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Old 19th April 2016, 07:35 PM   #41
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The best racing circuit in North America, 24 Hours of LeMons, has a penalty where guilty drivers must improvise and diagram a conspiracy before they can get back onto the track and continue the race.

They've named it after Glenn Beck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd3CSPK3n5I

While it is almost as hilarious as many of the CTer posts on this board, it is a good illustration of how the raw materials for CT are just floating around out there, and how a CT can be quickly assembled to blame why you spun out your car, or hit another one because Socialists from VW have a secret plan.

The only difference is that these guys know they're joking, but it would take much to take half of these crack-pot theories, do a little "research", and present them as "real".
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Old 20th April 2016, 05:49 AM   #42
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And I think CTers feel important if they insert themselves into the great storm where they are in the minority that see what really happened. They feel they are more intelligent, more special then most because of their ability to see The Truth, to have fit all the puzzle pieces together. And yes, they have a pathological paranoia of all things Government.
I don't think they do have a genuine paranoia about Governments.
Many of them are utterly clueless as to how governments function.
They copy their woo-meisters, who pretend to be paranoid.
The followers of woo rarely have the ability to formulate an original thought or idea.
This is why their "sheeple" accusations are always so damned funny

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Old 20th April 2016, 10:05 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
I had never questioned the JFK assassination, but I had that same thought looking out that window a few years ago when we finally went. Not such a hard shot at all.
Same here. When I saw those painted spots on the street where the shots were aimed - I mean, an archer could have done it. A talented knife-thrower, maybe.
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Old 20th April 2016, 12:31 PM   #44
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Old 20th April 2016, 12:41 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Same here. When I saw those painted spots on the street where the shots were aimed - I mean, an archer could have done it. A talented knife-thrower, maybe.
Is there an image taken from the window he fired from down to the street where the target was?
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Old 20th April 2016, 12:50 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by Degeneve View Post
"Why do people believe in conspiracy theories?"

Because the devil died a few centuries ago and there are no witches anymore (they have been burnt). People now need to find another plausible cause for things which turn wrong in their lives or in the world.

Acknowledging that their own shortcomings or even mere coďncidences might by the cause of what goes wrong is not an option for them.
There's a lot of truth in this.

An Evil Gumbint that does such wicked things might be brought under control if only we could have a proper investigation to reveal the truth. That random maniacs might strike at any time is much scarier.

There is comfort in CTs, therefore a tendency to see CTs where there are none.
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Old 20th April 2016, 01:37 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by GlennB View Post
There's a lot of truth in this.

An Evil Gumbint that does such wicked things might be brought under control if only we could have a proper investigation to reveal the truth. That random maniacs might strike at any time is much scarier.

There is comfort in CTs, therefore a tendency to see CTs where there are none.
The comfort is in the illusion of control, or at least the possibility of it. And it shares that illusion (and comfort) with religion, thus-

"An Evil World that contains such wicked things might be brought under control if only we could have a proper faith to reveal the truth, and incantations to keep them at bay. That random life might strike at any time is much scarier."

Conspiracy theories are small religions; religion is the ultimate conspiracy theory.
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Old 20th April 2016, 02:09 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Same here. When I saw those painted spots on the street where the shots were aimed - I mean, an archer could have done it. A talented knife-thrower, maybe.


Archer? You mean Oliver Queen (aka The Arrow) was in on it?
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Old 20th April 2016, 06:00 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by Hans View Post
Is there an image taken from the window he fired from down to the street where the target was?
Absolutely.

The Secret Service filmed a reenactment in late 1963. The entire film has value, but if you skip ahead to the 13:00 mark, you'll see what anyone looking out the sniper's nest window would see. If you skip ahead to 16:43, you'll see the view through a 4X scope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFl9pZYSW0s

Separate from that, and about six months later, the FBI went through a more detailed reenactment, using a still camera to take photos from various landmarks (like Zapruder's position) once the limo was in position.

Here's an image of the setup using Oswald's rifle with a camera looking through the scope.
http://history-matters.com/archive/j...port_0062a.htm

An image about the location of the limo some believe the first shot was made.
http://history-matters.com/archive/j...port_0063a.htm

An image taken about the location of the limo before the shot that struck both men:
http://history-matters.com/archive/j...port_0063b.htm

An image taken about the location of the limo of the shot that struck both men:
http://history-matters.com/archive/j...port_0064a.htm

And image taken at the location of the limo of the third shot:
http://history-matters.com/archive/j...port_0066b.htm

This probably belongs in the JFK assassination thread.

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Old 21st April 2016, 01:18 AM   #50
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CTers like the idea that they know a secret that nobody else knows. This makes them feel superior. A common refrain from CTers is that "You have to educate yourself..." which reveals much about their mindset.

Then there are the ones who've had a philosophy class and missed the point. They fall into the myths about perception being manipulated, and that reality is relative therefore anything is possible. Philosophy is there to open your mind and challenge popular concepts, but not to throw everything out that you disagree with.

Finally, there are the high-school debate team gang. It's not about facts, or truth, but discrediting the other guy. As long as they never admit defeat they think they win. This is where moving goal-posts are found.

Say what you want, but my now useless knowledge of UFOs was great for picking up women in bars.
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Old 23rd April 2016, 06:40 AM   #51
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Finally, there are the high-school debate team gang. It's not about facts, or truth, but discrediting the other guy. As long as they never admit defeat they think they win. This is where moving goal-posts are found.
But even when goalposts are moved a week later they are moved back to where they were and the evidence the skeptic supplied is ignored (or on some messages boards deleted).
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Old 7th November 2016, 01:53 PM   #52
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The best essay on conspiracism is still the old classic "The Paranoid Style in American Politics".

http://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/t...ican-politics/
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Old 7th November 2016, 04:41 PM   #53
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Originally Posted by HSienzant View Post
Absolutely.

The Secret Service filmed a reenactment in late 1963. The entire film has value, but if you skip ahead to the 13:00 mark, you'll see what anyone looking out the sniper's nest window would see. If you skip ahead to 16:43, you'll see the view through a 4X scope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFl9pZYSW0s

Separate from that, and about six months later, the FBI went through a more detailed reenactment, using a still camera to take photos from various landmarks (like Zapruder's position) once the limo was in position.

Here's an image of the setup using Oswald's rifle with a camera looking through the scope.
http://history-matters.com/archive/j...port_0062a.htm

An image about the location of the limo some believe the first shot was made.
http://history-matters.com/archive/j...port_0063a.htm

An image taken about the location of the limo before the shot that struck both men:
http://history-matters.com/archive/j...port_0063b.htm

An image taken about the location of the limo of the shot that struck both men:
http://history-matters.com/archive/j...port_0064a.htm

And image taken at the location of the limo of the third shot:
http://history-matters.com/archive/j...port_0066b.htm

This probably belongs in the JFK assassination thread.

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Never attribute to malice something that can be attributed to stupidity! (not original, but forgot the author).
Hanlon's Razor, attributed to Robert Hanlon:

'Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity'
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Old 10th November 2016, 07:41 PM   #55
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pre-internet there were some great conspiracies, let's take the bermuda triangle.
everyone knows the story, charles berlitz made tonnes of money with his book on it, and the philadelphia experiment and, tv channels could throw programs together to fill time spots.

everybody's happy!

fast forward to the internet age, simple research shows no more planes or boats are lost in the bermuda triangle compared to any other shipping lanes or flight paths and, the uss eldridge was involved in an experiment, but not time travel malarky and it ended up in the greek navy.

modern theorists thus base their claims on things that can't be checked.
let's say,
a shadowy global cabal wants to control the world and decrease population numbers.
now they can't prove it but, they will make shouty videos proclaiming it.
can it be debunked easily?
yes by common sense, but you will be labeled a sheeple or, the new snarl words liberal or social justice warrior.

some people need to blame someone or something for the fact their life hasn't planned out the way they wished.

funnily enough, both brexit and trump shouted loudly how a shadowy liberal elite is holding the poor white man down, both won.
and both had massive numbers of the uneducated needing to blame someone, vote for them.
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