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Old 12th November 2019, 08:54 PM   #1
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Stephen Miller e-mails leaked

Well, this should be interesting:

Stephen Miller’s Affinity for White Nationalism Revealed in Leaked Emails (SPLC)

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In the run-up to the 2016 election, White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller promoted white nationalist literature, pushed racist immigration stories and obsessed over the loss of Confederate symbols after Dylann Roof’s murderous rampage, according to leaked emails reviewed by Hatewatch.

The emails, which Miller sent to the conservative website Breitbart News in 2015 and 2016, showcase the extremist, anti-immigrant ideology that undergirds the policies he has helped create as an architect of Donald Trump’s presidency. These policies include reportedly setting arrest quotas for undocumented immigrants, an executive order effectively banning immigration from five Muslim-majority countries and a policy of family separation at refugee resettlement facilities that the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Inspector General said is causing “intense trauma” in children.

In this, the first of what will be a series about those emails, Hatewatch exposes the racist source material that has influenced Miller’s visions of policy. That source material, as laid out in his emails to Breitbart, includes white nationalist websites, a “white genocide”-themed novel in which Indian men rape white women, xenophobic conspiracy theories and eugenics-era immigration laws that Adolf Hitler lauded in “Mein Kampf.”

Hatewatch reviewed more than 900 previously private emails Miller sent to Breitbart editors from March 4, 2015, to June 27, 2016. Miller does not converse along a wide range of topics in the emails. His focus is strikingly narrow – more than 80 percent of the emails Hatewatch reviewed relate to or appear on threads relating to the subjects of race or immigration. Hatewatch made multiple attempts to reach the White House for a comment from Miller about the content of his emails but did not receive any reply.
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Old 13th November 2019, 12:29 AM   #2
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I've read through most of Miller's leaked e-mails now. He makes some good points.
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Old 13th November 2019, 02:58 AM   #3
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I'm shocked. Who would have thought it?
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Old 13th November 2019, 03:05 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
I've read through most of Miller's leaked e-mails now. He makes some good points.
That about sums up the position of around 40% of the US electorate IMO - unfortunately (though I doubt that most would have read the emails but the summary would have been sufficient to garner their support).
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Old 13th November 2019, 04:35 AM   #5
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I've read through most of Miller's leaked e-mails now. He makes some good points.
I've read up on the history of Vlad the Impaler. He made some good points too.
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Wait, you mean to tell me he actually agreed with all those things he said and did for the last three years?
Color me surprised!
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Old 13th November 2019, 06:43 AM   #7
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I assume that the Trump administration will distance itself from Miller now.
Right?
Right?
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A guy in the administration is referencing The Camp of the Saints and sending people links to Steve Sailer articles at Vdare. That's depressing, but I guess not surprising. An aide to Alabama Senator, Jeff Sessions, really is a white nationalist. Knock me over with a feather.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I assume that the Trump administration will distance itself from Miller now.
Right?
Right?
Firing Miller would endanger his support among the ethno-nationalist base. Trump doesn't want these right wing goons turning on him and showing up at his events to heckle him like they have been other conservatives that they find inadequately radical.
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Old 13th November 2019, 03:52 PM   #10
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Remember when the fringe right tried to malign Obama by creating this completely made up idea his cabinet was some arm of the black panthers? Funny enough Trump is literally in cohoots with white nationalist and the right is silent on the issue.
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In any other administration, regardless of party, Miller would have been fired by now over this smoking gun tying him to white nationalist organziations.
In the Trump administration, it's will probably get him a promotion.
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Old 13th November 2019, 04:41 PM   #12
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Real irony is that to most of his white nationalist allies; Miller remains a evil, dirty Jew.
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Old 13th November 2019, 08:32 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Real irony is that to most of his white nationalist allies; Miller remains a evil, dirty Jew.
Does he?

I get the impression that he's one of the "good ones", if they even make it explicit, which I haven't heard.
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Old 14th November 2019, 02:59 AM   #14
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I've read through most of Miller's leaked e-mails now. He makes some good points.
And those points are?
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Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat View Post
And those points are?
I think you've been Cained
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Does he?

I get the impression that he's one of the "good ones", if they even make it explicit, which I haven't heard.


All that means is he'll be the last one they put in the gas chamber.
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Real irony is that to most of his white nationalist allies; Miller remains a evil, dirty Jew.
The Catholics also forget they are the next group up against the wall
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So...

We been knew.
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So...

We been knew.
True, but it's nice to have the smoking gun.
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The Catholics also forget they are the next group up against the wall
Cahtolics also need to remember that a lot of the evangelicals still basically see them as Evil Papists, and as soon as their political usefulness in the anti abortion drive ends, the Fundies will turn on them.
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As one of my Jewish co workers said, Miller takes the term "Self Hating Jew" to new lows...
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As one of my Jewish co workers said, Miller takes the term "Self Hating Jew" to new lows...
Yeah.

Nazi-wannabes are just...disgusting.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
True, but it's nice to have the smoking gun.
Which part is the smoking gun, exactly?
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
As one of my Jewish co workers said, Miller takes the term "Self Hating Jew" to new lows...
The american ethno-nationalists seem kind of divided on the issues of whether Jewish people count as proper white folks or as "the other". Of course, budding fascists with an appreciation for their own ideology's history know that Jews are not to be tolerated, but some are starting to see that as outdated and are willing to treat Jews as just other white people. Especially when you have extremely right wing Jews, like Miller, doing such productive work for the nationalists.

The original European understanding of ethno-nationalism isn't really a perfect fit for the US. Many nationalists here don't bother differentiating between the various stocks of white Europeans the way a proper German Nazi might have, but rather just paint the lines as Western whites vs. everyone else. The trope of the scheming, cosmopolitan Jew is hard to shake, but there is growing acceptance under the American nationalist umbrella.

In a lot of ways, Israel is admired. It's a highly militarized nation with a vibrant far-right political party in control with aspirations of becoming an ethnostate.
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Cahtolics also need to remember that a lot of the evangelicals still basically see them as Evil Papists, and as soon as their political usefulness in the anti abortion drive ends, the Fundies will turn on them.
I've commented to my mom, a good Irish Catholic immigrant who constantly takes up GOP points, how they seem to have a lot of "reformed" Catholics and even have a few incidents of saying Catholics aren't Christians. In fact, the GOP looks more like Scientology every day.
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
Which part is the smoking gun, exactly?
DId you bother to read the story?
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A guy in the administration is referencing The Camp of the Saints and sending people links to Steve Sailer articles at Vdare. That's depressing, but I guess not surprising. An aide to Alabama Senator, Jeff Sessions, really is a white nationalist. Knock me over with a feather.
If someone is reading Steve Sailer, Vdare and other dissident publications this is an indication he wishes to be informed about the world as opposed to being misinformed.

Steve Sailer recently drew attention to the fact that his blog was considered to be the most accurate by intelligence researchers.

Survey of expert opinion on intelligence: Intelligence research, experts' background, controversial issues, and the media

"Experts were skeptical of the quality of media reports on intelligence research (Table 4). In general, mean expert ratings of media accuracy were around 3–4, on a scale of 1 (very inaccurate) to 9 (very accurate). Only two media outlets received positive ratings, the blogs of Steve Sailer (M = 7.38, N = 26 ratings) and Anatoly Karlin."*

The mainstream media did terrible regarding accuracy in intelligence reporting. 1 (very inaccurate) to 9 (very accurate )

Steve Sailer blog: Rating 7.38
Anatoly Karlin blog: Rating 6.1

New York Times: Rating: 3.81
Guardian: Rating 3.57
Washington Post: Rating 3.54
Newsweek: Rating 3.5
Commercial television networks: Rating 2.67

I would imagine that most of the commenters here are probably big consumers of media that was rated poorly by the experts. People who wish to consume Pravda-like propaganda can always turn to the fake news media. People who wish to discover the Truth turn to the Samizdat media.

Steve Sailer once noted that he needed to develop his own niche as writer and a journalist. So he decided to tell the truth. This, however, is not a niche that pays well or will win you any awards. But it isn't merely on one topic, but all topics if you wish to discover the Truth you have to go to the alt-media. I cannot think of one important thing I've ever learned from watching fake news media. I watch it on occasion to see what is the propaganda their selling to the masses today.

* Both Steve Sailer and Anatoly Karlin blog at Unz Review now.

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In any other administration, regardless of party, Miller would have been fired by now over this smoking gun tying him to white nationalist organziations.
In the Trump administration, it's will probably get him a promotion.
These are media publications. Why exactly should someone be fired for reading media that you disagree with? As I noted above, according to experts, it is far more accurate than the mainstream media.

This is why the modern left is a cult. People should be fired for heresy, not for reporting bad information.

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As one of my Jewish co workers said, Miller takes the term "Self Hating Jew" to new lows...
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Yeah.

Nazi-wannabes are just...disgusting.
If you are opposed to massive amounts of immigration you are a self-hating Jew or a Nazi wannabe. Hmm....Now what about Jews who were opposed to immigration before the Nazis were even around.

We should remember the riveting southerner and first Jewish Congressman, Lewis Charles Levin. He was strongly opposed to mass immigration especially from Catholics.

Then there was Samuel Gompers the Jewish head of the American Federation of Labor. He favored every type of immigration restriction imaginable; the Chinese Exclusion Act, Emergency Quota Act, Immigration Act of 1924.

Mass immigration and open borders only recently became an obsession of the Left. Even someone like Cesar Chavez would be called a "Nazi" today.
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Old 16th November 2019, 07:57 AM   #28
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Stephen Miller e-mails leaked

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Originally Posted by tanabear View Post
If someone is reading Steve Sailer, Vdare and other dissident publications this is an indication he wishes to be informed about the world as opposed to being misinformed.

Steve Sailer recently drew attention to the fact that his blog was considered to be the most accurate by intelligence researchers.

Survey of expert opinion on intelligence: Intelligence research, experts' background, controversial issues, and the media
I took a look at your link and couldn't find any of that there.
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Anyone know where these e-mails can be found?
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Originally Posted by tanabear View Post
If someone is reading Steve Sailer, Vdare and other dissident publications this is an indication he wishes to be informed about the world as opposed to being misinformed.

Steve Sailer recently drew attention to the fact that his blog was considered to be the most accurate by intelligence researchers.

Survey of expert opinion on intelligence: Intelligence research, experts' background, controversial issues, and the media

"Experts were skeptical of the quality of media reports on intelligence research (Table 4). In general, mean expert ratings of media accuracy were around 3–4, on a scale of 1 (very inaccurate) to 9 (very accurate). Only two media outlets received positive ratings, the blogs of Steve Sailer (M = 7.38, N = 26 ratings) and Anatoly Karlin."*

The mainstream media did terrible regarding accuracy in intelligence reporting. 1 (very inaccurate) to 9 (very accurate )

Steve Sailer blog: Rating 7.38
Anatoly Karlin blog: Rating 6.1

New York Times: Rating: 3.81
Guardian: Rating 3.57
Washington Post: Rating 3.54
Newsweek: Rating 3.5
Commercial television networks: Rating 2.67

I would imagine that most of the commenters here are probably big consumers of media that was rated poorly by the experts. People who wish to consume Pravda-like propaganda can always turn to the fake news media. People who wish to discover the Truth turn to the Samizdat media.

Steve Sailer once noted that he needed to develop his own niche as writer and a journalist. So he decided to tell the truth. This, however, is not a niche that pays well or will win you any awards. But it isn't merely on one topic, but all topics if you wish to discover the Truth you have to go to the alt-media. I cannot think of one important thing I've ever learned from watching fake news media. I watch it on occasion to see what is the propaganda their selling to the masses today.

* Both Steve Sailer and Anatoly Karlin blog at Unz Review now.



These are media publications. Why exactly should someone be fired for reading media that you disagree with? As I noted above, according to experts, it is far more accurate than the mainstream media.

This is why the modern left is a cult. People should be fired for heresy, not for reporting bad information.




If you are opposed to massive amounts of immigration you are a self-hating Jew or a Nazi wannabe. Hmm....Now what about Jews who were opposed to immigration before the Nazis were even around.

We should remember the riveting southerner and first Jewish Congressman, Lewis Charles Levin. He was strongly opposed to mass immigration especially from Catholics.

Then there was Samuel Gompers the Jewish head of the American Federation of Labor. He favored every type of immigration restriction imaginable; the Chinese Exclusion Act, Emergency Quota Act, Immigration Act of 1924.

Mass immigration and open borders only recently became an obsession of the Left. Even someone like Cesar Chavez would be called a "Nazi" today.
Cool, so you've proven selection bias.

This study isn't really much of anything. It only had a 20% response rate, meaning that the majority of their subjects of their meta survey didn't even bother to participate.

Of the 100 ish that did respond, only 26 responded to the questions about Steve Sailer. Seems that the vast majority of professionals aren't even aware enough of it to have an opinion. The small minority that did know of it rated it highly.

Crackpot blog has highly supportive, small following. That's the nature of crackpot blogs.

Only 10 responded to the question about Anatoly Karlin, and they rated him slightly lower than Sailer. Seems that he's even too nutty for the average hard-righter.

I'm not sure what you think you've shown here. Insular racists think their fringe racist blogs are really good. The general profession has low opinion of mainstream news on topics in which they are subject matter experts. None of this is shocking.
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Anyone know where these e-mails can be found?
They were leaked directly to SPLC's Hatewatch, and as far as I know, they haven't released them in full. I doubt they will anytime soon, giving these away would be inviting other outlets to scoop their story.

Perhaps they will release them in full once their series is over. Doesn't seem like anyone else has access to them, besides the former Breitbart editor who leaked them, so I'd keep my eye on the SPLC for any dump in the future.
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Do we really need to read them? Is anyone surprised the Stephen Miller is a white supremacist, has a relationship with Breitbart, or is so stupid/confident that his opinions are secretly mainstream that he was willing to document them in an easily traceable medium?
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Do we really need to read them? Is anyone surprised the Stephen Miller is a white supremacist, has a relationship with Breitbart, or is so stupid/confident that his opinions are secretly mainstream that he was willing to document them in an easily traceable medium?
Nobody who has been paying attention is surprised at Miller's prejudices, but Trumptards need strong evidence to be convinced.
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Nobody who has been paying attention is surprised at Miller's prejudices, but Trumptards need strong evidence to be convinced.
And then ignore it.
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Miller is Anonymous. I just read the book review. Only a complete bigot would complain about everything else Trump did and ignore family separation. Maybe it's in the book and the review didn't mention that but I doubt it.
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Nice theory.
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Why are people so worried about links to white supremacists? I have it on good authority that they are "fine people" (tm)
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
DId you bother to read the story?
I read about a third of the emails and then gave up.

So... which ones are the smoking gun?
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Why are people so worried about links to white supremacists? I have it on good authority that they are "fine people" (tm)
Who on Earth told you that?
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