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Do you think the United States is headed for another Civil War?
There were several triggers that sowed the seeds for the Civil War in the United States that included the landslide election for Lincoln. With all of the current civil unrest in the United States as evidenced by rogue shooters taking out civilians, the FEMA camps that are being built around the U.S. , the increased incidence of Marshall Law being declared in cities like Memphis and Charlotte, and the two inappropriate candidates for our current presidential election, is history repeating itself, do you think the seeds for a second civil war are being sewn for the United States?
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Don't be ridiculous.
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Don't think Lincoln was elected by a land or other kind of slide, but I have too little interest in this carp to look it up.
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180 to 123 electoral college votes, according to Wikipedia. Lincoln received 1,866,452 votes, Stephen Douglas of the Democrats 1,376,957 votes, John Breckinridge of the Southern Democrats 849,781 votes, and John Bell of the Constitutional Unity party 588,789 votes. Lincoln therefore received just under 40% of the votes cast.
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Martial ( was thinking of U.S. Marshall's, pardon my mispelling) Law was recently declared in Charlotte as of two weeks ago after a police shooting, and I was in Tupelo when it was declared in Memphis as a result of increased gang activity. That is not a figment of my imagination.
http://www.denverpost.com/2016/09/21...ring-protests/ http://www.infowars.com/three-states...al-law-sweeps/ As for FEMA, the National Emergencies Act allows the government to build camps for natural disasters but these camps can easily be used in times of war or for other types of containment needed. We have one right outside of Columbia, SC for homeless people called "The Farm". https://thinkprogress.org/south-caro...06f#.i1tjvkri4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act |
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Oh, brother.
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Here is an ordinance that prohibits stockpiling food resources, why? It states it is a matter of emergency preparedness but that means that someone who has a backyard garden is subject to having their food confiscated if the federal government deems it necessary.
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Yes it was. It was a state of Emergency. What I need from you is a link from the government declaring martial law. Not from Infowars. Martial Law is a thing. Like a car or a river. It's not an abstract idea.
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What has happened in these two cases is that the state governor has called in the state national guard to augment the police. This is not martial law, this is what we in Canada call "Aid to the Civil Power". Martial law is what happens when the military justice system completely replaces the civil justice system - that is not what happened here. Everyone can still exercise all their civil rights under the US Constitution, no one is being court martialled, etc.
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Here is an interesting article on what lead up to the Civil War. State's rights was one of the big issues, an issue that we are dealing with today.
https://www.history.org/Foundation/j...nter11/war.cfm One could view the widening socioeconomic gap developing between the wealthy and the dwindling middle class as another factor that could lead to a second civil war. Here is a list of states that have filed petitions for secession. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2120410.html |
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What do you call closing the city? No one could get in, no one could get out. My brother was traveling that weekend and had to drive through the city to get to Pigeon Forge. He was not allowed to enter. They were diverting any traffic trying to enter the city or from leaving. The National Guard was there in the downtown area and they were allowed to do whatever was needed to contain the violence that might erupt from protesters. That is martial law. Here is the definition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law
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No, Jodie. Words have meanings, and what you are describing is not martial law. In martial law the civilian institutions of power are suspended or replaced by the military. Anyone arrested during the events you describe would still have had full rights under the civilian judicial system, and still had all their constitutional rights.
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Oh, and while I'm here, the first line of that wiki link on Martial Law is:
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Look at the definition again according to Wiki:
Martial law can be used by governments to enforce their rule over the public. Such incidents may occur after a coup d'état (such as Thailand in 2006 and 2014); when threatened by popular protest (China, Tiananmen Square protests of 1989); [i][/Ito suppress political opposition (Poland in 1981); or to stabilize insurrections or perceived insurrections ](Canada, The October Crisis of 1970). Martial law may be declared in cases of major natural disasters; however, most countries use a different legal construct, such as a state of emergency. Any time you have to call in the National Guard, the local authorities are relinquishing jurisdiction over whatever incident is occurring. This has happened frequently, or more often than I think should happen, if the government is stable. Using double speak and calling it something else doesn't change the nature of the matter. |
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As I said, when a branch of the military is called to control a segment of the population that it governs, what is that exactly? It's not a natural disaster therefore calling it a state of emergency isn't making it less serious. Charlotte isn't the only place this has happened in the last ten years.
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All I'm saying is start paying attention to the things that actually make it on the news. Then start paying attention to what happens locally that never makes it to the news and draw your own conclusions.
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A revolution in the US would last exactly as long as it takes the insurgents to realizes that they will no longer get social security checks, food stamps or medicaid prescriptions.
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![]() Really? The American Civil War was 20 years in the works. Read up on the Missouri Compromise, the Kansas-Nebraska Act and Bleeding Kansas. It was clear that the North and the South had a fundamental difference over the issue of slavery, and in the end that proved irreconcilable. |
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What you don't get is that the government has to DECLARE martial law. They have to TELL THE CITIZENS they're under martial law - otherwise how would the citizens know?
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This is absolutely false.
And this is downright meaningless. Civil wars happen because some faction decides that a violent insurrection is in their interests. Which is very opposite of committing suicide. And violent insurrections do not come out of nowhere -- invariably there is a long history of grievances and/or irreconcilable differences, much like ddt pointed out with American Civil War. So not only every civil war was in fact seen long coming, but specific sides could be identified easily. So the answer to your original question: If you cannot at the very least specify who would be fighting whom, then the answer is no. |
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Yes, let's.
OK, so that says that a state of emergency is a different legal construct to martial law. Right there. In the sentence you highlighted. So now, will you please just admit that martial law has not been declared in the US anytime in the past few decades and you were mistaken. Please. It's quite easy to do. |
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