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Old 1st October 2022, 11:21 AM   #2481
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After the tremendous success against terrorists in Lyman, Putin appoints new general in charge of the reverse offensive in Ukraine.

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Old 1st October 2022, 11:22 AM   #2482
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No, it will only count as a counter offensive when Ukraine's pre 2014 borders are restored and it must all be by force and without any Russian retreats, otherwise it's just Ukraine stumbling into a cunningly laid Russian trap.
Something something steppes, right?
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Originally Posted by crescent View Post
One of the nice young men who gave a speech at Nuremburg Red Square the other day was Ivan Okhlobystin, formerly an actor.

He gave a nice speech calling for a Holy War.

Here he is making a Nazi salute.

Here's the time he called for gay people to be burned in gas chambers.

But by all means, let's keep insisting that the Ukrainians are the Nazis here, what with their Jewish President and tolerance for gay and transgender people.
So...like...why would you burn someone in a gas chamber?
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Old 1st October 2022, 11:25 AM   #2484
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So...like...why would you burn someone in a gas chamber?
Brain damage?
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Old 1st October 2022, 11:45 AM   #2486
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Time for a guess at future actions.

Several analysts have pointed out that the push in the North will eventually create a budge in the Ukraine line that will be vulnerable to an attack. But if they keep pushing they could turn a flank on the hardened Russian positions to the south. If Ukraine can keep the pressure on, it might be worth the risk. If they cannot then they are setting themselves up to get hit again in the Spring.

If they decide not to take the risk, them maybe stopping at the Zherebets river might make sense for the winter.

If they really want to make Russia panic, move some of those troops south and put pressure on Tokmak. Capture Tokmak and there is only one good highway to move supplies west and it is within range of HIMARS launchers at that point. It would make the push on Kherson a lot easier. Possibly end up cutting off that whole western occupied area.

Of course there are a lot of unknowns here. So this is a guess. But that have to be looking at it on the map.
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Being vulnerable to a flank attack requires an enemy force of sufficient strength to threaten the flank. I don't think the Russians have that many forces maneuvering in the theater. I expect a lot of the effort right now is sweeping the liberated regions to make sure there's not a BTG hiding out somewhere, well supplied and unaccounted for. Then the Ukrainians just need to throw out skirmish lines to either side of their main thrust when they pivot.

But now I'm thinking about an idea that occurred to me in the pipeline thread: Russian incompetence is one of our major allies in this war. Similar to how the USSR was one of our major allies in WW2.

We all saw what happened when we let our Russian ally have its way after the original conflict was over. What disasters and horrific losses of life are in store, if we let Russian incompetence have its way after Ukraine is liberated?
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Old 1st October 2022, 12:06 PM   #2488
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Russia is abandoning a city in Donbass.

It appears that they can "annex" whatever territory they like, it doesn't mean they control the land or its people.
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Old 1st October 2022, 12:09 PM   #2489
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Being vulnerable to a flank attack requires an enemy force of sufficient strength to threaten the flank. I don't think the Russians have that many forces maneuvering in the theater. I expect a lot of the effort right now is sweeping the liberated regions to make sure there's not a BTG hiding out somewhere, well supplied and unaccounted for. Then the Ukrainians just need to throw out skirmish lines to either side of their main thrust when they pivot.
The Russians are unlikely to be able to do anything in the short run. But the Russian border is a hard stopping point. Unless Ukraine can sweep around the current defenses and end the fighting completely they will be vulnerable to even very weak counter attacks that can cause huge problems.

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We all saw what happened when we let our Russian ally have its way after the original conflict was over. What disasters and horrific losses of life are in store, if we let Russian incompetence have its way after Ukraine is liberated?
I am assuming you mean inside Russia. The settling of accounts in Russia after this is over is going to be a mess. As it always is. Who has the nukes is going to be an issue again.
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Old 1st October 2022, 12:27 PM   #2491
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I still wonder why Putin started this war when he did.
If he'd started in July or August Europe would not have had time to do the preparations for winter we had now, and the Nordstream 2 would have been up and running, so the economic hit might have been effective enough blackmail to keep Europe looking the other way.

But now there was a whole summer to prepare. Now I'm not saying things are going to be easy this winter, but it could have been worse all around. And the ever continuing images of Russian atrocities are enough to keep public opinion strong enough to oppose Russia.
Did they really think this would be over in 1 month or so?
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They were expecting to have all summer for driving the one or two actually functional BTGs in their army around Ukraine, mopping up the rest of the resistance.
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Old 1st October 2022, 12:52 PM   #2493
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
Did they really think this would be over in 1 month or so?
Yes, of course. Even less. And it might just have worked.

ETA: Although, I have no idea either, why they started late in February. Maybe it has something to do in part with the Winter Olympics in China, where Putin and XiJinping (?) were playing BFFs.

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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
I still wonder why Putin started this war when he did.
Specifically? Ukraine withdrew from the Russian power grid, IIRC. Straw that broke the camel's back kind of thing. So long as Ukraine was under effective Russian control, there was less motivation to officially reconquer them. Ukraine no longer under Russian control? Gotta teach those slaves a harsh lesson. There's more, of course, including face, that winning wars has been a cure-all thing for Russian politicians, demographic concerns, White Russian Supremacy, and so on, but meh. The specific date was opportunistic and politically motivated, with a bunch of other factors behind it. So much of Russia's invasion has been waged to obtain political goals, without real concern for military capability or concerns.



Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
Did they really think this would be over in 1 month or so?
I would dare to say almost certainly. That's an unfortunately human consequence of motivated thinking and being in an information bubble of one's own making.


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Brain damage?
Librul heads aspolding is lethal brain damage, rught?


Either way, the next domino to fall is somewhat likely to be Kreminna, cutting off more logistics capacity for the Russians. Fighting's close and Russian forces may already be retreating from there.

Of some other note, CPAC decided to use Russia's sham annexation attempt as an opportunity to attack Biden. Why is Biden still giving freebies to Ukraine when Russia's winning and we're under heavy assault at our southern border? Seriously, the Russia Wing of the Republican Party may as well be treated as shameless lying traitors.

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To poke at a couple more things, Russia continued to use it's increasingly few missiles to target such incredibly valuable military targets as... another humanitarian convoy and public transit buses.

Russia's weakness is on full display.
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https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/...vUQAGjPyQ&s=19

AFU troops in the city center of Lyman. Just in case anyone doubted they really took it... Couple of our regular posters seem missing lately
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So...like...why would you burn someone in a gas chamber?

It saves a step? Those inefficient Nazis had to gas people in one chamber, then transfer them to an oven. Modern Practises speed up the process!
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Originally Posted by lobosrul5 View Post
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/...vUQAGjPyQ&s=19

AFU troops in the city center of Lyman. Just in case anyone doubted they really took it... Couple of our regular posters seem missing lately
They are busy helping to plan the upcoming Russian trap.
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
Did they really think this would be over in 1 month or so?

This is the ultimate effect of surrounding yourself with a culture of lies and corruption. Everyone lies, and yet, they all believe the lies, even as they must know that they're lying to each other. And Putin is at the top of that pile of lies. There's really no way he can tell which of the things he's hearing are true or not, because everyone in his system are motivated to lie to cover their own asses.

He probably really believed that the Russian military was the best trained, best equipped, most motivated army in the world. He probably really believed that the Ukrainians were a bunch of corrupt wimps who would run at the first sign of war. He probably really believed that his spies had successfully bribed enough people that the gates would all be left open for the invading force. Because that's what his staff was telling him.

Who there would have told Putin that their tanks were pieces of crap, and half of them had been sold for parts on the black market? Who would have told him that the Ukrainians really weren't interested in being annexed? Who would have told him that the army didn't have enough food or fuel to last even a month in combat?

I'd actually be surprised if there's one thing Putin "knows" that isn't actually a lie.

At some point, you run up against reality, and can't lie your way out of it any more.
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And all the useful idiots and fascist apologists and fellow travelers in the West (including, but not limited to, the Trump gang, Fox News, CPAC, etc.) can’t keep the truth away forever. Even though they have the freedom to tell lies, while his own people are punished for telling the truth.

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They are busy helping to plan the upcoming Russian trap.
I'd have thought they'd be all butt hurt about Ukraine not respecting "democracy" or some ****.
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I'd have thought they'd be all butt hurt about Ukraine not respecting "democracy" or some ****.
Yeah, Who would have ever thought the Ukrainians did not wish to be "freed" by Russia.
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I'd have thought they'd be all butt hurt about Ukraine not respecting "democracy" or some ****.
Don't worry, that'll probably become more prominent a little later, when people have had a bit of time to forget. Just like the Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTmN...&start_radio=1

Still good news but there's video of fighter jet (not the best quality) crashing at a Russian air base in Crimea. It's great the Russians lost a fighter jet but it would have been better if it was the result of a Ukrainian attack.
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Yeah, Who would have ever thought the Ukrainians did not wish to be "freed" by Russia.
Bbbbbbut the vast majority do, but they're being oppressed by the Jewish Nazis and being forced to fight against their liberators.

The pre$$titutes are just flooding the media with lies, only Russian state broadcasters tell the truth.
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTmN...&start_radio=1

Still good news but there's video of fighter jet (not the best quality) crashing at a Russian air base in Crimea. It's great the Russians lost a fighter jet but it would have been better if it was the result of a Ukrainian attack.
I see where you are coming from but if it is poor maintenance as opposed to normal happenings coupled with Russia's cavalier approach to individual equipment and (bottom of the pile, the lives of its personnel, due to a belief that it can afford to throw both away) then it's a systemic problem with them and that's also good.
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTmN...&start_radio=1

Still good news but there's video of fighter jet (not the best quality) crashing at a Russian air base in Crimea. It's great the Russians lost a fighter jet but it would have been better if it was the result of a Ukrainian attack.
Saves a missile if they just destroy their own materiel.
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An attack would disrupt the population of Russian squatters and Ukrainians collaborating with the occupation. If Ukraine reached to almost the southern end of the peninsula it would bring the war closer to the Russians who moved there. Losing a Russian military jet and disrupting airfield operations is nice. An attack deep in Russian occupied Ukraine is a psychological blow to the civil underpinnings of the occupation.

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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
An attack would disrupt the population of Russian squatters and Ukrainians collaborating with the occupation. If Ukraine reached to almost the southern end of the peninsula it would bring the war closer to the Russians who moved there. Losing a Russian military jet and disrupting airfield operations is nice. An attack deep in Russian occupied Ukraine is a psychological blow to the civil underpinnings of the occupation.

Messaging is a form of fires.
That is true. But Ukraine already has done that.
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Looks like progress in the east with a couple more villages liberated and a little progress in Kherson...

Doubtless more traps being laid.
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Looks like progress in the east with a couple more villages liberated and a little progress in Kherson...

Doubtless more traps being laid.
Kherson is taking a while but it's going to be worth it. The scale of capture of Russian personnel and material will be huge.
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Kherson is taking a while but it's going to be worth it. The scale of capture of Russian personnel and material will be huge.
... and just wait and see, two days after the capture of Russian POWs, Kremlin and their mindless Putin fanboi choir will blame Ukraine for their illnesses, weight loss, and frostbites.
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTmN...&start_radio=1

Still good news but there's video of fighter jet (not the best quality) crashing at a Russian air base in Crimea. It's great the Russians lost a fighter jet but it would have been better if it was the result of a Ukrainian attack.
Why? If Russia crashes its planes by itself, Ukraine won't have to waste missiles on them.
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This is an interesting video. A Russian POW tells his story to his captors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l2FgTr4fUw

He joined the war to drive medical transports, was assigned to tanks instead, given a pile of junk and made to advance in order to make the Ukrainians reveal their positions by shooting at him*. He was the only survivor from his crew and he reckons his war lasted five minutes.

I find the second half of the video quite surprising and even moving. Not all Russians are the same.

*TBF this was only his opinion
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This is an interesting video. A Russian POW tells his story to his captors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l2FgTr4fUw
That was interesting, thanks.
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... and just wait and see, two days after the capture of Russian POWs, Kremlin and their mindless Putin fanboi choir will blame Ukraine for their illnesses, weight loss, and frostbites.
And this is the difference between the POWs in the prisoner swap

https://twitter.com/MelaniePodolyak/...y2vD9VNyrn5OCg


The Russian POW went on Russia Today to complain of not being fed properly.

ETA: Ironic given that at least one Russian has surrendered when offered a sandwich. Which, given that Russia has sometimes sent out troops without even water, is not actually surprising. I wouldn't fight determinedly for someone who kept betraying me like the Russian military.
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Old 2nd October 2022, 07:44 AM   #2517
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Meanwhile Russia has banned SoundCloud for containing information regarding Russia’s methods of warfare such as indiscriminate shelling of civilians and other war crimes.
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTmN...&start_radio=1

Still good news but there's video of fighter jet (not the best quality) crashing at a Russian air base in Crimea. It's great the Russians lost a fighter jet but it would have been better if it was the result of a Ukrainian attack.
Why? If the Russians are killing themselves it saves the Ukranians the effort of having to do it for them.
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Shot in the dark: they've really accelerated pilot training, or they are taking maintenance shortcuts.
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Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
Why? If the Russians are killing themselves it saves the Ukranians the effort of having to do it for them.
Because that Russians crash their jets surprises no one. Sustained attacks deep in areas occupied by Russia is psychologically distinct from an accident. An attack on the airfield demonstrates a Russian inability to secure areas under their occupation to the civilian Russian administration. They create push factors, motivating the Russian civil occupation government and collaborators to leave. That clogs the MSRs and degrades the military adjacent support structures needed to sustain war. Sustained attacks also force deep battle, drawing off forces to secure rear areas and keeping them away from the FLOT/FEBA.
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