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Old 25th July 2020, 03:10 AM   #241
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I can see how this will stop eventually for example some low level schoolyard racism. Surely that alone is worth it?
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Old 25th July 2020, 03:15 AM   #242
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I can see how this will stop eventually for example some low level schoolyard racism. Surely that alone is worth it?
Because it is tokenism
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Old 25th July 2020, 03:17 AM   #243
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Actually. Do you mind explaining how it stops school yard racism?
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Old 25th July 2020, 03:21 AM   #244
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Look at all this boomer Facebook salt:
https://www.facebook.com/18270081408...954832864/?d=n

Most of us would not have noticed a brand of bog standard cheddar having a new name. No one cares more about this like ridiculous reactionaries.
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Old 25th July 2020, 03:22 AM   #245
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Actually. Do you mind explaining how it stops school yard racism?
It doesn’t.
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Old 25th July 2020, 03:27 AM   #246
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Actually. Do you mind explaining how it stops school yard racism?
It doesn't - but it does give some people who love to complain and blame others for their failures a chance to feel good about their otherwise useless existence.
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Old 25th July 2020, 03:28 AM   #247
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I'm actually not sure if Aus has school yard racism. Or here.is it because of cheese?
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Old 25th July 2020, 03:29 AM   #248
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Look at all this boomer Facebook salt:
https://www.facebook.com/18270081408...954832864/?d=n

Most of us would not have noticed a brand of bog standard cheddar having a new name. No one cares more about this like ridiculous reactionaries.
The impact on north-west NSW is????
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Old 25th July 2020, 03:31 AM   #249
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Originally Posted by rockinkt View Post
It doesn't - but it does give some people who love to complain and blame others for their failures a chance to feel good about their otherwise useless existence.
Don’t be so hard on the boomers.
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Old 25th July 2020, 03:32 AM   #250
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
The impact on north-west NSW is????
You can’t by a block of cheddar with a racist name anymore? Maybe they could sell it with a blue sharpie?
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Because it is tokenism
Why do you claim that?
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Old 25th July 2020, 03:35 AM   #252
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Actually. Do you mind explaining how it stops school yard racism?
I didn't say that.
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The same people getting salty about the brand name of a boring block of cheddar also have been sharing “All lives matter” bollocks of Facebook.
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Look at all this boomer Facebook salt:
https://www.facebook.com/18270081408...954832864/?d=n

Most of us would not have noticed a brand of bog standard cheddar having a new name. No one cares more about this like ridiculous reactionaries.
I have been astonished over about the last 8 weeks of the number of (and I don't think I've ever used it seriously before) "snowflakes" there are, the anger and upset small changes are causing is astonishing. The sense of entitlement is unbelievable, the conservatism totally out of proportion to actual changes or even proposed changes is off the scale.
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Old 25th July 2020, 03:43 AM   #255
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
I didn't say that.
OK. How does it stop some low level school yard racism by changing a brand name
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
OK. How does it stop some low level school yard racism by changing a brand name
A typical example would be a group of kids saying "coon" rather loudly then "cheese is great" when someone they consider a "coon" walks by. Or asking in a home economics class "Sir is COON cheese really good?"

If you've never experienced such type of school yard racism/bullying then you are I suspect in a minority, or rather in the majority.
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The same people getting salty about the brand name of a boring block of cheddar also have been sharing “All lives matter” bollocks of Facebook.
Yeah? And this has what relevance to this thread?

Okay, celebrate this shallow victory. Good show.

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What impact does this name change make? Apart from making some white Australians feel comfortably smug...
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
I have been astonished over about the last 8 weeks of the number of (and I don't think I've ever used it seriously before) "snowflakes" there are, the anger and upset small changes are causing is astonishing. The sense of entitlement is unbelievable, the conservatism totally out of proportion to actual changes or even proposed changes is off the scale.
Changing branding of a 100 year old company is small changes?

Cool
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Yeah? And this has what relevance to this thread?

Okay, celebrate this shallow victory. Good show.

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What impact does this name change make? Apart from making some white Australians feel comfortably smug...
What a great example - the guy who has been quoted and mentioned several times is unimportant... only how it impacts white Australians is important to you.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
A typical example would be a group of kids saying "coon" rather loudly then "cheese is great" when someone they consider a "coon" walks by. Or asking in a home economics class "Sir is COON cheese really good?"



If you've never experienced such type of school yard racism/bullying then you are I suspect in a minority, or rather in the majority.
Of course I have. But it never once was over a piece of food
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What a great example - the guy who has been quoted and mentioned several times is unimportant... only how it impacts white Australians is important to you.
Another lie. I never said Hagan was unimportant. And the impact of the name change on white Australians is of no importance to me.

Again, pointless tokenism is what I’m highlighting. It’s easy to imagine people saying “good, Coon has changed its name, mission accomplished” while ignoring real issues indigenous are facing.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Changing branding of a 100 year old company is small changes?

Cool
Yep - it requires some new artwork and new printing screens to be produced - and you have to do this regularly anyway so slot it in at the next change over of the packaging being printed. New ads would have had new artwork generated anyway so instead of the old logo/name being reproduced you use the new one.

There is of course some cost to the company - in the design and selection of a new logo, deciding the new name.

The smart decision would of course be to keep everything the same apart from the name - literally edit out the "coon" and type in your new name, using same font, colours and so on. Most people will see it as the same product and probably wouldn't even notice the name had changed.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Of course I have. But it never once was over a piece of food
And? Was "Coon cheese" a popular well known cheese when you were growing up, was "coon" used as a racial insult when you were growing up?
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Yeah? And this has what relevance to this thread?

Okay, celebrate this shallow victory. Good show.

Meanwhile indigenous death rates, imprisonment, unemployment, choose your metric, roll on. What impact does this name change make? Apart from making some white Australians feel comfortably smug...
Who is celebrating? The Aboriginal man who petitioned each of the new owners of this brand trademark over two decades? Yeah good for him but I bet he has already moved on. No one would be talking about this but for all the reactionary tears.

That dumb “I don’t find this name offensive” Facebook post is approaching 85,000 shares. Thats a lot of salt.
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People have and still are been doing something you confess to not be able to do.
Evidence?
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Don’t be so hard on the boomers.
"Boomers" was what Rolf Harris called kangaroos in his Christmas song. Is he some sort of hero and role model for you?
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"Boomers" was what Rolf Harris called kangaroos in his Christmas song. Is he some sort of hero and role model for you?
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...snip...
There is of course some cost to the company - in the design and selection of a new logo, deciding the new name.

...snip....
Perhaps "Cone" or "Qoon"....
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And? Was "Coon cheese" a popular well known cheese when you were growing up, was "coon" used as a racial insult when you were growing up?
No.

This doesn't exclude me from thinking it is pointless
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A childhood icon and reminder of my hope and optimism is cast on the trash heap to be quickly forgotten. A new generation will have their own cheese brands. Perhaps, God forbid, they wont even care for the joy of factory processed cheddar made from real cows milk? A brave new world without me and that cares nothing of the comforting symbols of my childhood. It’s a right existential crisis.
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Evidence?
The loads of people who buy and just eat the cheese.

Or do you think everyone who buys it and eats it is racist?
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But since that is not the topic of this thread and no one but you has mentioned this comparison perhaps we should get back to the topic of this thread - which to remind you is that there is a brand of cheese which has for its name a word that some people say is a racist word meant to insult a certain section of the population.

One assumes (and yes I could be wrong) given your posts in this thread that you aren't concerned about that? Is that correct?
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
It's quite a remarkable what effect Coon Cheese has on people, isn't it.
Well some. Have you ever brought any?
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And I just might. It will not attract the attention of the name of a brand of cheese.
It won’t ride a salty reactionary Facebook wave that is for sure.
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Tbf cheese is a personal thing.

A bloke once threw a block of cheddar at me for no reason.

I thought. Hey that's not mature.
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It won’t ride a salty reactionary Facebook wave that is for sure.
Repeating the word "reactionary" all the time isn't making much of a point. It's really an ad hominem.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Repeating the word "reactionary" all the time isn't making much of a point. It's really an ad hominem.
It’s descriptive of the overblown reaction to a supermarket cheddar changing its name.

https://www.facebook.com/18270081408...954832864/?d=n
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Come on people. I know it was a grandad joke but it's funny still......or stilton
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It’s descriptive of the overblown reaction to a supermarket cheddar changing its name.

https://www.facebook.com/18270081408...954832864/?d=n
"I don't find it racist" is overblown?
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
It’s descriptive of the overblown reaction to a supermarket cheddar changing its name.

https://www.facebook.com/18270081408...954832864/?d=n
Someone suggested renaming it Goon, but that's going to cause massive issues. Imagine when some old guy tells his wife to go out and buy him some Goon and she comes back with a slab of cheese, instead of his box of wine!
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