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Old 6th May 2019, 10:25 PM   #641
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Let's ask Chris Kyle. Oh wait...
Damn that was pointy!
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Old 6th May 2019, 11:12 PM   #642
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This is America! We deny the mentally ill healthcare and just let them get guns instead.
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Old 6th May 2019, 11:48 PM   #643
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Originally Posted by Travis View Post
This is America! We deny the mentally ill healthcare and just let them get guns instead.
Perhaps they think that IS a form of healthcare? A gun fixes everything?
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Old 7th May 2019, 06:25 AM   #644
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Let's ask Chris Kyle. Oh wait...
The greatest mass shooter in american history, all those people he so bravely put down after Katrina they should build a monument to him there.
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Old 7th May 2019, 06:33 AM   #645
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Originally Posted by Travis View Post
This is America! We deny the mentally ill healthcare and just let them get guns instead.
Oh so (rule of so so belongs here!) you're saying those poor underserved people don't deserve an outlet?
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Oh so (rule of so so belongs here!) you're saying those poor underserved people don't deserve an outlet?
What they clearly need is to start shooting minorities after a natural disaster like Chris Kyle. That is sure to cure what ails them.
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If you all missed it, none other than the AOC herself labeled these as "concentration camps" and a lot of historians have backed up her assessment.
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Old 19th June 2019, 03:39 AM   #648
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Originally Posted by Travis View Post
If you all missed it, none other than the AOC herself labeled these as "concentration camps" and a lot of historians have backed up her assessment.
And hilariously, one of the main objectors is Liz "Daughter of Enhanced Interrogation" Cheney, who prefers some other term.
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Old 19th June 2019, 05:21 AM   #649
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
And hilariously, one of the main objectors is Liz "Daughter of Enhanced Interrogation" Cheney, who prefers some other term.

Oh I'm sure Megan McCain will vomit up some words about this as well.
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Old 19th June 2019, 11:19 AM   #650
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
And hilariously, one of the main objectors is Liz "Daughter of Enhanced Interrogation" Cheney, who prefers some other term.
There's been this hilarious comedy playing out on Twitter where Cheney claimed that AOC needs to study history and is disrespecting Holocaust victims by calling the Trump concentration camps "concentration camps", and historians and Jewish relatives of Holocaust victims have been crawling out of the woodwork to reply "um, nope - they're exactly concentration camps".
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Old 19th June 2019, 11:34 AM   #651
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
There's been this hilarious comedy playing out on Twitter where Cheney claimed that AOC needs to study history and is disrespecting Holocaust victims by calling the Trump concentration camps "concentration camps", and historians and Jewish relatives of Holocaust victims have been crawling out of the woodwork to reply "um, nope - they're exactly concentration camps".
If they are even at that level. I mean when you just cage people under a bridge does it even get to the level of a proper concentration camp?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paso-de...ys-2019-06-11/
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Old 19th June 2019, 07:49 PM   #652
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
There's been this hilarious comedy playing out on Twitter where Cheney claimed that AOC needs to study history and is disrespecting Holocaust victims by calling the Trump concentration camps "concentration camps", and historians and Jewish relatives of Holocaust victims have been crawling out of the woodwork to reply "um, nope - they're exactly concentration camps".
And Japanese Americans like George Takei weighed in as well.

...but in all seriousness, the few photos I've seen are of people basically packed into small rooms like sardines, or fully exposed to the elements. I've never had an issue believing Dolt 45 would have them killed if he could - and that he will do so if he can, and is doing so where he can. "Take him seriously not literally" was always a motto for idiots.

There's no way a policy like this ends well.
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Old 19th June 2019, 09:09 PM   #653
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And remember how anyone (such as myself) was "crazy" to predict Trump would do something exactly like what he is currently doing?
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Old 19th June 2019, 09:16 PM   #654
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Yeah, it's Hot Air and all, but this opening line is too good not to steal.

Originally Posted by AllahPundit
Say what you will about Trump, at least he hasn’t talked his way into a Twitter beef with any Holocaust memorials. Yet.

Hot Air


My question, though, is what exactly is the government supposed to do? Can you imagine the howls of outrage if ICE deported all these people and just dumped them all on the Mexican side of the border? And even most Democrats are against completely open borders and letting people move to the US without any vetting or investigation at all, especially with a Syrian refugee arrested just today on terrorism charges.


WTAE
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Old 19th June 2019, 09:52 PM   #655
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And remember how anyone (such as myself) was "crazy" to predict Trump would do something exactly like what he is currently doing?

What? Doing exactly what President Obama did doing the smaller immigration crisis in 2014? ICE ran out of room at that time, also.
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Originally Posted by cmikes View Post
Yeah, it's Hot Air and all, but this opening line is too good not to steal.




Hot Air


My question, though, is what exactly is the government supposed to do? Can you imagine the howls of outrage if ICE deported all these people and just dumped them all on the Mexican side of the border? And even most Democrats are against completely open borders and letting people move to the US without any vetting or investigation at all, especially with a Syrian refugee arrested just today on terrorism charges.


WTAE

Why would obeying the law with regard to those seeking refugee status be unacceptable? I get it refugees are a blight and it builds character, Anne Frank would never have become a world famous writer if we approved her refugee status after all.
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Originally Posted by Travis View Post
And remember how anyone (such as myself) was "crazy" to predict Trump would do something exactly like what he is currently doing?
Fishing for compliments?

But yeah, you did get it right, I see no need to hold back on that.
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At least this administration has put to bed the myth of the ethical republican.
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Originally Posted by cmikes View Post
Yeah, it's Hot Air and all, but this opening line is too good not to steal.




Hot Air


My question, though, is what exactly is the government supposed to do? Can you imagine the howls of outrage if ICE deported all these people and just dumped them all on the Mexican side of the border? And even most Democrats are against completely open borders and letting people move to the US without any vetting or investigation at all, especially with a Syrian refugee arrested just today on terrorism charges.


WTAE
Yeah, I mean, if only there were some middle ground between arresting everyone, separating families, and placing them all in concentration camps and dumping everyone immediately on the other side of the border. Too bad that doesn't exist.
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Originally Posted by cmikes View Post
Yeah, it's Hot Air and all, but this opening line is too good not to steal.




Hot Air


My question, though, is what exactly is the government supposed to do? Can you imagine the howls of outrage if ICE deported all these people and just dumped them all on the Mexican side of the border? And even most Democrats are against completely open borders and letting people move to the US without any vetting or investigation at all, especially with a Syrian refugee arrested just today on terrorism charges.


WTAE
Is it that opaque to you? Keep the families together unless there is reasonable suspicion that they are not related or in danger. If you are full, find out if they have family in the country and release them their, or some other community they are comfortable with. Follow the guidelines from that one experiment on best techniques to have people meet their court date.
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There are best practices on how to deal with Migrants - heck there are plenty of Trans-governmental agencies that have decades of experience and expertise. The US could just ask the IOM to handle the cases, as they already do when it comes to camps outside of the US, such as in the Middle East, where people seek asylum to the US.

The problem has a solution, but it is 100% clear that Republicans and Trump would rather the crisis intensifies.
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And remember how anyone (such as myself) was "crazy" to predict Trump would do something exactly like what he is currently doing?
The obvious solution is to mercy kill the refugees so they aren't forced to face the horrors of living in a country ruled by Trump, which we have established is a fate worst then death.
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As a spokesman for the ACLU was say on TV last night (on Chris Hayes?), Trump has defunded the group processing the asylum claims and put the money into the policing side. The court appearance rate was 97% under Obama when the asylum seekers were released. Now, they're piling up and piling up, and something's gotta give.
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What? Doing exactly what President Obama did doing the smaller immigration crisis in 2014? ICE ran out of room at that time, also.
Exactly what Obama did? Really?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/nation/a...n-14016372.php

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The Trump administration’s defense of conditions at its shelters for immigrant minors — it argues it is not legally required to provide all of them with such items as soap, toothbrushes and sleeping accommodations — drew an incredulous response from federal appeals court judges Tuesday at a hearing in San Francisco.
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What? Doing exactly what President Obama did doing the smaller immigration crisis in 2014? ICE ran out of room at that time, also.

I don't remember Obama ordering people into camps without trial and no prospects of ever appearing in any court while not allowing anyone, not even the Red Cross, to visit inside the camps to check on the condition of the prisoners while also arguing in court that children do not deserve soap, toothbrushes, or sleeping accommodations while also throwing people into ice boxes to torture them, and at least one prisoner dying from other acts of torture.


I don't remember any of that happening under Obama.
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The obvious solution is to mercy kill the refugees so they aren't forced to face the horrors of living in a country ruled by Trump, which we have established is a fate worst then death.
There is an argument to be made for that.
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I don't remember Obama ordering people into camps without trial and no prospects of ever appearing in any court while not allowing anyone, not even the Red Cross, to visit inside the camps to check on the condition of the prisoners while also arguing in court that children do not deserve soap, toothbrushes, or sleeping accommodations while also throwing people into ice boxes to torture them, and at least one prisoner dying from other acts of torture.


I don't remember any of that happening under Obama.
Out of curiosity, do you remember anything negative regarding immigration under Obama? Deportation numbers? Tear gas? Cages? Or is all this news to you?

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So, looks like we are full speed ahead with creating concentration camps. Trump just announced a new policy of capturing and then not releasing immigrants. Just keep collecting them. Sooner or later the right will find convenient quarries where they can be killed.
Almost forgot, you've left out an important qualifier in your OP. You should have used the word "illegal" in front of immigrants. As immigrants are not detained or captured etc. With the selective omission, you've incorrectly substituted someone who is not breaking the law for someone that is.

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Out of curiosity, do you remember anything negative regarding immigration under Obama? Deportation numbers? Tear gas? Cages? Or is all this news to you?

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Your point being that Trump cannot do better or even as good as Obama, flawed though his migration process might have been at times?
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A regular reminder that immigration control =/= production line murder and extermination through overwork. After all, Eisenhower pursued worse policies with Operation Wetback, but Americans by and large ignored that.
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
Almost forgot, you've left out an important qualifier in your OP. You should have used the word "illegal" in front of immigrants. As immigrants are not detained or captured etc. With the selective omission, you've incorrectly substituted someone who is not breaking the law for someone that is.

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Petitioning for sanctuary is not illegal.
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Why would obeying the law with regard to those seeking refugee status be unacceptable?
Isn't obeying the law exactly what the administration is doing?

See:
Originally Posted by 8 USC 1225(b)(1)(B)(ii)
If the officer determines at the time of the interview that an alien has a credible fear of persecution (within the meaning of clause (v)), the alien shall be detained for further consideration of the application for asylum.
(emphasis added)

How are they in violation of the law?
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Petitioning for sanctuary is not illegal.
Crossing at a place other than a designated port of entry (as thousands of "asylum seekers" are doing), however, is a criminal act.

Regardless, US law mandates that asylum seekers found to have a credible fear of persecution be placed in mandatory detention, as provided by 8 USC 1225(b)(1)(B)(ii).
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Isn't obeying the law exactly what the administration is doing?

Seeemphasis added)

How are they in violation of the law?
Maybe it has something to do with due process?
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Maybe it has something to do with due process?
Well, that's incredibly specific. You've got statutory cites and everything!
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Well, that's incredibly specific. You've got statutory cites and everything!
If you need me to cite where the right to due process comes from, then you don't belong in this conversation.

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If you need me to cite where the right to due process comes from, then you don't belong in this conversation.
If you can't come up with something better than "maybe Constitution!" then you are the one who is out of place here. The allegation is that the administration is not following the law. The provision I cited (that's the part in the quote box with the reference to the US Code) provides for (and requires) exactly what the administration is doing. If you've got something that says otherwise (besides your armchair lawyering), you probably should use that instead of spontaneous non-contextual references to due process.
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Crossing at a place other than a designated port of entry (as thousands of "asylum seekers" are doing), however, is a criminal act.
It’s a misdemeanor.
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Old 22nd June 2019, 07:57 PM   #679
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
If you can't come up with something better than "maybe Constitution!" then you are the one who is out of place here. The allegation is that the administration is not following the law. The provision I cited (that's the part in the quote box with the reference to the US Code) provides for (and requires) exactly what the administration is doing. If you've got something that says otherwise (besides your armchair lawyering), you probably should use that instead of spontaneous non-contextual references to due process.
Giving one example of a law that has not been broken doesn't prove the administration is following the law.

TITLE 42, CHAPTER 21 has various requirements for care of detained persons that are being violated in too many clauses and instances to cite.

I suggest for simplicity, typing "migrant detention conditions" into a search engine.

As for the particularities of the law: if the law says what we're doing is okay, then I say "**** the law."
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Originally Posted by Upchurch View Post
It’s a misdemeanor.
So... not a criminal act? I don't understand why you would even bother to reply with that simple statement.
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