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Old Yesterday, 01:38 PM   #801
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Originally Posted by ynot View Post
Talking about "eras" and "load" screw ups . . .

Ok, Ok, loud it is. God has his finger in my spell check.
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Old Yesterday, 01:40 PM   #802
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
Ok, Ok, loud it is. God has his finger in my spell check.
What about errors as well?
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Old Yesterday, 02:00 PM   #803
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Originally Posted by ynot View Post
What about errors as well?

No eras was right. Responding to Apathia who spoke of same.
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
No eras was right. Responding to Apathia who spoke of same.
So neither of us is perfect then? Bugger.
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Old Yesterday, 02:51 PM   #805
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On the Catholic in free fall thread I posted:

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Only just over 2 months until Easter and in the Philippines they will be dusting off the crosses and sharpening the nails soon, in preparation for the crucifixions. It would impress me no end to see Francis stepping up to the plate and trying to stop this barbarism.

Mind you it's a good money spinner as the ghoulish flock to see the spectacle. This could in no small part, be the reason the practice has not been stopped long ago, by any authority.

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For the record (since I know you're curious), I consider that particular event to be a level of self-harm that borders on the pathological.

So if arth agrees this is pathological (well bordering on) how about those who practice self flagellation?

We can progress down the scale of self harm and even into the field of self denial. Where is the dividing line then when we are not over the pathological threshold? Just above or below eating meat on Friday perhaps?
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Old Yesterday, 05:24 PM   #806
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
So if arth agrees this is pathological (well bordering on) how about those who practice self flagellation?

We can progress down the scale of self harm and even into the field of self denial. Where is the dividing line then when we are not over the pathological threshold? Just above or below eating meat on Friday perhaps?
Nice slippery slope you've got going there. What about pierced ears? After all, those practicing crucifixion in the Philippines are putting holes in themselves, why shouldn't we define piercing your earlobe, or lip, or tongue, to be self-harm as well?

Obviously there are always going to be serious problems with predefining a firm and exact cutoff between pathological and nonpathological. Each individual is going to be different and will receive a different diagnosis if examined by a mental health professional.

Personally, since I know you're curious, and I'd like to stress again that I am not a mental health professional, if you're deliberately damaging your body - by crucifixion or self-flagellation, since those are the methods you bring up - I think it's possible that it's pathological. Self-harm can be a symptom of several different mental disorders including bipolar disorder, body dysmorphic disorder and major depressive disorder. If the Philippine crucifees were to voluntarily undergo a mental health assessment, they might be diagnosed with one of these. But then again, they might not.
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
Why did they bring in the "cult specialists"?
I think it was part of the "Satanic Panic" stuff in the 80's and 90's. They were trying to immunize us (via information) against joining cults, satanic or otherwise.
See: http://weekinweird.com/2016/07/19/wa...occult-crimes/

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The Law Enforcement Guide to Satanic Cults is one of these videos, and it’s a hell of a watch, if you’ll pardon the pun. Featuring “occult experts” with mullets that would put Billy Ray Cyrus to shame, interviews with alleged victims of satanic rituals, and dusty old men who dare to ponder how far America’s freedom of religion should extend, the 73-minute VHS tape is a glimpse into the Satanic Panic era that’s as frightening as it is hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISvFGdfAplg

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They used to also bring in people who claimed to be experts on subliminal advertising..."apostates" from the ad industry who said they used to put subliminal sex messages in their ads. Also, they'd bring in people who claimed to be adult aborted fetuses who survived abortion and were rescued out of dumpsters outside of abortion clinics by prolifers. Seems in retrospect there was a whole circuit of people who made a living touring private Christian schools, "teaching" kids about the evils of the outside, non-christian world.
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
Lots of eras.

The one thing that comes out load and clear is the God of Abraham is a master of screw ups.

1. He makes Adam and Eve perfect but they turn out flawed - their own fault of course.

2. He drowns the lot accept for Noah and family but this goes pear shaped as well.

3. He decides to have a special chosen people and screw the rest. Alas, no joy here either.

4. Sends down His son to take the wrap as a sacrifice but many will not buy into this because ..... well .... it's just plain silly.

5. The Islamists now tell us Muhammad tuned everything up and came up with the final word ....... sigh.

(Won't make any mention of Joh Smith and the Latter Day Sillies because the absurdity meter goes off the scale with this one.)
It ought to be apparent by now that Humans create Gods in their own image. We get the grand icons of our own stupidity.
Insane people, insane God. (Disclaimer: "Insane" in the popular usage meaning shy of rational potential.)
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Old Today, 01:28 PM   #809
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Nice slippery slope you've got going there. What about pierced ears? After all, those practicing crucifixion in the Philippines are putting holes in themselves, why shouldn't we define piercing your earlobe, or lip, or tongue, to be self-harm as well?
Interesting bit of a screw up here. You show the post material you are responding to as coming from dann but it was my little gem.

Apart from this you are doing the same thing others have done before that I find tiresome and have responded to elsewhere. It's the "But look, these other guys are doing the same thing" line. They may well be but this thread is about examining whether religious observance is insane.

None the less there are many types of self harm that folk do from putting plates in their lips to extending necks. There can be a fuzzy line between religious and other cultural reasons for this but to me it is insanity all the same.


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Obviously there are always going to be serious problems with predefining a firm and exact cutoff between pathological and nonpathological. Each individual is going to be different and will receive a different diagnosis if examined by a mental health professional.
And even greater divergence of diagnosis if the diagnosing guy is non professional.

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Personally, since I know you're curious, and I'd like to stress again that I am not a mental health professional, if you're deliberately damaging your body - by crucifixion or self-flagellation, since those are the methods you bring up - I think it's possible that it's pathological. Self-harm can be a symptom of several different mental disorders including bipolar disorder, body dysmorphic disorder and major depressive disorder. If the Philippine crucifees were to voluntarily undergo a mental health assessment, they might be diagnosed with one of these. But then again, they might not.
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