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Old 13th February 2020, 09:40 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
That's not what it said. It said that things like Rye Bread and Meatballs were created elsewhere and then came to Scandinavia where they were adopted and modified into a Scandinavia version that then became uniquely Scandinavian.

It was pointing out that Scandinavians have always been travelers who have gone out into the world and brought back ideas and then made those ideas Scandinavian.
Rolling ground beef into a ball doesn't sound like a very exceptional and noteworthy "invention" anyways. It's like proclaiming that you are the inventor of bread or something.
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Old 13th February 2020, 09:44 AM   #122
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Mission accomplished I guess.

They got people to share the ad and discuss it on social media.

Also, a textbook example of poisoning the well. Preemptively accuse anyone who might not like the ad of being a Nazi. Can't possibly be any legitimate basis for criticism, right? Like maybe the fact that it's an airline and airplanes contribute to global warming. Let's change the topic to something else, right? So we don't have to confront what we're doing to the planet.
^ This. Good adverts that stick in the mind are those that are provocative: they have an irritating jingle, noise or are amusing (like the giant poodle in the Flash advert backing to the Queen tune of the same name). The fact SAS marketing got an African-looking guy (who might well be Scandinavian) to say he had Viking ancestors.

So it worked, as everyone is talking about it Reminds me of the Benetton adverts or Dove.
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Old 13th February 2020, 09:50 AM   #123
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Whoever started this thread must have been pretty upset by this ad
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Old 13th February 2020, 10:07 AM   #124
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Nothing is Skandanavian?

Okay, what about:

1. Lego?
2. dynamite?
3. Jean Sibelius?
4. Knut Hamsun?
Sibelius is Finnish.
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Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
One thing about the ad that's inaccurate is that the democracy found in ancient Greece has little to do with the development of democracy in the Scandinavian countries.

If anything the closest ancient parallel would be that found in Rome.
I always thought the word 'land' came from the Swedish and also trial by your fellow citizens (twelve is usually the number). People in a community would meet in a clearing and decide matters between them this way. When Danelaw came to the UK it was adopted there. So I'd dispute the Swedes 'copied the Greeks'.
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Old 13th February 2020, 10:25 AM   #126
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Ah another thread that boils down to "how dare you call all white supremacists Nazis! You must recognize the diversity of hate with in these communities".
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Scandinavia gave us enormous Scandinavian women.
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Old 13th February 2020, 11:17 AM   #128
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In your dreams, Baylor!
















I never heard about the series Bella and the Bulldogs till now, but then I never watch Nickelodeon. Is it good, Baylor?!
It's very clear that went over your head.
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Old 13th February 2020, 11:22 AM   #129
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
It is an ad to make people choose to fly with the SAS.
When you're "anti-capitalist" but have the exact same politics as every multinational conglomerates.
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Old 13th February 2020, 11:36 AM   #130
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Nothing is Skandanavian?

Okay, what about:

1. Lego?
2. dynamite?
3. Jean Sibelius?
4. Knut Hamsun?
Avicii. Though he was burdened with guilt from breathing oxygen that could've been breathed by a Somali so he topped himself.

He was a typical Scandinavian.
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Old 13th February 2020, 11:43 AM   #131
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Old 13th February 2020, 11:48 AM   #132
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
You forgot the Swedish Chef.
Well, the Swedish Chef sounds Norwegian to the Swedish, and he may have been based on an American chef....

https://slate.com/culture/2012/08/sw...norwegian.html

Furthermore, in the German dubbed version of The Muppets, he's a Dane!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedis...#International
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Old 13th February 2020, 03:41 PM   #134
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Sibelius is Finnish.
Isn't Finland part of Scandinavia?
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Old 13th February 2020, 05:03 PM   #135
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Isn't Finland part of Scandinavia?
No, it's rightfully part of Russia, comradde!

Ya know what's as revealing as the reaction by certain people to the ad? The reaction of certain forum members to this thread!
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Ya know what's as revealing as the reaction by certain people to the ad? The reaction of certain forum members to this thread!
Do tell
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Old 13th February 2020, 06:29 PM   #137
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Nothing is Skandanavian?

Okay, what about:

1. Lego?
2. dynamite?
3. Jean Sibelius?
4. Knut Hamsun?
5. Most of Minnesota?
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Old 13th February 2020, 06:33 PM   #138
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Isn't Finland part of Scandinavia?
It gets complicated.
Finland is geographically part of Scandanavia, but the Finns, ethnically, are totally different from the other Scandinavian nations. Language..except for a few borrowed words,is totally different from Norweigian, Swedish, Danish, etc.
And they have the world's prettiest Prime Minister.....
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Old 13th February 2020, 06:36 PM   #139
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You really have ZERO understanding of what Nazis are don't you.

The extermination of Jews is only a small part of Nazi ideology; it was a means to an end, not an end in itself. Nazism was based on Völkisch Nationalism. If you want to learn about it, you can read about it here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_movement

I suggest you take the opportunity read it and learn something so that you stop embarrassing yourself and tarring the rest of us kiwis with your brush.
I think you are like me in that we both get frustrated at the level of ignorance of History we see nowdays.
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The ad is clever but from a advertising point of view it might be too clever; it does not connect all that well with the product it's supposed to be selling.
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The company that made the ad recieved a bomb thread earlier today.
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Couldn't you think of a Scandinavian writer who was not a Nazi?
That was deliberate. I was also going to choose the Finnish swastika as well, but thought it would be too obvious.
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The company that made the ad recieved a bomb thread earlier today.
A bomb thread? Was it this one?

Ok, sorry.
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Old 13th February 2020, 08:10 PM   #144
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Isn't Finland part of Scandinavia?
No, Finland is not a part of Scandinavia. Finland is a Nordic country, which is a broader notion.

Scandinavia is limited to Denmark, Sweden and Norway. The Nordic countries are those, plus the countries that have been heavily influenced and controlled by the Scandinavian ones. Finland was an integral part of Sweden for centuries, so it qualifies as a Nordic country.
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Old 13th February 2020, 08:19 PM   #145
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No, Finland is not a part of Scandinavia. Finland is a Nordic country, which is a broader notion.

Scandinavia is limited to Denmark, Sweden and Norway. The Nordic countries are those, plus the countries that have been heavily influenced and controlled by the Scandinavian ones. Finland was an integral part of Sweden for centuries, so it qualifies as a Nordic country.
Nah! It has one of those crosses on its flag so Finland and Iceland are Skandanavian.
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I think you are like me in that we both get frustrated at the level of ignorance of History we see nowdays.
Yes, the ignorance of history sometimes displayed on this forum does frustrate me, but even worse, when those who are ignorant of history come on here and pontificate on it, and then have the cheek to argue against established historical fact when it is clear that they have no clue whatsoever, well that really pisses me off!
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It gets complicated.
Finland is geographically part of Scandanavia, but the Finns, ethnically, are totally different from the other Scandinavian nations. Language..except for a few borrowed words,is totally different from Norweigian, Swedish, Danish, etc.
And they have the world's prettiest Prime Minister.....
Finns are ethnically more closely related to Estonians than they are to the Swedish.
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A bomb thread? Was it this one?

Ok, sorry.
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No, Finland is not a part of Scandinavia. Finland is a Nordic country, which is a broader notion.

Scandinavia is limited to Denmark, Sweden and Norway. The Nordic countries are those, plus the countries that have been heavily influenced and controlled by the Scandinavian ones. Finland was an integral part of Sweden for centuries, so it qualifies as a Nordic country.

Geographically, the Scandinavian peninsula consists of Norway, Sweden and a small part of Finland. Denmark is not a geographical part of Scandinavia.
Culturally, you could say that the Nordic Baltic Eight (Wikipedia) are a kind of sister nations. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were Danish for a couple of centuries in the Middle Ages, before they became Swedish and then Russian.
Iceland (Wikipedia) was liberated from the Danish hegemony in WW2.
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Finns are ethnically more closely related to Estonians than they are to the Swedish.
And both Finns and Estonians seem to have split off from the Magyars (who became the Hungarians) at some point from simarliteis in the languages.
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Seems to me to me that the same group of posters who deny the existence of racism, no matter the evidence, in the "...while Black" threads have arrived here to deny any Nazis/Right Wingers were upset by the ad.

Apparently they are so convinced that such people and motivations do not exist that they apply levels of "skepticism" that would similarly deny that there is evidence of gravity. How could such folks exist? Inconceivable! to quote "The Princess Bride.
Mostly I just think dann's idea that only Nazis could not like this ad is full of crap.

That, and the usual "nazis" equivocation.
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Why Don’t Racists Want You to See This Airline’s Ad? (Fodor’s, Feb. 12, 2020)
Bomb Alert in Copenhagen over Controversial SAS Ad Campaign (Bloomberg, Feb.13, 2020)
’What is truly Scandinavia? Nothing’ – Airline clarifies ad after far-right criticism (The Guardian, Feb. 13, 2020)
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Mostly I just think [hilitie]dann's idea that only Nazis could not like this ad is full of crap[/hilite].

That, and the usual "nazis" equivocation.

Welcome back to theprestige and his usual equivocation.
Now that it's become obvious to everybody that Nazis were behind the campaign against the SAS ad, he feels the need to come up with a new strawman in defense of his initial denial. I wish he would tell us where I claimed that only Nazis didn't like the ad unlike other racists and anti-immigration idiots who were fine with it.
At least he makes it pretty obvious whose ideas are full of it.
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And both Finns and Estonians seem to have split off from the Magyars (who became the Hungarians) at some point from simarliteis in the languages.
No, the Magyars are the Hungarians. It’s the Hungarian word for the Hungarians.

The language family that includes Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian is the Uralic language family.
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The company that made the ad recieved a bomb thread earlier today.
Maybe they should stop advertising their commitment to change the global climate for the worse.
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Geographically, the Scandinavian peninsula consists of Norway, Sweden and a small part of Finland. Denmark is not a geographical part of Scandinavia.
Lets see what wikipedia says:
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Scandinavia (/ˌskćndɪˈneɪviə/ SKAN-dih-NAY-vee-ə) is a region in Northern Europe, with strong historical, cultural, and linguistic ties. The term Scandinavia in local usage covers the three kingdoms of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. The majority national languages of these three belong to the Scandinavian dialect continuum, and are mutually intelligible North Germanic languages. In English usage, Scandinavia also sometimes refers more narrowly to the Scandinavian Peninsula, or more broadly so as to include Finland, the Faroe Islands, and Iceland.

The broader definition is similar to what are locally called the Nordic countries, which also include the remote Norwegian islands of Svalbard and Jan Mayen and Greenland, a constituent country within the Kingdom of Denmark.
I have never heard anyone exclude Denmark from Scandinavia in its common sense. Geographically speaking "The Scandinavian Peninsula" is a separate notion from Scandinavia, because it is geologically distinct from Denmark as well as physically separated from Sweden by Öresund.
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Old 14th February 2020, 05:24 PM   #158
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Meanwhile, in the greatest Scandinavian advertising campaign of all time Greenland...
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
I know these people - they march in the streets carrying cheap wicker tiki torches they bought at Walmart for $3.99, and chant things like "The Jews will not replace us."
But we dasn't call them Nazis! They're not actually signed up with the party after all.
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Old 15th February 2020, 01:05 AM   #160
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Maybe they should stop advertising their commitment to change the global climate for the worse.

I guess it's logical to become concerned with global warming when an airline runs an ad that upsets the Nazis.
I guess that's why Nazis didn't like the ad in the first place: They worry so much about global warming that they'll be attacking all airline ads from now on.
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