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Old 6th May 2019, 11:55 PM   #81
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The fact Trump is now bleating "NO DEM DO-OVERS!" indicates he does have something to hide and he knows it all too well. Because he believes that what is hidden could well end his presidency on the spot. Hence the (mistaken) notion that Hillary, a Democrat, would automatically replace him as a result. Because of course he doesn't understand the presidential election process nor the official line of presidential succession. Or he does but he is playing that line to his base, who are dumber than the box the hammers came in.
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Old 7th May 2019, 12:49 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by desmirelle View Post
A tax return will tell you how good his accountant is. So, what's that gonna do? I'm gonna hire that candidate's accountant next year so I get a better refund?

I wanna see MEDICAL records - that will tell me whether or not the candidate is mentally or medically impaired (Hilary and her falling spells).
Her fainting spells? Oh come on. Standing in the heat for too long can cause a person to faint. End of story. I don't recall any spells, plural.

What are you going to see in Trump's medical report? He hires crony doctors just like he appoints cronies to his Cabinet.
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Old 7th May 2019, 12:50 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I have no objection to him trying to hide something. I hide tons of things.
Good for you.
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Old 7th May 2019, 01:27 AM   #84
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Given how little attention his base paid to the Mueller report, this should be a no-risk move for Trump - IF the tax returns don't actually open the floodgates to a host of avenues for investigation of fraud.
I think it's a no-risk move for Trump even if they do. I am honestly convinced at this point that Trump's base would not abandon him over any sort of white-collar crime whatsoever that his tax returns might expose.

Think about it: practically the entire time Trump's been harping about NO COLLUSION, his base has been saying "so what even if he did?", asserting that the good end of Trump's ending up in the White House justifies whatever means put him there.
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Old 7th May 2019, 02:00 AM   #85
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I think it's a no-risk move for Trump even if they do. I am honestly convinced at this point that Trump's base would not abandon him over any sort of white-collar crime whatsoever that his tax returns might expose.

Think about it: practically the entire time Trump's been harping about NO COLLUSION, his base has been saying "so what even if he did?", asserting that the good end of Trump's ending up in the White House justifies whatever means put him there.
true, his base and the GOP would stay loyal, but lawsuits would annihilate his empire, or the molehill he tries to make look like one.

Remember that Trump only cares about the Presidency inasmuch as it helps him rake in cash.
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Old 7th May 2019, 03:14 AM   #86
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Now, wait a minute. Why would this ban Trump from the ballot? Trump has said he wants to release his taxes, has he not? Once he finds out that being under audit by the IRS does not prevent that, the solution seems obvious and trivial.
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Old 7th May 2019, 04:25 AM   #87
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Now, wait a minute. Why would this ban Trump from the ballot? Trump has said he wants to release his taxes, has he not? Once he finds out that being under audit by the IRS does not prevent that, the solution seems obvious and trivial.
He's changed his tune from can't release because of audit to won't release because of audit. Effectively, though, it's the IRS banning Trump from being on the California ballot.........never Trump's fault.
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Old 7th May 2019, 04:28 AM   #88
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He's changed his tune from can't release because of audit to won't release because of audit. Effectively, though, it's the IRS banning Trump from being on the California ballot.........never Trump's fault.
Well, that appears to remain Trumpís decision.
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Old 7th May 2019, 05:35 AM   #89
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
It seems very unlikely to affect Trump at all (despite the thread title), unless he's in a real battle for the GOP nomination in 2020 Yes, if there is no incumbent Republican (say in 2024) it might have an impact. But the party could always circumvent the issue by declaring that they will not have a primary, but a caucus.
So I suppose that you accept the bill as unremarkable, at worst a waste of time?
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Old 7th May 2019, 05:42 AM   #90
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Originally Posted by Upchurch View Post
Well, that appears to remain Trumpís decision.
He makes all the decisions, but it's never his fault if there is a negative connotation.
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Old 7th May 2019, 01:50 PM   #91
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Her fainting spells? Oh come on. Standing in the heat for too long can cause a person to faint. End of story. I don't recall any spells, plural.

What are you going to see in Trump's medical report? He hires crony doctors just like he appoints cronies to his Cabinet.
Okay, I should have said staggering and being helped into vehicles on more than one occasion, some shown on Network news (from the left and right). Some reported in print. But if she's unable to stand in "the heat" for too long, she'd have certainly not lasted long as POTUS. That's nothing but heat.

Medical exams would be done by the same doctors to avoid "crony" claims from both right and left. Of course, it will never pass because the left and right refuse to cooperate with one another. It's like watching a redneck family reunion.
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Old 7th May 2019, 02:27 PM   #92
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
So I suppose that you accept the bill as unremarkable, at worst a waste of time?
False dichotomy, its is a remarkable waste of time.

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I can agree with that narrative.
Taht makes me regret my earlier snark in your direction.
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I'm still leaning toward the narrative they really are trying to get him to reveal those returns.
This makes me think you aren't that familiar with CA poltics.
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One or the other, or both, I think are valid narratives.

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Old 7th May 2019, 02:32 PM   #93
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Okay, I should have said staggering and being helped into vehicles on more than one occasion, some shown on Network news (from the left and right). Some reported in print. But if she's unable to stand in "the heat" for too long, she'd have certainly not lasted long as POTUS. That's nothing but heat.

Medical exams would be done by the same doctors to avoid "crony" claims from both right and left. Of course, it will never pass because the left and right refuse to cooperate with one another. It's like watching a redneck family reunion.
That's ******** too. So someone helped her not trip.

What is this supposed to suggest anyway, that she has a terminal disease?
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Old 7th May 2019, 02:44 PM   #94
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Originally Posted by ahhell View Post
False dichotomy, its is a remarkable waste of time.
A remarkable waste of time is a waste of time, so your implication that I was guilty of a false dichotomy (when I didn't suggest any disjunction at all) is a bit mystifying.

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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
A remarkable waste of time is a waste of time, so your implication that I was guilty of a false dichotomy (when I didn't suggest any disjunction at all) is a bit mystifying.
Like the bullets at Balaklava....



While not nom worthy (I Has Spoken!) it was a play on words, riffing off your sentence including but the word "unremarkable" and the phrase "waste of time". It was also a play on the typical nit-picky debates we get around here.
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Old 8th May 2019, 06:04 AM   #96
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
A remarkable waste of time is a waste of time, so your implication that I was guilty of a false dichotomy (when I didn't suggest any disjunction at all) is a bit mystifying.
Perhaps it would have been more clear if you realized it was a joke?
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That's ******** too. So someone helped her not trip.

What is this supposed to suggest anyway, that she has a terminal disease?
Drunkenness! Or perhaps, being a lady, she's subject to fits of the vapors and requires a fainting couch.

I love how Clinton can simultaneously be criticized for being too tough and too delicate. She must be a classic "glass cannon"!
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Old 8th May 2019, 08:24 AM   #98
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Perhaps it would have been more clear if you realized it was a joke?
Okay, but the claim that it was a false dichotomy was silly to begin with. I wasn't offering a dichotomy. I was drawing a tentative conclusion based on Brainster's statements, not saying that an opponent of the bill is committed to either claiming it is unconstitutional (or something) or just a waste of time.

There are plenty of other criticisms of the bill. In fact, I may be sympathetic to some of them.
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Drunkenness! Or perhaps, being a lady, she's subject to fits of the vapors and requires a fainting couch.

I love how Clinton can simultaneously be criticized for being too tough and too delicate. She must be a classic "glass cannon"!
I remember how TBD tried to claim Clinton was an alcoholic based on someone saying some bad news would "sober her up." I love far left and far right types sharing silly memes like that, it really shows the quality of the accuser.
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I remember how TBD tried to claim Clinton was an alcoholic based on someone saying some bad news would "sober her up." I love far left and far right types sharing silly memes like that, it really shows the quality of the accuser.
Hillary Clinton's grandmother put witch hazel on cuts for disinfectant, which proves a multigenerational pact with Satan for powers!
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These might have been pointed out because I got bored and skipped a bunch of posts, but...

a) Even if this law was passed and survived challenge, it would be highly unlikely to affect Trump anyways as it it exceedingly rare for a sitting President to face a Primary Challenge, and so there is unlikely to be a Republican Primary in California in 2020.

b) Even if this law was passed and survived challenge, and there is a Republic Primary Challenge or Trump was defeated in 2020 and decided to re-run in 2024, it doesn't ban him from being on the Ballot. He would just have to comply with the law to do so.
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b) Even if this law was passed and survived challenge, and there is a Republic Primary Challenge or Trump was defeated in 2020 and decided to re-run in 2024, it doesn't ban him from being on the Ballot. He would just have to comply with the law to do so.
It would actually be only the primary ballot that Trump must comply with this law or not be listed. So, even if he were primaried but still chose not to release his taxes, if he won the nomination he would still be listed on the general ballot.
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Old 12th May 2019, 11:50 AM   #103
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The fact Trump is now bleating "NO DEM DO-OVERS!" indicates he does have something to hide and he knows it all too well. Because he believes that what is hidden could well end his presidency on the spot. Hence the (mistaken) notion that Hillary, a Democrat, would automatically replace him as a result. Because of course he doesn't understand the presidential election process nor the official line of presidential succession. Or he does but he is playing that line to his base, who are dumber than the box the hammers came in.
Way too true and well spoken!!!!!!!
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