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But it's costing jobs in that same rust belt, and it's costing consumers everywhere.
Forbes: Tariffs Are Costing Jobs: A Look At How Many |
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Legislation is the same as impeachment proceedings: the fact that the other side will vote against it and defeat it is not a reason not to do it. It's just different kind of reason why you should: to make them be seen taking that stand .
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The rust belt also has zero patience for another politician who repeats all the time, "look, everything is all better now!" while their factories are still shuttered, their schools are still terrible, and their friends are still overdosing on pills.
They understand the difference between the DJIA and main street. For some segment of them (and we only need a few % in a few districts), his promises are now black Mark's, not victories. ETA: at the same time, though, if we repeat the Schumer strategy, that potential advantage is negated and it's the same ethnic nationalism/evangelicals vs. socialists fight we've had for 30 years. |
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Wouldn't it be ironic, after all his posturing to his deplorables, if Trump turns out to be the victim of voter apathy this time -- can't bring themselves to vote for the Dem but can't vote for that ******** again.
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Also wrong.
Also, the stupidity of this forum does not disappoint. --- But look at it this way: We both agree that Williamson would make a better president than Donald Trump, yes? And we both agree that it would annoy the Democratic establishment to no end if she were elected, yes? Then why do you find it so hard to believe that I would prefer Williamson over any other Dem in the primaries, and prefer her over Trump in the general? |
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Bullcrap.
Ohio's unemployment rate is dropping like a rock. It's at 4%. Same with Pennsylvania, 4%. West Virginia's is at 4.8%. Indiana's is at 3.3%. The mythical "Blue Wall" that Democrats swore up and down they had lost them the last election and they ain't getting it back when the unemployment rate is averaging out to below 4% and dropping. You ain't winning against "4% unemployment in Ohio, when it was 10% or more as recently as 2010." And yes, I'm aware of what under-employement is. Trump: "Unemployment in the Rust Belt hasn't been lower in years!" Democrats: "Okay well that's over simplifying it. You see (continues on for 5 minutes perfectly accurately about quality of jobs, living wage, upward mobility, wage stagnation, wage inequality, how the unemployment rate can be effected by people no longer looking for jobs, and the price of tea in China.)" Trump just won. He has a simple, concise "technically correct" out of context soundbite. They have a longer, more nuance, more actually correct argument. He wins. |
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A Roomba put on a Ouiji board would make a better President then Trump.
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Just saw Williamson being interviewed by Trevor Noah. As Trevor noted, she seems less crazy when she has time for a complete answer.
I think she has the right approach, but I don't know if she is the right candidate.
Not sure if that is the full interview as it was shown on CC online or the shorter version that aired. |
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Yes, Ohio unemployment, has been dropping since 2010, like elsewhere, but it is undeniable that Trump's tariffs have cost jobs and brought farms to the verge of collapse, and now he has escalated. There is no doubt that overall the trade war is bad for the economy, and Trump is stuck with simply claiming that it isn't. People will decide based on their own circumstance, not labor statistics. The election is more than a year away, and Trump is betting (your) farm on winning his trade war.
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At every opportunity, Trump boasts about having the lowest black unemployment in history, despite the fact that he has done absolutely nothing that deserves any credit for that. Then, when a perfect opportunity arose to show how concerned he was about the issue -- when FOX showed him that slum in Baltimore -- all he could think of was how to blame their Congressman for it and tell him to go home and fix it. Because Trump is going golfing.
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And yet we have Trump.
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I understand the Bernie movement. There is no sense arguing this with you anymore than there is sense arguing the rational world with Trump lovers. I don't believe the voting public is anywhere close to voting in what will quickly be labeled "redistribution of the wealth". Trump will campaign on the "great economy" and he'll win. |
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So would an orangoutang. Your framing of that question is dishonest.
No, I don't agree with that at all. Were the Democrats to elect Williamson as their candidate, it would mean they wanted her. Trolling was one of the possibilities. |
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"Would have won had not X happned" is still losing.
And you think 2016 was hard? Think about it, Trump knows if he loses the Presidency or if the Senate goes Blue in 2020 he's looking at a probable prison sentence. This is going to be the dirtiest campaign in history. Everything they threw against Hillary in 2016 they are gonna sling times 10 at whoever the Dems decide to put up. |
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![]() That's on the surface. Look under the hood. I suggest you start with Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a President - What We Don't, Can't, and Do Know Jamieson's university page |
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lol, Travis for President!
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