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Old 10th August 2017, 10:04 AM   #41
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I must say that the NRA is playing a clever double-game: the more weapons there are in private hands, the more weapons law enforcement must buy to maintain superior firepower.
Their donors are getting their money's worth.
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Old 10th August 2017, 04:10 PM   #42
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From the link, my bold:

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Violent Left Willing to Let North Korea Threaten America
Even in the face of grave threats from a rouge nation like North Korea, the anti-freedom elitists choose to undermine our president.
Pinkos!
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Old 10th August 2017, 06:38 PM   #43
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NRA spokesliar Dana Loesch fabricates evidence from thin air to justify the NRA's refusal to defend a lawful African American gun owner.

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"He was also in possession of a controlled substance and a firearm simultaneously, which is illegal. Stop lying," Loesch said on Twitter early Thursday.
Two immediate problems:

1. That's not true
2. It doesn't justify summary execution
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Old 11th August 2017, 01:20 PM   #44
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Hey, I'm sure if it were a drunk white guy, they'd be just as opposed, right?
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Old 11th August 2017, 01:54 PM   #45
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I remember when, for about a week, outlets like CNN were trying to show Dana Loesch as a "sensible conservative" because she worked for a right leaning news organization (the Blaze) and criticized Kukol'nyy. They'd bring her on to panels and didn't get too deep into her own beliefs, just the fact that she was disgusted by the current GOP front runner.

Because, apparently, no one bothered to look up just how she got her job at the Blaze.
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Old 11th August 2017, 02:02 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
Hey, I'm sure if it were a drunk white guy, they'd be just as opposed, right?
Which reminds me of an interesting anecdote.

Back in September, I was buttonholed on the bus by a guy who wanted to talk Trump with me. I think what drew him over to me was that he and I were the only white guys on the bus at that point.

So, we're crossing the Cambie bridge and he points to some yacht moored in False Creek and says "That'll be ours someday. God bless Trump." I told him I didn't understand what he was talking about.

Throughout the tirade that followed, he kept going back to some critical moment a few years ago where he realized "We have to take our country back." (We're in Canada, BTW) The event that burst the dam for him was that he was taking his grand kids to Bingo and there were "darkies just standing there smoking pot in public". His opinion: they should all be shot.

My points to him were:
  • It's perfectly legal to smoke pot in public. Contrary to his assertion, they were not criminals.
  • He was sitting beside me with an open bottle of whisky, drinking in public, which *is* a crime in Vancouver. So far, the only criminal in the story is himself.

His response: "Well, that's all about to change. Darkies and their ****** lover friends like you are all going to prison where you belong."

So, I made a long note about this in my journal, because it really did give me concern for the upcoming US election. It reminded me that there is only so much trust we can extend toward an electorate being benevolent and rational.

Here in Canada, the only small consolation I got from that conversation was that the assured me he was going to write in Trump on the upcoming provincial election ballot. He seemed convinced that if the majority of BCians did so, that Trump would be the next Premier.
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Old 11th August 2017, 02:35 PM   #47
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Hey, I'm sure if it were a drunk white guy, they'd be just as opposed, right?
Well, Wayne Lapierre appeared on TV to defend the Bundy idiots so I'd wager no. It appears that the NRA's belief in their interpretation of the constitution is completely dependent on the melanin content of your skin.
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Old 11th August 2017, 02:41 PM   #48
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Here in Canada, the only small consolation I got from that conversation was that the assured me he was going to write in Trump on the upcoming provincial election ballot. He seemed convinced that if the majority of BCians did so, that Trump would be the next Premier.
Don't worry with Canada kinda following the US' lead you get milquetoast Trump and Bannon with Andrew Scheer and Hamish Marshall.

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Scheerís campaign organization has a direct connection to The Rebel: campaign manager Hamish Marshall is listed as a director on the companyís federal incorporation records, which show its most recent annual general meeting was in February of this year.

He previously told the National Observer in 2015 that he is ďnot involved at all in the content production and editorial side of things. My involvement is on the business side.Ē*He did*make some small editorial contributions to the Rebel in 2015, in the way of analyses of that yearís federal election, but has not been a participant in any of the companyís recent controversies.
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Old 11th August 2017, 03:18 PM   #49
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NRA Host suggests that North Korea should nuke Sacramento not Guam. Seems to justify it because Guam is more "American" than California.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nra-tv-ho...204942798.html
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Old 18th August 2017, 11:05 AM   #50
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Has the NRA made any statements about the Charlottesville rally?

All I could find was this :
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...-nra-gun-laws/

In which they don't address the issue at all.
What do you imagine their stance is?
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Old 19th August 2017, 12:35 PM   #51
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NRA Host suggests that North Korea should nuke Sacramento not Guam. Seems to justify it because Guam is more "American" than California.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nra-tv-ho...204942798.html
Well, I kind of agree with his justification. But that's really more of a measure of just how ******* badassly American Guam is, and doesn't really say anything about Sacremento.
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5:33 "At this point, the American flag should really just be a guy from Guam waving an American flag".
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Old 23rd October 2017, 01:00 AM   #52
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Anyone catch the latest one?

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Gotta love the claim right out of the gate that Trump is being subjected to the most ruthless attack on any president in history.
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Old 24th October 2017, 07:22 AM   #53
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The NRA doesn't have much to do since Schumer told his fellow Dems to lay off of gun control because it will hurt them in their quest to get elected next year.
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Old 24th October 2017, 05:57 PM   #54
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Anyone catch the latest one?

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Gotta love the claim right out of the gate that Trump is being subjected to the most ruthless attack on any president in history.
Replace "We are the National Rifle Association" with "We are the National Socialists" and it would make more sense.
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Old 24th October 2017, 08:11 PM   #55
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I love how they equate the peaceful bowing on one knee to violent anarchists and the burning down of Democracy. They sure seem to be fine with their "most hated and attacked" President ever declaring he wants to tear up the Constitution, but how dare a black man silently protest in public!

You know, funny thing. The NRA was all behind the idea of run regulations and control back in the 1960's and 70's when black people (mostly the Blank Panthers) armed themselves to protest and protect their civil rights, now days they have changed their tune considerably. I wonder why that is, anyone got any idea of a common theme here?
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Old 24th October 2017, 10:55 PM   #56
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I think it odd that so many are apparently ignoring how they seem to be calling for their members to murder Liberals.
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Old 24th October 2017, 10:58 PM   #57
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I must say that the NRA is playing a clever double-game: the more weapons there are in private hands, the more weapons law enforcement must buy to maintain superior firepower.
Their donors are getting their money's worth.
Anything they want firearms-wise is free and only a 1033 form away:

https://justnet.org/resources/Excess...-Property.html
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Old 27th April 2019, 02:04 PM   #58
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This seems like a good time to revive a thread like this.

Two items of mention:

Ollie and Wayne had a bit of a falling out:
Oliver North: 'Informed' I will not be renominated NRA president

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But on Friday, the Wall Street Journal reported that LaPierre told the NRA's board that he had refused a demand by North to step down and accused the NRA president of trying to extort him.
According to the Journal, North told the board that he was forming a crisis committee to look at the organization's finances and had told the board's executive committee that LaPierre charged more than $200,000 in wardrobe purchases to a vendor.
The dispute between LaPierre and North originated in part from a dispute between the NRA and contractor Ackerman McQueen Inc., an ad agency which runs NRATV, its online media service. That resulted in a lawsuit filed earlier this month by the NRA.
In the lawsuit, the NRA claimed Ackerman McQueen did not justify its billings with records, according to the Journal. Ackerman McQueen called the lawsuit "frivolous" and "inaccurate," the Journal reported.
In his letter this week, LaPierre wrote that North called his office to relay that unless he resigned, Ackerman McQueen Inc. was prepared to release a damaging letter to the NRA board, the Journal reported
"I believe the purpose of the letter was to humiliate me, discredit our Association, and raise appearances of impropriety that hurt our members and the Second Amendment," LaPierre wrote. "The letter would contain a devastating account of our financial status, sexual harassment charges against a staff member, accusations of wardrobe expenses and excessive staff travel expenses."
And Maria Butina, the Russian woman accused of working with the NRA to insert Russian influence into American politics has been convicted:

Maria Butina: Russian agent sentenced to 18 months in prison


The NRA may not be down for the count - but they have certainly seen better days.
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http://time.com/5578963/donald-trump-arms-trade-treaty/
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In a nearly hourlong speech, he announced he was pulling the U.S. from the Arms Trade Treaty and instructing Congress to stop the ratification process and ďreturn the treaty back to me in the Oval Office where I will dispose of it.Ē

The reaction seemed to surprise Trump, who apparently had thought the crowd might see the action as obscure. ďIím impressed. I didnít know too many of you would know that that is,Ē Trump said, seeming to both compliment and insult the audience at once.
How can those NRA members breathe with their noses so far up Trump's ass?

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When it comes to guns, he has long promised to do nothing that would restrict the rights of gun owners.
Except ban bump stocks in his first gun grab and mock the civil rights of gun owners when he says he would take guns from those who are imagined to be bad people prior to any due process.

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Old 27th April 2019, 05:02 PM   #60
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This is from the guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ty-gun-control
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Old 28th April 2019, 01:03 AM   #61
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Originally Posted by Ranb View Post
http://time.com/5578963/donald-trump-arms-trade-treaty/

How can those NRA members breathe with their noses so far up Trump's ass?


Except ban bump stocks in his first gun grab and mock the civil rights of gun owners when he says he would take guns from those who are imagined to be bad people prior to any due process.

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As far as I can tell, that now-unratified treaty had exactly zero to do with US citizens' 2A rights. It was to do with arms exports. But just by saying "guns" a lot in a sentence and "stopping" something theatrically, they cheer his ass.

How frigging thick can you get. Now we know.
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Old 28th April 2019, 03:35 AM   #62
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I thought the 2A was the right to arm foreign governments.....
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So I wonder if a side effect of unrestricted arms proliferation is more guns in "******** countries" driving more asylum seekers to the US and ramping up the "crisis" on the border.
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The Federal Election Commission is being sued in court for failing to enforce campaign finance laws against the NRA, who it is alleged used shell corporations to donate 9,259 times the legal limit to the Trump campaign
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That kind of thing is only illegal if donations go to Democrats.
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I thought about making a new thread, but this one seems appropriate.

The NRA is some serious turmoil right now. There have been accusations of severe mismanagement and self enrichment by senior leadership of the organization. It's difficult to briefly summarize the nature of the controversy and danger the organization faces.

There is a very thorough piece by The Trace (a gun control news site) and The New Yorker. https://www.thetrace.org/features/nr...erman-mcqueen/

To summarize as best I can:

- Accusations of extremely incestuous relationship between the NRA senior leadership and its chief PR firm, Ackerman McQueen including accusations of conflicts of interests, inflated billing, questionable accounting, wild budget overruns, and so on.

- Ousting of NRA president Oliver North (reported to be pulling 1 million salary from Ackerman)

- Investigation of non-profit status by NY state, threatening tax exempt status of the organization

- Massive boondoggle and financial loss related to ill-conceived self-defense insurance that was offered (briefly) by the NRA and quickly found to be illegal.

- NRA suing NY state over said illegal insurance scheme.

- Claims of general financial difficulty of organization due to various unforced errors above.

It should be noted that Ackerman, the PR firm, is responsible for nearly all of the extreme PR campaigns run by the NRA in recent years. Breitbart star Dana Loesch technically works for the PR firm, not the NRA.

With a little luck, hopefully this controversy results in these extremists and grifters getting purged from the organization.
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NY State is reported to be investigating illegal money transfers from the NRA to the Trump campaign using shell companies.
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How can those NRA members breathe with their noses so far up Trump's ass?
What else do you expect from an organization that's primary contemporary reason to exist is to funnel russian money to republicans?
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
I thought the 2A was the right to arm foreign governments.....
Of course, why else would they choose Ollie North?
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There is a huge divide between the NRA membership and its leaders.
I'm convinced that a majority would back North over LaPierre if given the choice - which of course they aren't.
The people at the top have ruined the NRA, financially and possibly legally.
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There is a huge divide between the NRA membership and its leaders.
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The people at the top have ruined the NRA, financially and possibly legally.
My sense is that this ball started rolling decades ago.
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Maybe Butina put the Russian mind meld on the upper echelon, and now they've started acting in the capacity of a Russian indoctrination asset.
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There is a huge divide between the NRA membership and its leaders.
Is there really that big of a divide?

Yes, its true... the NRA itself is pushing policies that opinion polls show aren't always shared by its membership. But, those members have still decided to stay members, and every time the NRA sounds the alarm (regardless of how bogus it is) they seem to get a lot of response from their members.

I mean, if the NRA is really that far out of touch you would think more people would have abandoned it.

(In a way, its like a Trump supporter saying "I'm not racist..."... a claim hard to accept when they throw their support behind Mr. "Mexicans are Rapists" McBonespurs.)
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Is there really that big of a divide?

Yes, its true... the NRA itself is pushing policies that opinion polls show aren't always shared by its membership. But, those members have still decided to stay members, and every time the NRA sounds the alarm (regardless of how bogus it is) they seem to get a lot of response from their members.

I mean, if the NRA is really that far out of touch you would think more people would have abandoned it.

(In a way, its like a Trump supporter saying "I'm not racist..."... a claim hard to accept when they throw their support behind Mr. "Mexicans are Rapists" McBonespurs.)
Do the membership actually know what is happening at the top of their little clubhouse? And if they know, do they care?
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Do the membership actually know what is happening at the top of their little clubhouse? And if they know, do they care?
I think at this point NRA membership is more of a Cartman like protest to spite the libs more than being in any kind of concrete agreement on actual policy.
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Old 30th April 2019, 12:52 AM   #76
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Is there really that big of a divide?

Yes, its true... the NRA itself is pushing policies that opinion polls show aren't always shared by its membership. But, those members have still decided to stay members, and every time the NRA sounds the alarm (regardless of how bogus it is) they seem to get a lot of response from their members.

I mean, if the NRA is really that far out of touch you would think more people would have abandoned it.

(In a way, its like a Trump supporter saying "I'm not racist..."... a claim hard to accept when they throw their support behind Mr. "Mexicans are Rapists" McBonespurs.)
Any poll of NRA membership shows the same support for closing gunshow loopholes, mandatory background checks and support for safety innovations as can be found in the general population. Only LaPierre is screeming that this would violate the Constitution.
And why not? NRA members have their guns; they don't want obviously dangerous and unqualified people getting some.
If the NRA was run more like a union instead of a gun manufacturer lobbying group, they would help make guns safer to buy, keep and use.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Any poll of NRA membership shows the same support for closing gunshow loopholes, mandatory background checks and support for safety innovations as can be found in the general population. Only LaPierre is screeming that this would violate the Constitution.
And why not? NRA members have their guns; they don't want obviously dangerous and unqualified people getting some.
If the NRA was run more like a union instead of a gun manufacturer lobbying group, they would help make guns safer to buy, keep and use.
Then why support a lobbying group that is at odds with their policy agenda, including getting all upset and refusing to vote for people who try to enact the policies they "want"?
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Any poll of NRA membership shows the same support for closing gunshow loopholes, mandatory background checks and support for safety innovations as can be found in the general population. Only LaPierre is screeming that this would violate the Constitution.
And why not? NRA members have their guns; they don't want obviously dangerous and unqualified people getting some.
If the NRA was run more like a union instead of a gun manufacturer lobbying group, they would help make guns safer to buy, keep and use.
Often there are catches though. On mandatory background checks, for example, a majority (ETA: of NRA members) will support them - but many will only support them if they are "instant" background checks that take an hour or less, and many want them to be free (they don't want to have to "pay to exercise a constitutional right").

NRA members won't support background checks that might take longer to do, and they don't want to need to pay for them, they want that to come out of general tax appropriations. They will also generally reject most any measure introduced by Democrats due to mistrust. So they will support some forms of universal background checks if those measures are introduced by Republicans. Republicans will never introduce those reforms unless they are tied to reductions in gun regulation elsewhere, such as concealed carry reciprocity, or by banning longer duration background checks in states that allow or require those - both measures are guaranteed to be opposed by Dems.

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Often there are catches though. On mandatory background checks, for example, a majority (ETA: of NRA members) will support them - but many will only support them if they are "instant" background checks that take an hour or less, and many want them to be free (they don't want to have to "pay to exercise a constitutional right").
Exactly they support the idea of background checks but any bureaucratic apparatus to actually bring that about is right out.
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Well, looks like the NRA is nothing more than a device to transfer dues and donations to an advertising and lobbying firm.
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