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Old 29th October 2016, 08:15 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Mondial View Post
You don't know what you are talking about. 1937 and Guernica was the Spanish civil war not WW2. You can't even stick to the thread topic.
Britain started bombing German cities and towns in May 1940 after Churchill became prime minister. This before there were Luftwaffe raids on British cities.
http://whale.to/b/kollerstrom.html
Of course you completely ignore the fact that Churchill refused Hitler's offer to stop the bombing of civilians if he would do the same as evidenced in J M Spaight's Bombing Vindicated published in 1944 by the British government -
http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/a...vindicated.php
It was still the Luftwaffe. So Germany gets a bombing pass if it was a battle not officially included in WWII?

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/guernica.htm
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Old 29th October 2016, 08:21 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Mondial View Post
You don't know what you are talking about. 1937 and Guernica was the Spanish civil war not WW2. You can't even stick to the thread topic.
Britain started bombing German cities and towns in May 1940 after Churchill became prime minister. This before there were Luftwaffe raids on British cities.
http://whale.to/b/kollerstrom.html
Of course you completely ignore the fact that Churchill refused Hitler's offer to stop the bombing of civilians if he would do the same as evidenced in J M Spaight's Bombing Vindicated published in 1944 by the British government -
http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/a...vindicated.php
Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
It was still the Luftwaffe. So Germany gets a bombing pass if it was a battle not officially included in WWII?

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/guernica.htm
...to add, maybe the Spanish Civil War really should be counted in WW II, it can be seen to have been an intro in many ways. Here is one opinion:

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/...d-war-ii-17086
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Old 29th October 2016, 10:06 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
...to add, maybe the Spanish Civil War really should be counted in WW II, it can be seen to have been an intro in many ways. Here is one opinion:

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/...d-war-ii-17086
It certainly gave the Nazis a way to test their new toys and techniques out!!
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Old 30th October 2016, 02:07 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Mondial View Post
You don't know what you are talking about. 1937 and Guernica was the Spanish civil war not WW2. You can't even stick to the thread topic.
Britain started bombing German cities and towns in May 1940 after Churchill became prime minister. This before there were Luftwaffe raids on British cities.
http://whale.to/b/kollerstrom.html
So what happened in between doesn't count? Wielun, Warsaw, and a few more Polish cities, Rotterdam, doesn't count?

Oh, and Churchill's orders from May 1940 were not about indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets, they only allowed bombing military targets and then only west of the Rhine.
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Old 30th October 2016, 02:10 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by Mondial View Post
You don't know what you are talking about. 1937 and Guernica was the Spanish civil war not WW2. You can't even stick to the thread topic.
Britain started bombing German cities and towns in May 1940 after Churchill became prime minister. This before there were Luftwaffe raids on British cities.
http://whale.to/b/kollerstrom.html
Of course you completely ignore the fact that Churchill refused Hitler's offer to stop the bombing of civilians if he would do the same as evidenced in J M Spaight's Bombing Vindicated published in 1944 by the British government -
http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/a...vindicated.php
Different people have already drawn your attention on the German bombings of Warsaw (September 1939) and Rotterdam (May 1940). This was clearly WW II, but you prefer to ignore these facts as you can't provide any coherent answer...
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Old 30th October 2016, 03:35 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by Mondial View Post
Of course you completely ignore the fact that Churchill refused Hitler's offer to stop the bombing of civilians if he would do the same as evidenced in J M Spaight's Bombing Vindicated published in 1944 by the British government -

http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/a...vindicated.php

Hitler never made such an offer.

Also Mr. Spaight's book makes no such claim.
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Old 31st October 2016, 04:10 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by Mondial View Post
You don't know what you are talking about.
Neither do you. Do I? Well, my parents lived through the bombing of Rotterdam. You know, that one by the Nazis after the city was surrendered? Mom had to sleep in a forest and walk to Gouda with nothing but the clothes on her back, her parents and her sister. I had to help her deal with the PTSD since as long as I can remember. So I think I know what I'm talking about.

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1937 and Guernica was the Spanish civil war not WW2.
Which was generally seen by everyone (including the Nazis) as a dress rehearsal for WWII and the Blitz attacks used in that war.
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Old 5th November 2016, 12:42 AM   #48
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What I am talking about in this thread is specifically the situation in regards Britain vs Germany. The UK started hostilities when Germany invaded Poland in September 1939. However, when the Soviet Union did the same thing later in 1939 Britain did not declare war -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain did not bomb German civilians and German chancellor Adolf Hitler did not bomb British civilians. When Winston Churchill became prime minister in May 1940 he ordered attacks on German cities. All during the Battle of France and the Battle of Britain the RAF was hitting German cities. When Hitler retaliated and ordered the bombing of British cities this is called "the blitz".
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/10/t...-overy-review/
www.heretical.com/miscellx/blitz.html
It is falsely claimed that the RAF did not start bombing German cities until 1942. When Molotov met Hitler in November 1940 there was an air raid on Berlin and they took refuge in a bomb shelter. This is one example of RAF bombing of a German city before 1942.
Hitler repeatedly stated that he would stop the bombing of British cities if the RAF would do the same and stop their bombing of German cities. Churchill refused. He welcomed the bombing because he thought the sight of London and other cities being attacked would help bring the US into the war. It didn't work. There was also a large segment of the population against the war. By having their homes bombed it would galvanise them into a fighting mood.
http://codoh.com/library/document/2176/
http://whale.to/b/kollerstrom.html
It just goes to show how callous Churchill was towards the British people. His own people. He was willing to let them be bombed to achieve his war goals.
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Old 5th November 2016, 01:57 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by Mondial View Post
What I am talking about in this thread is specifically the situation in regards Britain vs Germany.
Right, so Britain is a villain for bombing German cities (incidentally, aiming for military targets within cities, a subtlety I don't think you'd find it convenient to look into right now) after Germany had bombed civilian targets in everybody else's cities that it felt like for years, but Germany is a saint for stopping bombing cities for a bit once its forces reached the Channel and London was in range. Got it.

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Old 5th November 2016, 03:00 AM   #50
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The UK started hostilities Hostilities started when Germany invaded Poland in September 1939 after a false flag attack (Gleiwitz)And Great Britain/France were simply defending their ally from German aggression. However, when the Soviet Union did the same thing later in 1939 Britain did not declare war -
Fixed that for you. Mondial apparently thinks that his Nazi heroes had the right to invade Poland, deport its Civilian Population back to the Reich as slaves and rob it blind. This is sick.

Mondial neglects to mention that the Soviet invasion was done in collaboration with Nazi Germany. The Soviet Invasion was planned as part of the Soviet/German non aggression pact. The SS and the Soviet secret police even collaborated in killing off the Polish Intelligentsia.

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Also, Nicholas Kollestrom is a proven liar. He took a quote about the benign conditions in a British POW camp and made it sound like it was talking about Auschwitz. Anyone who cites Kollerstrom the liar does not deserve to be taken seriously. Garbage in, Garbage out.
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Old 5th November 2016, 03:01 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by Ivanesca View Post
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...8&postcount=14



I've described the actual lenient policies of the victors towards Germany in this thread. They are the opposite of what Mondial insists, and completely rule out any "hoaxing". Mondial is certainly welcome to discuss them, but he probably won't, given his track record.
And he still won't discuss them. Or explain why he lied to us.
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Old 5th November 2016, 04:18 AM   #52
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What I am talking about in this thread is specifically the situation in regards Britain vs Germany. The UK started hostilities when Germany invaded Poland in September 1939.
There is a common agreement between historians that Germany started hostilities when it invaded Poland.

Don't try to re-write history...
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Old 5th November 2016, 04:36 AM   #53
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It just goes to show how callous Churchill was towards the British people. His own people. He was willing to let them be bombed to achieve his war goals.
I don't know to which extend this is true but after all Churchill had clearly warned the Brits of what they had to expect when he told them "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat".

Hitler never told this to the Germans. Instead it continuously promised a Victory even when it became obvious Germany was losing the war. But this is not the worse. Any man with common sense would have stopped the war before the end of 1944 when it was obvious there was not hope to win anymore.

Not Hitler. Hi chose instead to fight till the end which had as a consequence much more deaths on German side as Germany incurred the most of its life losses during the last year of the war. Even worse Hitler decided to destroy all the infrastructure of Germany because he had come to the conclusion that the German people were not worthy to survive him. He is the primary cause of what happened to the German, not the Allied forces or their leaders.

Furthermore there were not many German to oppose to the war the Hitler announced he was invading Poland. As my father always told me Germany at war can be summarized by Hitler asking the Germans "Wollt ihr Butter oder Kanonen” and the German answering “Kanonen”. They got the cannons but not in the way they had figured out…
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