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Old 20th April 2019, 12:31 PM   #321
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
This is a disaster just waiting to happen.
I do not disagree. But “frontier justice” is part of the American psyche, and armed civilian militias date as far back as the Minutemen.

Remember, our President has painted the situation on the border as an emergency. And worse, as an invasion. That certainly sets the stage for certain citizens to see the need to “take the law into their own hands.” Add together “emergency” and “invasion” and some may latch onto a “Red Dawn” mentality where action on their part is the patriotic thing to do.

I’m not siding with these folks, but I can understand their motivation based on the dog whistles being broadcast by the President.
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Old 20th April 2019, 12:40 PM   #322
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I do not disagree. But “frontier justice” is part of the American psyche, and armed civilian militias date as far back as the Minutemen.

Remember, out President has painted the situation on the border as an emergency. And worse, as an invasion. That certainly sets the stage for certain citizens to see the need to “take the law into their own hands.” Add together “emergency” and “invasion” and some may latch onto a “Red Dawn” mentality where action on their part is the patriotic thing to do.

I’m not siding with these folks, but I can understand their motivation based on the dog whistles being broadcast by the President.
I know exactly where this is coming from: Trump. I think that's pretty obvious. Trump has tapped into the gun crazy-frontier justice psyche of SOME Americans with his "Second Amendment solution" nonsense.
I think they believe this is 'patriotism'; it's not. It's a chance for these idiots to play John Wayne/Clint Eastwood/I'm a Big Hero roles and feel like big, powerful men. They're not. They're just idiots.
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Old 20th April 2019, 03:35 PM   #323
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This is a disaster just waiting to happen. How long before one of these self-important, idiot yahoos shoots someone?
You don't say. QAnon-Loving Border Militia Is Run by Ex-Con Who Says He Talks to Trump

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UCP says it works with Border Patrol, which publicly claims that it doesn’t condone them. And the group’s founder, a conspiracy theorist who was previously convicted of impersonating an officer, claims to be in contact with President Donald Trump.



Civilian border patrols have a long history among the far right. The first modern border militia was a 1970s effort by then-Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke and his cronies. (“Duke’s project quickly fell apart amid internecine bickering with his fellow neo-Nazis,” writer David Neiwert recounts in his book Alt-America.) Today’s border militias have mobilized around far-right conspiracy theories.

UCP produces an online radio show, a recent episode of which pushed a racist conspiracy theory accusing the country’s Muslims (including Rep. Ilhan Omar) of trying to “impose Sharia law.” The group also latched onto a conspiracy theory accusing ISIS of trying to sneak into the country across the border. (Trump has tweeted a discredited meme that alluded to the conspiracy.)



The conspiratorial DNA goes deep with the group. Its founder goes by Johnny Horton Jr., a reference to musician Johnny Horton. The 69-year-old’s actual name is Larry Mitchell Hopkins, the Southern Poverty Law Center reported last year.

Despite a professed love for the law, Hopkins has his own rap sheet. Court records reviewed by The Daily Beast revealed multiple convictions, including a 2006 conviction for impersonating an officer and felony firearm possession. (Reached by phone on Thursday, Hopkins declined to speak.)
Thankfully the FBI arrested this lunatic. Let the pardon countdown begin.
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Old 20th April 2019, 04:07 PM   #324
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post

I'd like to be able to say that I'm even mildly surprised at this. But I can't. That these alt-right morons are such Trump fans says so much about Trump himself.
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Old 20th April 2019, 04:43 PM   #325
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Old 20th April 2019, 04:48 PM   #326
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Trump Tweeted

If @MittRomney spent the same energy fighting Barack Obama as he does fighting Donald Trump, he could have won the race (maybe)!
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Old 20th April 2019, 05:37 PM   #327
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It might not matter. They could be eating a state charge too for kidnapping or unlawful imprisonment.
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Old 20th April 2019, 06:01 PM   #328
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Three scoops of ice cream today?
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Old 20th April 2019, 06:07 PM   #329
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
Three scoops of ice cream today?
And a spanking with the Mueller Report?
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Old 20th April 2019, 09:26 PM   #330
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And a spanking with the Mueller Report?
Three scoops of ice cream while getting spanked with the rolled up Mueller report?

Oh happy day!

*meow purr purr*
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Old 20th April 2019, 09:48 PM   #331
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweeted

If @MittRomney spent the same energy fighting Barack Obama as he does fighting Donald Trump, he could have won the race (maybe)!
Republicans need help from Russia to win the presidency.
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Old 20th April 2019, 10:07 PM   #332
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Republicans need help from Russia to win the presidency.
Nah...all they need are people who don't care that their president is a pathological liar, a malignant narcissist, a cheating scumbag with the morals of a tomcat, and has the integrity of Richard Nixon.
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Old 20th April 2019, 10:21 PM   #333
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Nah...all they need are people who don't care that their president is a pathological liar, a malignant narcissist, a cheating scumbag with the morals of a tomcat, and has the integrity of Richard Nixon.
And help from Russia.
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Old 20th April 2019, 11:21 PM   #334
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And help from Russia.
Well the Republicans swept both houses and a total of over 1000 seats across the country in 2010 midterms, relying largely on the short attention span and ignorance of the electorate.
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Old 20th April 2019, 11:22 PM   #335
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Originally Posted by AnonyMoose View Post
Three scoops of ice cream while getting spanked with the rolled up Mueller report?

Oh happy day!

*meow purr purr*
Considering how thick it is, I'd have to say "clobbered" instead.
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Old 21st April 2019, 01:58 AM   #336
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Nah...all they need are people who don't care that their president is a pathological liar, a malignant narcissist, a cheating scumbag with the morals of a tomcat, and has the integrity of Richard Nixon.
I disagree. The fact that President Nixon tried to hide his actions and limit the number of people who knew shows that he had more integrity than President Trump.

Also, the fact that Nixon believed that a president should be familiar with the Constitution also indicates a greater level of integrity.
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Old 21st April 2019, 04:21 AM   #337
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Happy Easter! I have never been happier or more content because your Country is doing so well, with an Economy that is the talk of the World and may be stronger than it has ever been before. Have a great day!
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Old 21st April 2019, 06:04 AM   #338
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This is a disaster just waiting to happen. How long before one of these self-important, idiot yahoos shoots someone?
The leader has been arrested and charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm and ammunition

It's not made clear in the article, but it seems from context that what is being cited is a prior felony conviction - presumably for some act of violence, given the description of him as "dangerous".
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Old 21st April 2019, 07:38 AM   #339
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Trump Tweets

Happy Easter! I have never been happier or more content because your Country is doing so well, with an Economy that is the talk of the World and may be stronger than it has ever been before. Have a great day!
That tweet seems like Russian propaganda to help Trump. The talk of the world is that the POTUS is an immoral unethical pathological liar.
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Old 21st April 2019, 08:28 AM   #340
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Well the Republicans swept both houses and a total of over 1000 seats across the country in 2010 midterms, relying largely on the short attention span and ignorance of the electorate.
Democrats didn't lose the Senate until 2014.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_U...nate_elections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_U...nate_elections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_U...nate_elections
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We lost the supermajority in the Senate in the '09-10 term, perhaps that's what they meant. That is, after all, about the minimum it takes to get basically anything done.
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Old 21st April 2019, 09:16 AM   #342
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Well the Republicans swept both houses and a total of over 1000 seats across the country in 2010 midterms, relying largely on the short attention span and ignorance of the electorate.
Talking about the short attention span and ignorance of the electorate do you remember that a Republican member of one of those houses said this about Trump ………."I think he's a kook. I think he's crazy. I think he's unfit for office," said Graham.

Why did people elect a crazy man to be POTUS? In the Mueller report it is confirmed that people around Trump claimed he acted or said things that were crazy.
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Old 21st April 2019, 09:20 AM   #343
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Trump Tweets

Happy Easter! I have never been happier or more content because your Country is doing so well, with an Economy that is the talk of the World and may be stronger than it has ever been before. Have a great day!
"Your" Country?!?!
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"Your" Country?!?!
Putin had a slip of the tongue.
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Old 21st April 2019, 11:48 AM   #345
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that's right. thanks.
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That tweet seems like Russian propaganda to help Trump. The talk of the world is that the POTUS is an immoral unethical pathological liar.
And ridiculous, let's not forget that.
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Old 21st April 2019, 02:29 PM   #347
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I disagree. The fact that President Nixon tried to hide his actions and limit the number of people who knew shows that he had more integrity than President Trump.

Also, the fact that Nixon believed that a president should be familiar with the Constitution also indicates a greater level of integrity.
I stand corrected!
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Republicans need help from Russia to win the presidency.
There's the counterpoint to Trump's "Fake News" in the run-up to 2020 : "Russian Interference". With Assange out of the picture, the Russkies will need a new conduit to FoxNews and anybody can be fingered as being it.
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"Russian Interference". With Assange out of the picture, the Russkies will need a new conduit to FoxNews and anybody can be fingered
Sounds like normal media operations to me.
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Sounds like normal media operations to me.
From WikiLeaks to Hannity to beyond is not like from Hannity directly.
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From WikiLeaks to Hannity to beyond is not like from Hannity directly.
It all depends on who's behind it all.
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I disagree. The fact that President Nixon tried to hide his actions and limit the number of people who knew shows that he had more integrity than President Trump.

Also, the fact that Nixon believed that a president should be familiar with the Constitution also indicates a greater level of integrity.
Nixon was a far more complex person than Donald Trump. Trump is like a two-dimensional character in a movie with a plot that calls for a totally self-obsessed and self-serving person, and he's ruining the movie by over-acting.
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Nixon was a far more complex person than Donald Trump. Trump is like a two-dimensional character in a movie with a plot that calls for a totally self-obsessed and self-serving person, and he's ruining the movie by over-acting.
Oh, yeah.
That explains why I am having such a hard time suspending my disbelief. I’ve got a lot of disbelief.

JRR Tolkien said an important step was creating “a logically consistent fictional world.” That’s the problem: President Trump is having a hard time creating a logically consistent anything.
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Why did people elect a crazy man to be POTUS? In the Mueller report it is confirmed that people around Trump claimed he acted or said things that were crazy.
Very simple. They didn't elect Trump, they elected a Republican. He could have been Hitler and it wouldn't have mattered to them, so long as he had an 'R' next to his name.
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Very simple. They didn't elect Trump, they elected a Republican. He could have been Hitler and it wouldn't have mattered to them, so long as he had an 'R' next to his name.
But that doesn’t explain why people who voted for President Obama voted for President Trump.

The single largest factor in any presidential election is who the opponent is. The hatred of Senator Clinton runs very deep.
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Apologies if this has been covered already, but I laughed when I read the president’s description in the Time 100 list of the world’s most influential people.

Chris Christie described President Trump by saying:
Every modern U.S. President tries to influence the world. President Donald Trump has done this through opposing the NATO countries not paying their fair share, pushing China and our North American neighbors for fairer trade agreements and withdrawing from the Iran nuclear agreement. His boldest move in this direction is likely his personal efforts on the issue of North Korea. President Trump has, in fact, used the past year to place his imprint on a problem spanning more than six decades. [more]
He doesn’t say the president has influenced the world in a positive way, he just says influenced.

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And he doesn’t even say the president created more fair trade agrreeements, Christie just says pushing for fair trade. And he didn’t change any scheduled NATO payments, he merely opposed countries not paying their fair share.
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But that doesn’t explain why people who voted for President Obama voted for President Trump.

The single largest factor in any presidential election is who the opponent is. The hatred of Senator Clinton runs very deep.
no.

After 2 terms, the White House almost always changes parties. And it usually does so with a clear majority.
Even with Russian support, years of lies and character assassination against Clinton (including FBI directors breaking protocol to intervene in an ongoing election), and a dedicated propaganda channel (Fox), Trump still lost the popular vote.
Clinton had a massive disadvantage, most of all because Trump seemed too weak to any sane person to be taken seriously.
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Do you propose not impeaching a corrupt president in order to maximize the catastrophe so that people will learn better?
What catastrophe?
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It is not about the impeachment so much as it is about getting away from business-as-usual for a bit. If a lot of the key Republicans were to admit that nominating Trump was a mistake (the Democrats are already onboard with that)
Trump was nominated by Republican voters, not "key Republicans". It doesn't generally work for people to admit mistakes on behalf of others, especially if those others don't think it was a mistake.

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FWIW, I think Trump's presidency is more a symptom than a cause.
I agree with that, but possibly not for the same reasons.
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Do you propose not impeaching a corrupt president in order to maximize the catastrophe so that people will learn better?
I propose that the proper purpose of impeachment isn't to teach anyone anything.
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law
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