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Old 25th July 2020, 10:36 AM   #161
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Boris on the news reflecting on the govt handling of the virus.says

"We didn't understand in the way that we would have liked in the first few weeks and months, there are things we need to learn"

He fails to mention he didn't pay attention to emerging events/actions from other countries, failed to attend 5 COBRA meetings went on holiday for a significant time, declined to join EU scheme for sourcing PPE and wouldn't read briefings unless they were short enough to fit one one side of A4.
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Perhaps it's the royal we.
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Old 25th July 2020, 11:40 AM   #163
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Govt to announce shortly that tourists in Spain will have to quarantine for two weeks when they return (unless they're back by midnight tonight). Second wave of Covid-19 there has prompted decision to kick Spain off the safe country list
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Boris on the news reflecting on the govt handling of the virus.says

"We didn't understand in the way that we would have liked in the first few weeks and months, there are things we need to learn"

He fails to mention he didn't pay attention to emerging events/actions from other countries, failed to attend 5 COBRA meetings went on holiday for a significant time, declined to join EU scheme for sourcing PPE and wouldn't read briefings unless they were short enough to fit one one side of A4.
Indeed - and I saw plenty of epidemiologists on Twitter pointing out the severity.
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Old 25th July 2020, 01:16 PM   #165
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Govt to announce shortly that tourists in Spain will have to quarantine for two weeks when they return (unless they're back by midnight tonight). Second wave of Covid-19 there has prompted decision to kick Spain off the safe country list

Oh for crying out loud. https://twitter.com/dtaylor5633/stat...20545260216322
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Old 25th July 2020, 02:49 PM   #166
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Transport Secretary Grant Shapps is on holiday in Spain. He will remain there for the duration of his holiday and will then have to self-isolate for 14 days when he gets back.
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this is the same Grant Shapps who said back in April that he wouldn't be taking a holiday this year because of the pandemic.
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Old 25th July 2020, 03:48 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Boris on the news reflecting on the govt handling of the virus.says

"We didn't understand in the way that we would have liked in the first few weeks and months, there are things we need to learn"

He fails to mention he didn't pay attention to emerging events/actions from other countries, failed to attend 5 COBRA meetings went on holiday for a significant time, declined to join EU scheme for sourcing PPE and wouldn't read briefings unless they were short enough to fit one one side of A4.
"We didn't understand" appears to be the equivalent of Trump's "nobody knew".

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Govt to announce shortly that tourists in Spain will have to quarantine for two weeks when they return (unless they're back by midnight tonight). Second wave of Covid-19 there has prompted decision to kick Spain off the safe country list
Why the hell is Spain even letting Brits in? Oh yeah, $$$.

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Transport Secretary Grant Shapps is on holiday in Spain. He will remain there for the duration of his holiday and will then have to self-isolate for 14 days when he gets back.
Sure, he will.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Boris on the news reflecting on the govt handling of the virus.says

"We didn't understand in the way that we would have liked in the first few weeks and months, there are things we need to learn"

He fails to mention he didn't pay attention to emerging events/actions from other countries, failed to attend 5 COBRA meetings went on holiday for a significant time, declined to join EU scheme for sourcing PPE and wouldn't read briefings unless they were short enough to fit one one side of A4.
Translation "We're too arrogant to learn from other people"
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Old 25th July 2020, 11:06 PM   #170
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Transport Secretary Grant Shapps is on holiday in Spain. He will remain there for the duration of his holiday and will then have to self-isolate for 14 days when he gets back.
We have friends whose flight back from Ibiza was due to land at 0030 this morning. They will have to self-isolate for 14 days. If the flight was 31 minutes early they wouldn't have to. Crazy
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Why crazy? These things have to have a defined starting time and midnight is as good as anything. What alternative would you suggest?
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Old 26th July 2020, 01:45 AM   #172
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Transport Secretary Grant Shapps is on holiday in Spain. He will remain there for the duration of his holiday and will then have to self-isolate for 14 days when he gets back.
Barnard's Castle is trending on twitter, as people report that they're building an airport there specifically so Shapps doesn't have to isolate when he returns.
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Old 26th July 2020, 02:16 AM   #173
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Barnard's Castle is trending on twitter, as people report that they're building an airport there specifically so Shapps doesn't have to isolate when he returns.
Or perhaps he could use the same method of calculating time as Farage did.
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Old 26th July 2020, 02:28 AM   #174
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Why crazy? These things have to have a defined starting time and midnight is as good as anything. What alternative would you suggest?
AFAIK there's a break at most (all?) uk airports between 0100 and 0500. Put the starting time during that period so you don't have quite such an arbitrary cut off for a day's arrivals
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Why crazy? These things have to have a defined starting time and midnight is as good as anything. What alternative would you suggest?
Take off time?
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Take off time?
That's another alternative, at least that doesn't so obviously discriminate against people in the North.
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They need to set a time, and it needs to apply to all arrivals, whether by plane, boat or train. The start of the day is the easiest to administer.
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Take off time?
Really? So people arriving after a long flight will not be quarantined and people who land before them after a short one will? And who's going to work out the time zone calculations?
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They need to set a time, and it needs to apply to all arrivals, whether by plane, boat or train. The start of the day is the easiest to administer.
Is it ? Why is 0000 any easier than 0200 especially as scheduled arrivals by boat wouldn't be affected by either time and the vast majority of arrivals are by air.
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Really? So people arriving after a long flight will not be quarantined and people who land before them after a short one will? And who's going to work out the time zone calculations?
No need, this applied only to Spain
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Covid-19 and Politics pt 2

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Why crazy? These things have to have a defined starting time and midnight is as good as anything. What alternative would you suggest?

Yes and no. For our developed societies, a more convenient divider between two dates would be 2am. Many arrangements run until past midnight, but few run past two 2am.

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Who thinks any of the arrivals will actually isolate themselves for 14 days anyway?
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Strangely this is also going to apply to those returning from the Canary Islands.
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No need, this applied only to Spain
Ferries go to Spain, too.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
AFAIK there's a break at most (all?) uk airports between 0100 and 0500. Put the starting time during that period so you don't have quite such an arbitrary cut off for a day's arrivals

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Yes and no. For our developed societies, a more convenient divider between two dates would be 2am. Many arrangements run until past midnight, but few run past two 2am.

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It's a reasonable point, though it could have been made clearer in the original post.

If the Canaries have little virus, why are they including the Canaries as well? It's not as if people are going to drive to Gran Canaria from Barcelona to avoid quarantine.
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Ferries go to Spain, too.
Yes, and they take over 24 hours to get there and there's a handful a day.

An easy decision to take, not least because they don't dock between 0000 and 0200.

Either Saturday departures are ok or they're not.
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Who thinks any of the arrivals will actually isolate themselves for 14 days anyway?
Our friends intend to do so but other acquaintances who were required to on return from the US had no checks or follow up.

It's placing all the responsibility on the individuals, the government has effectively abdicated theirs.

Another set of friends got back from Mallorca at 2330 so they're free to go about their business unencumbered simply because their flight landed an hour earlier. .
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Who thinks any of the arrivals will actually isolate themselves for 14 days anyway?
Indeed. The chances of getting caught and fined are very slim indeed:

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the NPCC said: ‘Up to June 22, no fines were issued by territorial forces in England and Wales for breaches of the requirement to quarantine following international travel.’ The figures do not include fines given by Border Force, who have issued three penalties.
So, in the first two weeks of quarantine, only 3 fines had been handed out in England & Wales.
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It's a reasonable point, though it could have been made clearer in the original post.

If the Canaries have little virus, why are they including the Canaries as well? It's not as if people are going to drive to Gran Canaria from Barcelona to avoid quarantine.

They’re probably worried about bird flu.
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It's a reasonable point, though it could have been made clearer in the original post.

If the Canaries have little virus, why are they including the Canaries as well? It's not as if people are going to drive to Gran Canaria from Barcelona to avoid quarantine.
Only a completely incompetent government would not know that....


hmm mm......
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Indeed. The chances of getting caught and fined are very slim indeed:







So, in the first two weeks of quarantine, only 3 fines had been handed out in England & Wales.
Given there is quite a low chance of being "caught" by England's track and trace there is a cat-in-hell's chance!
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Is it ? Why is 0000 any easier than 0200 especially as scheduled arrivals by boat wouldn't be affected by either time and the vast majority of arrivals are by air.
It's easier, objectively, because you only have to look at the date, not the date and time. Yes, functional.human beings should be able to cope with this level of granularity, but... well, watched the news recently?
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Given there is quite a low chance of being "caught" by England's track and trace there is a cat-in-hell's chance!
Farage published time-stamped, documentary evidence that he was breaching quarantine and nothing seems to have happened as a result, so I can't see anyone being caught either.
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East London?
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More seriously, how hard is it to get a flight from Spain to the Canaries and then hop another one on to the UK?

Also, why did Spain go and let a bunch of Brits in when they had it more or less under control?
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More seriously, how hard is it to get a flight from Spain to the Canaries and then hop another one on to the UK? ..snip...
A lot harder than a quick walk over the border to France! It's between 2 and a half hour and a half to 3 and half hour flight to Gran Canaria from the Spanish mainland.
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Who thinks any of the arrivals will actually isolate themselves for 14 days anyway?
Our work has said that if you booked a holiday that doesn't have quaratine in place when you book, but this changes while you are there, they will honour it with full pay. I can't see most people ignoring that.

However, there are sure to be places (eg. contractors) that might sack someone who suddenly has to do 2 weeks quaratine. This is where the issue starts.
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Why not just test arrivals, those that are clear can just get on with things?
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