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Old 30th July 2020, 02:55 AM   #241
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The UK government are continuing their stellar job of making up policy on the fly. Nick Hancock has suggested that the 14 day quarantine period for international arrivals may be cut (presumably because it's unpopular) at the same time as the government increases the period of self-isolation for those with symptoms from 7 days to 10 days (until that proves unpopular and it's reduced again).
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Old 30th July 2020, 02:57 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
The UK government are continuing their stellar job of making up policy on the fly. Nick Hancock has suggested that the 14 day quarantine period for international arrivals may be cut (presumably because it's unpopular) at the same time as the government increases the period of self-isolation for those with symptoms from 7 days to 10 days (until that proves unpopular and it's reduced again).
Scurrilous accusation that is totally untrue.

Policy is not made up on the fly but after a careful examination of all relevant data, i.e. the headlines and how Johnson is polling
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Old 30th July 2020, 03:03 AM   #243
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I think this is the most shocking report to come out yet: A study has found that Dominic Cummings' trip to Durham undermined lockdown, and made people less trusting of politicians

I'm shocked. Are you shocked? I am. Shocked!
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Old 30th July 2020, 03:22 AM   #244
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
I think this is the most shocking report to come out yet: A study has found that Dominic Cummings' trip to Durham undermined lockdown, and made people less trusting of politicians

I'm shocked. Are you shocked? I am. Shocked!
I've probably already mentioned it in this thread - but this was the first time I've ever been able to say I've seen such a thing happen. Usually people claim something like Ed Milliband "two kitchens" faux pa and we are told this had an impact on people but I've never seen that having any real effect on people's attitudes at the time but Cummings really did and it was across the board regardless of political leaning.
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Old 30th July 2020, 05:48 AM   #245
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Boris Johnson is warning the country that we're not out of the woods yet:

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UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said it's "absolutely vital as a country we don’t delude ourselves that somehow we’re out of the woods or this is all over, because it isn’t all over".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...ost_type=share

Gosh, I wonder how people could have come to such an errant conclusion ?

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Coronavirus restrictions will ease further in England under plans for a "significant return to normality" by Christmas, Boris Johnson has announced.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53441912

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Old 30th July 2020, 03:19 PM   #246
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Nicola Sturgeon praised for covid response

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12352492

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Old 30th July 2020, 03:39 PM   #247
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Hmm. She's done OK since May. She's doing OK now. In March she killed four thousand people.
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Old 31st July 2020, 02:05 AM   #248
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So people in Manchester can share a room with lots of others and get pissed if it's a pub but they can't do that in their own home, why? Because money, if you think this government give a **** about your health you're a ******* barmcake!

That a government minister announces informally late night on Twitter that there are new laws with criminal sanctions with immediate effect is exactly the opposite of what should be happening in a well-functioning parliamentary democracy.

Boris boasting of 'massive success' over coronavirus deaths within hours of the Office for National Statistics revealing England was found to have the worst excess death total in Europe.
And still people defend him with the 'no comparison compare because different methods' ********.

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Old 31st July 2020, 02:06 AM   #249
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I fear that this latest announcement will result in a Coronavirus spike in Wales

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Up to 30 people can meet outdoors and children under 11 will not have to social distance in Wales from Monday.

Swimming pools, gyms, leisure centres and indoor play areas, including soft play, can reopen from 10 August.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-53595372

I suppose that as long as the Welsh government are prepared to reverse these decisions at the first sign of a significant rise in cases, then it's OK news.
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Old 31st July 2020, 02:08 AM   #250
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
That a government minister announces informally late night on Twitter that there are new laws with criminal sanctions with immediate effect is exactly the opposite of what should be happening in a well-functioning parliamentary democracy.

Boris boasting of 'massive success' over coronavirus deaths within hours of the Office for National Statistics revealing England was found to have the worst excess death total in Europe.
And still people defend him with the 'no comparison compare because different methods' ********.
Boris Johnson's boast is really quite cynical. We had deaths spiralling out of control but instead of trying to learn from the mistakes that got us to that sorry position, he's chosen to crow about how the numbers are now merely bad.
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I was thinking about the contrast with the "financial crisis" of 2008 and today and one thing I think has been remarkably different is that we haven't had a figure step up to the global stage. During the 2008 crisis Brown and to a lesser extent Darling did help shape the global response, brokered deals amongst the G20 such as the 1 trillion dollar bail out.

It's not that we've not seen impressive leaders in their own countries but this pandemic seems to have lacked someone who has managed to shape the worldwide response, someone to get the world's major leaders together (if only by Zoom! ).
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God, you know the situation is bad when you're praising Gordon Brown in comparison.
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Old 31st July 2020, 08:13 AM   #253
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Nicola Sturgeon acting decisively to try to limit infections from England. Doubtless she'll be criticised for her "racism".

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Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is giving more details on her government's advice against non-essential travel to parts of northern England.

People should only travel to areas covered by the UK government's new restrictions - Greater Manchester, east Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire - if absolutely necessary, she says at an impromptu press conference.

"If you're returning to Scotland from these parts of the north of England we're asking you to minimise your contact with people outside of your own household for 14 days after your return.
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Brown was a good Chancellor, He wasn't such a good PM and had the bad luck to be PM at the time of the global crash.
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Old 31st July 2020, 10:46 AM   #255
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Nicola Sturgeon acting decisively to try to limit infections from England. Doubtless she'll be criticised for her "racism".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...ost_type=share

I listened to it live and she was practically doing contortions to head off that accusation. I have a very close friend who lives in Calderdale. I always spend Christmas with her and her family. I was thinking of phoning and remarking that I'd just been banned from visiting her! (She's Scottish, as it happens. So racist, this.)
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Brown was a good Chancellor, He wasn't such a good PM and had the bad luck to be PM at the time of the global crash.
According to Conservatives he was the most powerful PM ever since apparently he caused the worldwide crash.
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Old 31st July 2020, 01:00 PM   #257
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New local lockdown rules.
You can drink cider with a goth in a graveyard but only on Cher's birthday.
Space hoppers will now be the only transport.
Wotsits are illegal.
You can dress a Badger up as a Viking on Tuesdays.
You MUST play the piano with your feet.
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Old 31st July 2020, 01:12 PM   #258
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
New local lockdown rules.
You can drink cider with a goth in a graveyard but only on Cher's birthday.
Space hoppers will now be the only transport.
Wotsits are illegal.
You can dress a Badger up as a Viking on Tuesdays.
You MUST play the piano with your feet.
I had to google Wotsits. Banning them sounds reasonable
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Old 31st July 2020, 01:27 PM   #259
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
New local lockdown rules.
You can drink cider with a goth in a graveyard but only on Cher's birthday.
Space hoppers will now be the only transport.
Wotsits are illegal.
You can dress a Badger up as a Viking on Tuesdays.
You MUST play the piano with your feet.
Dammit, I'd already booked the badger for Thursday.
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Dammit, I'd already booked the badger for Thursday.
I'm painting a stripe down the back of mine so I can claim it is skunk, I doubt whether anybody will be bothered enough to get their eyes tested to double check.
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Old 31st July 2020, 06:52 PM   #261
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One or more of those might not be true!!
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One or more of those might not be true!!
You got infected by Trump tweets?
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I'm painting a stripe down the back of mine so I can claim it is skunk, I doubt whether anybody will be bothered enough to get their eyes tested to double check.
It’s a long way to Barnard’s Castle from here.
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I actually had an eye test on Thursday. I drove to Roslin for it, about 12 miles away. I completely missed my chance to make Barnard Castle jokes to the optician. (Although probably everybody was doing it so she could have been relieved.)
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It’s a long way to Barnard’s Castle from here.
I still haven't been able to visit . I have a 12-pack of Brewdog's Barnard Castle Eyesight Test to deliver to a mate and I'd like to see if they've started work on my late father's home (it sold 4 weeks ago).
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UK had 3200 a day new infections a week ago
Now 4200 a day !
SPAIN has 1500 tested positive yesterday and UK is putting restrictions on returning from Spain.
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UK had 3200 a day new infections a week ago
Now 4200 a day !
SPAIN has 1500 tested positive yesterday and UK is putting restrictions on returning from Spain.
UK had 770 new cases today according to Worldometer.

Also the UK had dropped out of the top 10 for cases and has been overtaken by Mexico for deaths.
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UK had 770 new cases today according to Worldometer.

Also the UK had dropped out of the top 10 for cases and has been overtaken by Mexico for deaths.
The USA managed 92 times that many cases. We're number one!
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From the "Trafford Express" on Facebook (motto - Fake news you can trust)

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In Manchester, you can be sacked for refusing to go and sit with someone in an office, fined £100 for sitting with them at home, and given a money-off deal to sit with them in a busy restaurant.
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The UK as a whole had 761 new cases today

England 722
Scotland 18
Wales 21
NI 0

(Actually I think NI doesn't update its numbers at the weekend.) If you express this per million population you get

England 10.9
Scotland 3.3
Wales 6.7
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UK had 3200 a day new infections a week ago
Now 4200 a day !
Er, what? Do you mean a week, not a day?

https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases
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Yup, i mixed that up a bit
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An amazing day in Berlin today. A massive demo against the corona nonsense. System press is laughably claiming there were 20,000 participants while the whole city was full and the Straße des 17. Juli looked like during the Love Parade. Easily in the mid-to-high six digit figures. And then the police tried to end it prematurely and everybody was like "we stay here" and the police was like "ok, whatever". A day that will go down in history, maybe even under its motto "Das Ende der Pandemie - Der Tag der Freiheit"!

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An amazing day in Berlin today. A massive demo against the corona nonsense. System press is laughably claiming there were 20,000 participants while the whole city was full and the Straße des 17. Juli looked like during the Love Parade. Easily in the mid-to-high six digit figures. And then the police tried to end it prematurely and everybody was like "we stay here" and the police was like "ok, whatever". A day that will go down in history, maybe even under its motto "Das Ende der Pandemie - Der Tag der Freiheit"!

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edit: Police: "go home", People: "Wir bleiben hier" (we stay here), "Widerstand" (resistance) and "Wir sind das Volk" (we are the people, classic slogan of the 1989 peaceful revolution against the GDR):

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Nice going! I'm sure once the virus sees that the people are opposed to it, it will stop infecting them.
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Nice going! I'm sure once the virus sees that the people are opposed to it, it will stop infecting them.

It's the other way around. We realized that the virus loves us while it attacks bad karma people like yours, so we thought we'd tell the government about it.

The demands from the stage to the government were: Stop all "Corona-Measures" immediately, then resign and organize new elections as soon as possible.
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Kidding aside, there is something very, very interesting brewing here. The participants were mostly "normies" as they say, and their level of information about the situation is way above what the average ISF science subforum reader has.

We'll see. Maybe in our n-th attempt we'll finally save the world.
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It's not often I see Childlike Empress agree with Trump and Bolsonarno, I guess those lead countries which are sterling examples of how well you can control the virus by ignoring it.
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Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert.
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
An amazing day in Berlin today. A massive demo against the corona nonsense.
What specifically are they claiming is nonsense?
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Kidding aside, there is something very, very interesting brewing here. The participants were mostly "normies" as they say, and their level of information about the situation is way above what the average ISF science subforum reader has.

We'll see. Maybe in our n-th attempt we'll finally save the world.
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