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Old 11th February 2019, 10:19 PM   #4561
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I have always understood "in the clear" to mean more what jr howell meant - being technically within the law - and did not find it confusing in context.
Seems to me that "in the clear" means more than that such as not also being plausibly sued by his investors or not even at blame at all. Is there a lawyer in the thread that can rule out that misleading investors to this degree wouldn't be criminal fraud? But even if it is only civil fraud at stake I don't see that as "in the clear".

From Collins: "If someone is in the clear, they are not in danger, or are not blamed or suspected of anything."
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Old 11th February 2019, 10:21 PM   #4562
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Well I don't think Mills will have it closed loop - to recharge the capacitors - by the end of February. Achieving a closed loop device that runs for several minutes at obviously very high power would sway some reasonable skeptics here. (There would have to be outside validators present as well.) But I can't see that happening within the month. So I'll lose the bet and, darn, have to eat my humble pie.
Yes of course you lose that bet. But what you still have not accepted yet is that Mills will never accomplish the above ever. You can make a new bet for 6 years from now, or 60 years from now, or infinity years from now. It simply can't happen because hydrinos don't exist. That's the real humble pie you have to eat, and it's not nearly as tasty as that fruit pie a few posts back. Quite bitter actually.
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Old 12th February 2019, 07:43 AM   #4563
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Originally Posted by The Norseman View Post
Very good point. Needs repeating, hence the quote.




Wouldn't the "dark matter" buzz also fit in there somewhere?
Absolutely, though not as purported tech for the next device iteration but similar to the negative space time curvature claims of Mills for the electron. Just something else to barely and superficially tack onto the overall purported theory. While apparently ignoring the geometric and topological consequences of the geometry. As I recall, every point would be a saddle point, topologically speaking, there would be no preferential low energy point, as is the case of a positively curved gravity well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_space

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddle_point

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_geometry

https://www.ams.org/journals/tran/19...-0251664-4.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_vector_field

The purported theory just seems to osmosivly subsume anything out there but again in a way evidently lacking any understanding or actual application of what it consumes.
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Old 12th February 2019, 01:08 PM   #4564
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Exclamation Still cannot understand the video he is touting

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Still don't know the power input,...
Still cannot understand the video he is touting!

It is a company propaganda video containing no science or numbers. His fantasies about it are just that. A "5kW" input fantasy. A "liquid gallium is being pumped" fantasy when all we hear is unknown machinery and muffled vices. An irrelevant guess about the power output.

The entire text of the description is "Capacitor Bank Ignition System Testing of a Spherical SunCell® Hydrino Reactor." ! This sounds like the test of ignition, not a test of a running, alleged "reactor". This might even be an empty sphere being heated by capacitors. It is probably chemical reactions inside a sphere heating it up. This has been done for centuries.
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Old 12th February 2019, 01:36 PM   #4565
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
Judging by past iterations Mills has now managed to persuade enough suckers to cough up the cash to keep him going for another five years or so. So I'd expect everything to go quiet for about 4 years, and then there will be another "about to go to market" announcement and the whole cycle will repeat.
More proof that no matter if he really said it or not, PT Barnum's statement on the high birthrate of the very gullible is still valid.
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
Still don't know the power input, I can only guess. My ballpark guess is 5kW.

Given that one of the only claims in the video posting is that it's running off a different power source (capacitors), of what value is your guess? Capacitors are typically used to deliver short bursts of very high power levels.

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Yes it is running at the start of the video ; the liquid gallium is being pumped. But there is no hydrogen. Only when the hydrogen is added does the reaction proceed and the temperature start to rise.

At what time mark in the video is the hydrogen added? What in the video (or audio) indicates the addition of the hydrogen?

Or is that another of your guesses?

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A key to understanding how we can know it starts near room temperature is to see how quickly the shade of red changes. One can tell the temperature by the shade of red. 500C is a dark dull red. 800 is a bright glowing red.
See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F..._-_1300_C).svg
The video shows the top of the sphere going from about 500C to 800C in just 6 seconds or so. A temperature rise from 20C to 500C would take about 6*(500-20)/(800-500) =~ 10 seconds, which is roughly the time it takes to achieve a dull dark red at 500C once the hydrogen is turned on.

The dull dark red of 500C would not be visible in lighted conditions. So it's starting at higher than 500C. Your 800C estimate based on the shades of red viewed in a browser is equally questionable. Also, we don't know how hot the interior surface of the sphere is at the start (or at any other time). We could be seeing mostly the passive conduction of heat from the interior to the exterior surface during those 6 seconds, which wouldn't necessarily require any power (input or generated) at all during those 6 seconds.

If only there were devices BLP could use to actually measure and display the power inputs, temperatures, mass flows and other relevant parameters of the run. Then you wouldn't have to guess.

Oh, well. As the old saying goes, if wishes were horses, we'd all have to spend a lot of time shoveling wish manure.

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https://www.maxwell.com/products/ultracapacitors/cells

Of course they can. But why are they being used in this setup, instead of whatever power supply BLP has been using for its arcs in all previous "tests"?

Could it be because they needed a higher power level for their "ignition" system? If so, congratulations, they've shown that a lot of power can make something heat up fast. If they had a time machine, maybe they could amaze Aristotle with that finding. But probably not.
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If so, congratulations, they've shown that a lot of power can make something heat up fast.
Well at least Mills FINALLY accomplished SOMETHING.

Next maybe he'll have a video of his using hydrinos to cool it down!!!
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If only there were devices BLP could use to actually measure and display the power inputs, temperatures, mass flows and other relevant parameters of the run. Then you wouldn't have to guess.
If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided! What skeptic here - besides perhaps SB - is on record as even believing what Mills has already said for months: that large current, low voltage is being fed into liquid gallium stream electrodes, and that there is a trace amount of gallium oxide in the gallium stream to serve as the source of H2O catalyst, that the cell atmosphere is mostly argon gas, with hydrogen gas fed into the cell as primarily fuel (and a small amount goes into making the H20 catalyst from the fixed trace oxygen inventory) ?

Answer: Nobody. Because if a skeptic believed that he would have to propose a conventional mechanism to explain the massive power output that is observed and how it could be distributed to the SunCell containment vessel as it is, as if a highly energetic plasma from within were heating it. This is why skeptics here are proposing alternative scenarios to explain where the heat is coming from, all of which involve blatant deception by Mills and BLP staff. If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.
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If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.
As you and your fellow Mills groupies have been "just saying" for thirty years. Any day now.....

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If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided! What skeptic here - besides perhaps SB - is on record as even believing what Mills has already said for months: that large current, low voltage is being fed into liquid gallium stream electrodes, and that there is a trace amount of gallium oxide in the gallium stream to serve as the source of H2O catalyst, that the cell atmosphere is mostly argon gas, with hydrogen gas fed into the cell as primarily fuel (and a small amount goes into making the H20 catalyst from the fixed trace oxygen inventory) ?

Answer: Nobody. Because if a skeptic believed that he would have to propose a conventional mechanism to explain the massive power output that is observed and how it could be distributed to the SunCell containment vessel as it is, as if a highly energetic plasma from within were heating it. This is why skeptics here are proposing alternative scenarios to explain where the heat is coming from, all of which involve blatant deception by Mills and BLP staff. If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.
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If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.

So where have you moved the goalposts now?
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If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided!
I suspect Mills learned his lesson from the spectrum debacle. He tried providing hard data there, only to be exposed as having faked the data when his results were outside of what the hardware could produce. Then he cocked it up again by repeating the "experiment" with hardware that could get the readings he wanted but he had the new data magically match the random noise generated by the previous hardware! At that point his defenders have to argue that it was a stunning coincidence that random noise from one piece of hardware just happened to perfectly match what Mills wanted to see and what he claimed to detect with different hardware.

Lying is much easier when you leave out details that can be checked or calculated.
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If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided!
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No one will believe anything without them that's for sure. The person making the claim is the one that has the burden of proof and so far all yammer on Mills part with no proof at all. Since this has dragged on for decades there is even less reason to believe what he says. Compounding the credibility problem for Mills is he has a lot at stake in making the claims. He seems to come across more a W.C. Fields character than scientist.

At least if there was some data people could run calculations and see if there was any validity to them so it would be a first step.

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If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.
Either that or the believers will soon be given another round of the same excuses to swallow. I can just hear Mills saying (spoken like Maxwell Smart) "missed it by that much".
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided! What skeptic here - besides perhaps SB - is on record as even believing what Mills has already said for months: that large current, low voltage is being fed into liquid gallium stream electrodes, and that there is a trace amount of gallium oxide in the gallium stream to serve as the source of H2O catalyst, that the cell atmosphere is mostly argon gas, with hydrogen gas fed into the cell as primarily fuel (and a small amount goes into making the H20 catalyst from the fixed trace oxygen inventory) ?
Galium burns too you know. Just like Magnesium and Titanium and every other so called "catalyst" for Mill's so called "hydrino" reaction. And "mostly" is not the same as "all", nor is it quantified to give us a range of scientific error. In fact it could be anywhere from 50.1% to 99.9% This means every version of Mill's equipment has multiple mundane explanations without having to resort to fantasy unicorn farts (hydrinos).

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Answer: Nobody. Because if a skeptic believed that he would have to propose a conventional mechanism to explain the massive power output that is observed and how it could be distributed to the SunCell containment vessel as it is, as if a highly energetic plasma from within were heating it. This is why skeptics here are proposing alternative scenarios to explain where the heat is coming from, all of which involve blatant deception by Mills and BLP staff. If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.
LOLZ It is ridiculously easy to find conventional mechanisms for power output when the equipment Mills uses is as poorly controlled as that. We don't even have an estimate of energy inputs, much less any measurements of output at all! Just look as say wow it turned cherry red LMAO. The only shame here is that Mills actually conned people into investing in such a kindergarten effort.
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If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided! What skeptic here - besides perhaps SB - is on record as even believing what Mills has already said for months: that large current, low voltage is being fed into liquid gallium stream electrodes, and that there is a trace amount of gallium oxide in the gallium stream to serve as the source of H2O catalyst, that the cell atmosphere is mostly argon gas, with hydrogen gas fed into the cell as primarily fuel (and a small amount goes into making the H20 catalyst from the fixed trace oxygen inventory) ?



Answer: Nobody. Because if a skeptic believed that he would have to propose a conventional mechanism to explain the massive power output that is observed and how it could be distributed to the SunCell containment vessel as it is, as if a highly energetic plasma from within were heating it. This is why skeptics here are proposing alternative scenarios to explain where the heat is coming from, all of which involve blatant deception by Mills and BLP staff. If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.
Without the figures how can Mills know all this?
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If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided! What skeptic here - besides perhaps SB - is on record as even believing what Mills has already said for months: that large current, low voltage is being fed into liquid gallium stream electrodes, and that there is a trace amount of gallium oxide in the gallium stream to serve as the source of H2O catalyst, that the cell atmosphere is mostly argon gas, with hydrogen gas fed into the cell as primarily fuel (and a small amount goes into making the H20 catalyst from the fixed trace oxygen inventory) ?

Answer: Nobody. Because if a skeptic believed that he would have to propose a conventional mechanism to explain the massive power output that is observed and how it could be distributed to the SunCell containment vessel as it is, as if a highly energetic plasma from within were heating it. This is why skeptics here are proposing alternative scenarios to explain where the heat is coming from, all of which involve blatant deception by Mills and BLP staff. If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.
This is demagoguery
If Mills met even the basic standards there would be something to talk about

1. Independent observation and hopefully inspection
2. Measurement of actual inputs
3. Standard still water baths to calculate calorie output
4. Established running times

Then I think you would be surprised by the response people here would show.
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Galium burns too you know. Just like Magnesium and Titanium and every other so called "catalyst" for Mill's so called "hydrino" reaction. And "mostly" is not the same as "all", nor is it quantified to give us a range of scientific error. In fact it could be anywhere from 50.1% to 99.9% This means every version of Mill's equipment has multiple mundane explanations without having to resort to fantasy unicorn farts (hydrinos).

LOLZ It is ridiculously easy to find conventional mechanisms for power output when the equipment Mills uses is as poorly controlled as that. We don't even have an estimate of energy inputs, much less any measurements of output at all! Just look as say wow it turned cherry red LMAO. The only shame here is that Mills actually conned people into investing in such a kindergarten effort.
You say it is "ridiculously easy to find" a conventional mechanism, and yet ... you don't find it. Empty words. Mills has given enough information about what is in the SunCell and what is being fed into it, yet no one offers a conventional explanation for what would generate such an energetic plasma.
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This is demagoguery
If Mills met even the basic standards there would be something to talk about

1. Independent observation and hopefully inspection
2. Measurement of actual inputs
3. Standard still water baths to calculate calorie output
4. Established running times

Then I think you would be surprised by the response people here would show.
Sure, sure. Just like I was surprised by the positive responses people here have given to the validation reports BLP has accrued through the years.
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Without the figures how can Mills know all this?
How you can think Mills doesn't know the figures is a puzzler.
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Sure, sure. Just like I was surprised by the positive responses people here have given to the validation reports BLP has accrued through the years.

Which come only from BLP. How much of Product Hydrino® “in a bottle” did BLP sell last year?
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If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided! What skeptic here - besides perhaps SB - is on record as even believing what Mills has already said for months: that large current, low voltage is being fed into liquid gallium stream electrodes, and that there is a trace amount of gallium oxide in the gallium stream to serve as the source of H2O catalyst, that the cell atmosphere is mostly argon gas, with hydrogen gas fed into the cell as primarily fuel (and a small amount goes into making the H20 catalyst from the fixed trace oxygen inventory) ?

Answer: Nobody. Because if a skeptic believed that he would have to propose a conventional mechanism to explain the massive power output that is observed and how it could be distributed to the SunCell containment vessel as it is, as if a highly energetic plasma from within were heating it. This is why skeptics here are proposing alternative scenarios to explain where the heat is coming from, all of which involve blatant deception by Mills and BLP staff. If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.

Who cares what I believe? Or what you believe? We were discussing what, if anything, the video is evidence of.

There's no problem saying that it's evidence Mills has an apparatus, parts of which heat up to incandescent orange temperatures some time after it begins making a buzzing noise.

The video provides some limited evidence of the rate at which heat is being generated, but it's not enough evidence for any definitive conclusion, so we can (and did) argue a bit about what the best estimate from that limited evidence might be. Your rant about belief was in reply to my pointing out the obvious facts (not beliefs) that temperature measurements, which are not difficult to make or display, would have been helpful (though not definitive by themselves) in improving that estimate.

The video provides no evidence whatsoever about how the heat is being generated. Anybody can believe what they want, but the video does nothing to confirm anything.
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I just went to BLP's website and clicked on one of the "validation reports" at random. It's pathetic. It's a guy who went to BLP facilities and watched them put on a show. Not even close to a credible independent validation.


https://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-c...ergReport2.pdf
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You say it is "ridiculously easy to find" a conventional mechanism, and yet ... you don't find it. Empty words. Mills has given enough information about what is in the SunCell and what is being fed into it, yet no one offers a conventional explanation for what would generate such an energetic plasma.
Dude, he literally mentioned a few possible conventional explanations in the very post you were relying to. If you're going to bluster, at least make an effort at remedial plausibility.

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Sure, sure. Just like I was surprised by the positive responses people here have given to the validation reports BLP has accrued through the years.
Because those reports were garbage. We've been over specific ones many times in this thread. The best of them were nothing more than renting someone else's equipment to get, "Yeah, this makes more heat than what BLP says it should based on what BLP says is in it."

Blindly repeating the lie that there's third party confirmation of hydrinos won't magically make it true.
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Mills has given enough information about what is in the SunCell and what is being fed into it, yet no one offers a conventional explanation for what would generate such an energetic plasma.
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Sure, sure. Just like I was surprised by the positive responses people here have given to the validation reports BLP has accrued through the years.
Numbers presented by Mills and reports paid for by Mills don't cut it when the most likely explanations for the results being claimed are deception and incompetence. Mills has made a very extraordinary claim and needs irrefutable, independently produced evidence to back it.
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
You say it is "ridiculously easy to find" a conventional mechanism, and yet ... you don't find it. Empty words. Mills has given enough information about what is in the SunCell and what is being fed into it, yet no one offers a conventional explanation for what would generate such an energetic plasma.
Lets just start with the easiest and most obvious. all refined metals have stored potential energy from the refining process, which can be rapidly released when they melt or are heated to a plasma state. Then there is the additional energy from burning metals, which is quite high density by the way, that's why magnesium flares or thermite or any number of other burning metal flares are so hot and bright. Phosphorus, titanium ... all metals have this characteristic. Then of course is the very common burning of the equipment itself. Never once has Mills described in any paper I ever saw a quantity , or even a "guesstimate" for energy released when the equipment itself corrodes or melts down/burns up. I have mentioned hydrogen embrittlement to you numerous times, when did Mill's ever quantify how much energy was released from that? Never. Not to mention any number of unknown possible chemical reactions occurring due to not having a controlled atmosphere inside.

You can't just hand wave all these away. We can't even measure them or estimate them because Mill's doesn't even allow independent investigation. We don't know the purity of the gallium or titanium or tungsten or whatever new reactant he might be using this time. Nor do we even know what other reactant are mixed in it. Nor can we see the rate it is added, nor the rate at which it burns. Basically Mill's showed some of these things in previous models, and since they all failed, he is now taking the strategy to completely closing the whole thing and quantifying nothing at all. Can't debunk it if he never said anything in the first place.

The fault with this new strategy is that we don't need to debunk it either. Because he has given nothing to debunk.

I could light a candle and say see hydrinos..and be equally convincing.
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Originally Posted by Red Baron Farms View Post
I could light a candle and say see hydrinos..and be equally convincing.
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Markie, head over to Metabunk and offer all your evidence to Mick.

See what he can do for your hero.
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
Sure, sure. Just like I was surprised by the positive responses people here have given to the validation reports BLP has accrued through the years.
Which one had metered connections and a still water bath.
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
How you can think Mills doesn't know the figures is a puzzler.

Care to share them?
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
How you can think Mills doesn't know the figures is a puzzler.
Actually we *do* think Mills knows the figures (or at least close enough). And we think that's why he's not giving them out.
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Originally Posted by Red Baron Farms View Post
Lets just start with the easiest and most obvious. all refined metals have stored potential energy from the refining process, which can be rapidly released when they melt or are heated to a plasma state.
Huh? It requires energy to melt or vaporize metals, it does not release energy. You may be thinking of the energy stored in metallic lattices like tempered steel which can be released slowly over time as the lattice relaxes.

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Then there is the additional energy from burning metals, which is quite high density by the way, that's why magnesium flares or thermite or any number of other burning metal flares are so hot and bright. Phosphorus, titanium ... all metals have this characteristic. Then of course is the very common burning of the equipment itself. Never once has Mills described in any paper I ever saw a quantity , or even a "guesstimate" for energy released when the equipment itself corrodes or melts down/burns up.
This requires an oxidizing agent, in large amounts. This is not present in the SunCell. Only a fixed 'trace' amount of gallium oxide is present.

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I have mentioned hydrogen embrittlement to you numerous times, when did Mill's ever quantify how much energy was released from that? Never. Not to mention any number of unknown possible chemical reactions occurring due to not having a controlled atmosphere inside.
While it is true that hydrogen absorption and hydride formation in metals is exothermic, the reverse happens at higher temperatures: the hydrogen is desorbed, and energy is consumed. Put some gallium in a hydrogen atmosphere and see what happens. No much.
Any chemist here (I doubt there is one) will know there is no conventional mechanism for generating the energetic plasma inside a SunCell. If there is one here, speak up and let's have it!

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You can't just hand wave all these away. We can't even measure them or estimate them because Mill's doesn't even allow independent investigation. We don't know the purity of the gallium or titanium or tungsten or whatever new reactant he might be using this time. Nor do we even know what other reactant are mixed in it. Nor can we see the rate it is added, nor the rate at which it burns. Basically Mill's showed some of these things in previous models, and since they all failed, he is now taking the strategy to completely closing the whole thing and quantifying nothing at all. Can't debunk it if he never said anything in the first place.
The previous open versions of the SunCell did not 'fail'. The open versions were a a necessary step to the closed versions.
And, Mills knows what is going into his SunCell. While there are probably trade secrets involved, he has given enough information for us to know there is no conventional chemical explanation for what is occurring.
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Originally Posted by Dancing David View Post
Which one had metered connections and a still water bath.
Lots of BLP experiments involve still water bath, including bomb calorimetry.
For instance from https://brilliantlightpower.com/validation-reports/

Calorimetry of Solid Fuel: This thermal power and energy test verified the measured optical powers and energies of single solid fuel shots. The total thermal power levels of over 300 kW were limited by the size of the test cell. A subsequent test with a 2 times larger test cell produced 440 kW. The tests were carried out in a commercial water bath calorimeter using 80 mg, 2mm diameter silver shots with a small amount of partially hydrated oxide doping run under an 95% argon and 5% hydrogen atmosphere. The shots were ignited in the water-submerged cell. The energy was determined by the temperature rise of the known amount of water in the bath, and the average power was determined from the energy released and the event duration.
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