events had a racial motivation, which they certainly don't seem to.
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What is with all this talk of race? The shooter's race isn't even reported, is it? Not that it matters unless the events had a racial motivation, which they certainly don't seem to.
Ask Baylor... he appears to have assumed the shooter was black! EVERY response mentioning race has been in response to his unmitigated BS in post #5
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I've never been a believer in that "stand up to bullies" malarkey - always seemed to be a good way to ask for an extra beating.

Being USA, a shooting is no surprise.

If only the good kid had had a gun - America needs more guns!
Interesting. I always stand up to bullies. Yes, an Aussie is unlikely to be shot, but I base my actions on the belief that bullies are cowards and that anyone who says “I will **** up” will never do it. If someone is really intent on ******* you up, they won’t announce it.

Just a few months ago I was out for dinner with my wife at a Crown Casino restaurant. A patron there wanted to go outside for a smoke, but leave his gear behind, which wasn’t allowed. He went ballistic, so I loudly asked if I could be “moved away from this pig”. He then turned on me, asking “are you calling me a pig...”. Okay we are moving off topic so I won’t go further, but my experience is that it is very important to stand up to bullies. Otherwise they win.
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What is with all this talk of race? The shooter's race isn't even reported, is it?
Not in the article I linked, or in any others about the incident that I've read.
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Interesting. I always stand up to bullies. Yes, an Aussie is unlikely to be shot, but I base my actions on the belief that bullies are cowards and that anyone who says “I will **** up” will never do it. If someone is really intent on ******* you up, they won’t announce it.



Just a few months ago I was out for dinner with my wife at a Crown Casino restaurant. A patron there wanted to go outside for a smoke, but leave his gear behind, which wasn’t allowed. He went ballistic, so I loudly asked if I could be “moved away from this pig”. He then turned on me, asking “are you calling me a pig...”. Okay we are moving off topic so I won’t go further, but my experience is that it is very important to stand up to bullies. Otherwise they win.
So basically you interjected for absolutely no reason. Riled up some one the staff needed to deal with already and made their job more annoying than it was already.

Awesome.
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And then the whole of the restaurant stood up and cheered.
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You, as usual, have no ******* idea. The restaurant manager thanked me and didn’t charge us for the meal. He said “I just wish other people would do what you did”.
They thanked you for demanding not to sit next to an idiot they are already having to deal with?

Look.I am not saying your story is ********.

It may well be true.

But kiwis have these things called OEs. Mine was in part spending a year being first a barman and then bar manager.

And frankly the way you described the situation would have made you just as big a pain in the **** as the other geezer.

I saw a mate working with me get stabbed to death so I kind of of know how things can escalate.
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Just one thing.

You didn't actually confront the bully.

You just nagged the staff

Just wondering how that is standing up to the bully
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Just one thing.

You didn't actually confront the bully.

You just nagged the staff

Just wondering how that is standing up to the bully
You might have noticed that I stopped my story. To continue the pig came up to me (my wife ran out the door) and said “who are you calling a pig”. “You” I replied. He said “you don’t know me”. I said “Yes I do”.

He backed off, as most bullies do.

Your dismissal of my experience, where I have witnesses, is of zero consequence to me.
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You might have noticed that I stopped my story. To continue the pig came up to me (my wife ran out the door) and said “who are you calling a pig”. “You” I replied. He said “you don’t know me”. I said “Yes I do”.



He backed off, as most bullies do.



Your dismissal of my experience, where I have witnesses, is of zero consequence to me.
So you let your wife run off alone.

Sounds like it turned out alright in the end though.


Did the bully "doff his cap" and say "forgive me brave one" as that would be a fitting ending
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Does anyone know the origins of the urban myth that bullies are cowards?

The "biggest" bullies I've known have all either used their physical prowess or position to cement their bullying, I can't off hand think of any bullies I've known or seen operate who were cowards so merely "standing up" to them meant they backed down.

At school those (male) kids that bullied others did so because they could physically dominate, they weren't scared of having fights. There were back then only a few female "physical" bullies, bullying within the female pupils tended not to be based on physical violence. (I know this has changed tremendously since I was at school 40 years ago.)

My view seems to be supported by the terrible tragedy in the opening post. The "bully" didn't back down.
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You think I need to make myself a hero on this insignificant forum? With members like you? There aren’t enough laughing dogs.
Since you are the only one coming out with the, "and then the whole restaurant stood up and clapped" scenarios, then yes, I'm left to wonder.

I have to say that you are coming across as a bit aggressive right now what with your "members like you", your "insignificant" and your "idiot" comments. Couple that with the fact that (according to your own words) you interjected, unasked, in to a contretemps that was nothing to do with you and did so by throwing insults at an individual you'd never met which only served to inflame the situation further.... well that's interesting to me.
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Does anyone know the origins of the urban myth that bullies are cowards?

The "biggest" bullies I've known have all either used their physical prowess or position to cement their bullying, I can't off hand think of any bullies I've known or seen operate who were cowards so merely "standing up" to them meant they backed down.

At school those (male) kids that bullied others did so because they could physically dominate, they weren't scared of having fights. There were back then only a few female "physical" bullies, bullying within the female pupils tended not to be based on physical violence. (I know this has changed tremendously since I was at school 40 years ago.)

My view seems to be supported by the terrible tragedy in the opening post. The "bully" didn't back down.
I've never subscribed to the "coward" theory myself but I can assure you that making sure that you are not an easy mark for a bully makes all the difference. You provided the answer in your post.

Back in the day I told my son that when and if he gets on the wrong side of one such person, to throw everything he had at them. Getting seriously injured is a very, very rare occurrence so give 'em everything you've got. The chances are you'll get a beating and he/she may well come back... when and if they do, you go again with everything you've got. Who knows? You might get lucky!

What bullies are, are fragile individuals with glass egos and having a scrawny runt get stuck, the ****, in despite overwhelming odds doesn't sit well. I can guarantee that they'll find an easier mark and that is not your problem.

The bully can only operate in an environment where people are scared of being hurt. Swinging that first punch is the road to freedom.
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Does anyone know the origins of the urban myth that bullies are cowards?
I don't know but it seems that it may have come from pop psychology.
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Just a few months ago I was out for dinner with my wife at a Crown Casino restaurant. A patron there wanted to go outside for a smoke, but leave his gear behind, which wasn’t allowed. He went ballistic, so I loudly asked if I could be “moved away from this pig”. He then turned on me, asking “are you calling me a pig...”. Okay we are moving off topic so I won’t go further, but my experience is that it is very important to stand up to bullies. Otherwise they win.

I don't understand this story at all. Leave what gear behind? Had he brought his welding tools or a backpack full of camping equipment to the restaurant? Or is that referring to the food he'd ordered and was in the process of consuming? What's wrong with a patron stepping out to have a smoke (surely that's more considerate and more permissible than lighting up in the dining area)? Do the staff also require patrons to have a hall pass to visit the restrooms? If they're caught trying to pass notes to one another during the meal, are those confiscated and read aloud in front of everyone?
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Old 9th February 2020, 06:27 AM   #34
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Of course you don't have the conviction to mention the racial motivations behind the murder. Just tired crap about "USA guns" and fear of mentioning the real cause of this violence.
Yep, just another child's body for you to step over on the way to the shooting range. There are so many, I'm sure you barely notice anymore. Woo Hoo. Go Second Amendment!
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I can guarantee that they'll find an easier mark and that is not your problem.
That does sound like your problem and my problem.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
I don't know but it seems that it may have come from pop psychology.
Brady Bunch and probably every family sitcom/soap had to have at least one episode that includes bully conflict.
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So this bulky returns and shoots him rather than go toe to toe. Coward.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
That does sound like your problem and my problem.
I've dealt with my bully, you deal with yours.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Does anyone know the origins of the urban myth that bullies are cowards?

The "biggest" bullies I've known have all either used their physical prowess or position to cement their bullying, I can't off hand think of any bullies I've known or seen operate who were cowards so merely "standing up" to them meant they backed down.

At school those (male) kids that bullied others did so because they could physically dominate, they weren't scared of having fights. There were back then only a few female "physical" bullies, bullying within the female pupils tended not to be based on physical violence. (I know this has changed tremendously since I was at school 40 years ago.)

My view seems to be supported by the terrible tragedy in the opening post. The "bully" didn't back down.
I think it's part of the Just World fallacy. It would be nice if bullies were actually weak and could be vanquished by the victim having a realization. Then perhaps it would be a Teachable Moment, a bit of music would play, then in the next episode everyone's friends.

About as realistic as curing an eating disorder with a heart-to-heart chat, or making a villain turn good by reminding them of a childhood event.
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Originally Posted by bluesjnr View Post
I've dealt with my bully, you deal with yours.
Every bully is your bully. Every bully is my bully.
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