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View Poll Results: If the 2020 Election Was Today, Which Issues(plural) Would Determine Your Vote?
Partisanship - Stopping the other "team" 19 30.65%
The Economy 22 35.48%
The Mueller Report 14 22.58%
Healthcare 38 61.29%
Immigration 19 30.65%
Shaking Up the Establishment (d.b.a. "drain the swamp") 4 6.45%
Controlling the Supreme Court 25 40.32%
Bringing God Back to Government - Getting God Out of Government 5 8.06%
LGBTQ rights and treatment under the law 19 30.65%
Other (please specify in a post) 13 20.97%
On Planet X All We Care About Is Who Can Bake A Cherry Pie 8 12.90%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 26th March 2019, 09:31 PM   #1
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2020 General Election - Our First Poll

There will be no transparency so the poll is as anonymous as we can make it. The question is NOT what you forecast will be the issues come election time but what you see as the important issues right now.

Multiple choices allowed to get a better feel for what the overall concerns of members are.

The choices - as neutrally worded as possible:

WHAT ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES IN THE COMING 2020 ELECTION

> Partisanship - Stopping the other "team"
> The Economy
> The Mueller Report
> Healthcare
> Immigration
> Shaking Up the Establishment (d.b.a. "drain the swamp")
> Controlling the Supreme Court
> Bringing God Back to Government - Getting God Out of Government
> LGBTQ rights and treatment under the law
> Other (please specify)
> On Planet X All We Care About Is Who Can Bake A Cherry Pie

I will leave the poll open for a month. Hopefully we get a large enough statistical sampling that it means something (for certain definitions of "means").

Remember - Multiple Selections Are Encouraged. We can't give you "weighting" because the forum software only allows Select / Don't Select.

I'll try to repost the poll periodically to see trends. I know the forum tends to trend "liberal", so that should be taken into account, ultimately. But that's why the choices are as neutral as I could make them. Whether you're for or against a certain stand on, say, "Healthcare" is not important. It's important whether that issue is going to be your driver when deciding how to vote.

Feel free to commence with the usual bickering, but do try to keep to the topic of the thread, which is not the various approaches to the issues but WHETHER OR NOT YOU FEEL THE ISSUES WILL BE THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN HOW YOU VOTE (or would vote if you're not an American).
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Old 27th March 2019, 12:38 AM   #2
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Economy
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Old 27th March 2019, 12:53 AM   #3
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My one and only criteria is that the candidate I vote for won't be named Trump.
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Old 27th March 2019, 03:20 AM   #4
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I donít know if this counts as ďOtherĒ or a subset of ďEconomyĒ, but I clicked both. One of the bigger issues for me is the weakening middle class. Obama at least attempted to help that problem with the ACA. Trump appears to be doing everything in his power, and a few things that might not be, to cripple the middle and lower classes even more.
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Old 27th March 2019, 03:23 AM   #5
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My one and only criteria is that the candidate I vote for won't be named Trump.
Well. Basic competence and respect for truth and facts would also be nice, yes.
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Old 27th March 2019, 05:47 AM   #6
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Supreme Court.

As of right now everything Trump has done can be undone almost as quickly as he's done it. So much of what he's done has been through Executive Orders the next President can basically undue his Presidency in an afternoon.

But Supreme Court Justices? And younger (relatively speaking) ones at that? That's a long, long, long term major measurable effect kind of thing. And getting rid of a Supreme Court Justice is really, really uncharted territory so I'd wager anyone on there is gonna stay.

Ginsberg is not going to last forever and none of them are spring chickens and right now the only thing saving us from a total Conservative controlled court is Roberts occasionally breaking from the herd and just the general fact that before the last couple of appointments the SCOTUS Judges were the least partisan members of high government. One more Kavanaugh or Goursch and that's it. We've basically established a Conservative Theocracy for the rest of most of our lives.
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Old 27th March 2019, 05:50 AM   #7
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Can I vote on the poll even though I can't vote in the US?
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Old 27th March 2019, 05:51 AM   #8
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Can I vote on the poll even though I can't vote in the US?
If you're Russian you can vote thousands of times in a US election.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Can I vote on the poll even though I can't vote in the US?
See final paragraph of OP.

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Old 27th March 2019, 10:10 AM   #10
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My one and only criteria is that the candidate I vote for won't be named Trump.
As I understand the poll, it's not just the presidential election, but the 2020 election in general.
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Old 27th March 2019, 10:16 AM   #11
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Well. Basic competence and respect for truth and facts would also be nice, yes.
Letís see. A crumpled shoe box...or Trump.

Still not a tough decision.
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Old 27th March 2019, 10:19 AM   #12
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Among my choices was “other,” to cover climate change and development of energy tech.
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My one and only criteria is that the candidate I vote for won't be named Trump.
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I like your honesty, but perhaps you should consider how productive Ahab's obsession turned out to be.
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I like your honesty, but perhaps you should consider how productive Ahab's obsession turned out to be.
Somebody got a book deal out of it, at least. These days such events would launch Ishmael into celebrity as a social media influencer, talk show host, and inevitably a run for political office. And perhaps a fashion line or theme restaurant chain if that didn't work out. If you really think about it Ahab lucked out by being killed before modernity hit.
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Climate Change isn't there, and should be.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
See final paragraph of OP.
Sorry, I got bored before getting to the end.
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Corruption - As in the current injustice in prosecution, convictions, sentencing both for white collar and all other crimes.

Healthcare - Medicare for all or something similar

Economy - Wealth inequality and the coming AI/Automation revolution. Need to look at and or implement higher taxes on the wealthy and universal basic income.

Other - Fixing our election system such as gerrymandering, implementing a STAR voting system and fixing the insane influence of money in politics. Also climate change

Other issues listed in the poll are also important but I did not select them because I wanted to focus on just the most important issues at the moment and most likely to influence my vote.

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Is this about the presidential election specifically? Or about all the federal elections scheduled for the 2020 term?
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
I like your honesty, but perhaps you should consider how productive Ahab's obsession turned out to be.
The guy had nothing to lose. He was a peg-legged old fart. Chasing the whale at least gave the old fart something to do.
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Climate Change isn't there, and should be.
Seconded.

But the absence of climate change as a motivating issue is accurate.
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Almost partisanship, the Dems would have to run a complete nut to loose my Vote. I would be a hard choice for me to vote for Warren or Sanders but I might. Sanders would be easier than Warren, Warren might actually get something done.

The point there is that it would have to be someone left of Warren for me not to vote for the Dem. Even then, I'd just vote third party. I can't imagine voting for Trump.

The down ballot stuff, I'll vote generally for third parties but I would vote for a Dem or Rep if they aren't ******** or blatant partisan hacks.

Initiatives and what not, mostly no but I can be convinced to vote yes.

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The guy had nothing to lose. He was a peg-legged old fart. Chasing the whale at least gave the old fart something to do.
It got at lot of people killed, and sank a profitable business venture.
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I like your honesty, but perhaps you should consider how productive Ahab's obsession turned out to be.
To say nothing of Khanís.
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To say nothing of Khanís.
Khan at least started with nothing and set out with single minded resolve to get something back.

Ahab started with a profitable business, and smashed it all to pieces.
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Well. Basic competence and respect for truth and facts would also be nice, yes.
Which eliminates AOC, for one. We're getting somewhere.
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Nothing matters but getting rid of Trump. And a good cherry pie.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Is this about the presidential election specifically? Or about all the federal elections scheduled for the 2020 term?
It's about the General Election which includes the Presidential vote, all House members, 1/3 of the Senators and X number of governors. It's not possible to include all the variables to cover people who use different criteria to decide how they will vote for one or the other position, but as a general principle consider it to be "The General Election". If you're concerned about stacking the Supreme Court or Immigration, it's not likely you'll vote for Lisa Lefty for President and Rhonda Righty for the House.
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The next poll, in a few months, will include:

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The next poll, in a few months, will include:

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And possibly "Moon Mission Boondoggle". Or "Moondoggle". If nobody's called it that yet I want credit for inventing it!!
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It got at lot of people killed, and sank a profitable business venture.
They knew what they were getting into. Old Ahab talked of nothing else but getting even with that whale for not letting him kill it.

You're going out into the ocean to attack a giant intelligent whale that's already whupped your ass. You are led by a crazy old fart who lost a leg the last time he went after the whale. Do the math.
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The most important thing for me is getting Trump out. I don't think I could take another 4 years of him. Just looking at him makes me nauseated.

I'll vote a straight Dem party line because, while far from perfect, at least I mostly agree with the Dem values over the GOP's, especially after their cowardly performance brown nosing Trump. Some of them are so far up Trump's ass they had to send out a search and rescue team to find them.
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My other is campaign finance reform, environment, and lowering the deficit. Less military spending would be smarter but probably not realistic.

I want to add how important healthcare reform is to people my age who hope to have a chance at retirement in their 60’s. Tying something like that to your employer makes it so hard to be without one. It’s dumb to me to want to keep that.

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The most important thing for me is getting Trump out. I don't think I could take another 4 years of him. Just looking at him makes me nauseated.

I'll vote a straight Dem party line because, while far from perfect, at least I mostly agree with the Dem values over the GOP's, especially after their cowardly performance brown nosing Trump. Some of them are so far up Trump's ass they had to send out a search and rescue team to find them.
Pretty much this. My hardest choice will be who to vote for in the Dem primaries. Luckily, that is still quite some ways out.
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Pretty much this. My hardest choice will be who to vote for in the Dem primaries. Luckily, that is still quite some ways out.
There are so many now that, frankly, I'm waiting for them to be weeded out before giving any one serious consideration. Although I have to say that I'm impressed by Buttegeig.
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Yes, there are true gems running, most of whom won't make it. I do hope that the primaries will help, not harm their future political prospects.
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Nothing matters but getting rid of Trump. And a good cherry pie.
That sort of attitude is what got us Trump, "Nothing matters but keeping Clinton out" Honestly, I don't know how much of the vote was that, but some of it probably was, probably half of his vote was, "not the democrat".
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Yes, there are true gems running, most of whom won't make it. I do hope that the primaries will help, not harm their future political prospects.
I'll bet there's studies of that, how many pols that last a presidential primary went on to other success? I can't think of any that did more than just keep their current job. Could be confirmation bias though.
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Partisanship

This is probably the first election where I see things in a strictly partisan way. I can not, under any circumstances, vote for any politician that espouses any support or membership of the Republican party.

The Republican party is openly abandoning fundamental principles of good government. No matter what individual ideas they may hold that I agree with, their approach of governance is so subversive it should not be allowed to continued.

This is a shame because there are certain conservative principles that I see as valid or worthy of debate, but are endangered by their association with the Republican party.

Getting Trump out is not only a good in itself, but a repudiation of the politics of the enablers that are content to let him run roughshod over the spirit and letter of the law. All enablers must perish, politically speaking.
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Old 29th March 2019, 09:23 AM   #38
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Partisanship

This is probably the first election where I see things in a strictly partisan way. I can not, under any circumstances, vote for any politician that espouses any support or membership of the Republican party.

The Republican party is openly abandoning fundamental principles of good government. No matter what individual ideas they may hold that I agree with, their approach of governance is so subversive it should not be allowed to continued.

This is a shame because there are certain conservative principles that I see as valid or worthy of debate, but are endangered by their association with the Republican party.

Getting Trump out is not only a good in itself, but a repudiation of the politics of the enablers that are content to let him run roughshod over the spirit and letter of the law. All enablers must perish, politically speaking.
This has been my position since 2015. I'm not claiming to be prescient; many others saw the warning signs. This was my stated reason for biting the bullet and supporting Hillary. It wasn't simply Stop Trump. It was Stop the Republicans. They no longer represent one-damn-thing I can support. And the 2020 slate is going to be even worse. Trump has co-opted the RNC - it should be called the Trump National Committee and several state organizations (notably the Ohio Republican Party) and the moderates have gotten very scarce. There are no diamonds-in-the-rough coming up for the Republicans, all lumps of coal.
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Old 29th March 2019, 10:03 AM   #39
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I notice wealth inequality is off the list.

Those that control the dialogue have really done a number on that one.

Anyone remember Obama campaigning on it?
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Old 29th March 2019, 10:28 AM   #40
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Originally Posted by ahhell View Post
Almost partisanship, the Dems would have to run a complete nut to loose my Vote.
How's Michael Avenatti doing these days?
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