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Old 8th May 2019, 03:31 PM   #241
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Yes he will.

President Trump just says a lot of ****, he actually seems to do very little.
And eats a lot of it too.
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Old 8th May 2019, 03:32 PM   #242
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Will Trump Allow a Transfer of Power?

Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Thread title immediately following this question:

The Trump Presidency 14
Holy crap. He'll be REALLY old by then!
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Old 8th May 2019, 05:40 PM   #243
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Yes, that is my prediction, based on what I think is. Again, distinct from what I want.
...and when asked what you base that prediction on you continually refuse to respond.

Look, I don't care if it's a prediction, what you want, or whatever; I'm simply asking you to explain why you have expressed such a double standard between such similar situations.

Believe it or not, you've given the best possible response I could have ever wanted:

You've indicated you're incapable of honestly answering a question I asked.

I knew you were being insincere all along, I just wanted you to demonstrate it so obviously.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
And if he and republicans suspended elections, would they coup to overthrow them? The military is a red herring in the whole debate, they are highly unlikely to either overthrow or preserve democracy in the US.
Republicans can't suspend elections. States allow elections to go forward. Though I've seen things some Republican officials have done to suppress certain voter turnouts, I've seen nothing to indicate elections won't be held. Keep in mind, we actually hold thousands of county/parish elections all over the country, not one big election.
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Old 8th May 2019, 06:09 PM   #245
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
...and when asked what you base that prediction on you continually refuse to respond.

Look, I don't care if it's a prediction, what you want, or whatever; I'm simply asking you to explain why you have expressed such a double standard between such similar situations.

Believe it or not, you've given the best possible response I could have ever wanted:

You've indicated you're incapable of honestly answering a question I asked.

I knew you were being insincere all along, I just wanted you to demonstrate it so obviously.

Thanks!
You've taken this strangely personally. It doesn't suffice for you to argue that I'm wrong, you somehow feel the need to prove that I'm a bad person. I'm not angry, though, because it can't feel good going through life with that kind of attitude.
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Old 8th May 2019, 06:44 PM   #246
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I'm sure the tinfoil hat brigade had their conspiracy theories of "The president's going to cancel the election and seize power" before, but George H. W. Bush was the first one I personally heard. Funnily enough, it also involved the Russians. The story was that former Soviet troops were going to invade the US under the UN flag in order to found and enforce Bush's New World Order.

I think that one's still my favorite, although I also have a fondness for the President Obama one that Obama was going to conspire with Black Lives Matter to kill a bunch of cops simultaneously around the nation and riot so that Obama could cancel the election "until order was restored".
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Old 8th May 2019, 07:09 PM   #247
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
You've taken this strangely personally. It doesn't suffice for you to argue that I'm wrong, you somehow feel the need to prove that I'm a bad person. I'm not angry, though, because it can't feel good going through life with that kind of attitude.
Look ma, he's still not answering the question! LOL!

Hey, don't blame me if I get tired of the same old same old where yet another Trump supporter debates ingenuously...after all, it's not me that's debating disingenuously.

You might want to think about that, but I'm sure you won't.
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Old 8th May 2019, 07:25 PM   #248
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Originally Posted by cmikes View Post
I'm sure the tinfoil hat brigade had their conspiracy theories of "The president's going to cancel the election and seize power" before, but George H. W. Bush was the first one I personally heard. Funnily enough, it also involved the Russians. The story was that former Soviet troops were going to invade the US under the UN flag in order to found and enforce Bush's New World Order.

I think that one's still my favorite, although I also have a fondness for the President Obama one that Obama was going to conspire with Black Lives Matter to kill a bunch of cops simultaneously around the nation and riot so that Obama could cancel the election "until order was restored".
Before Bush it was Nixon. It's why I don't take this charge very seriously. But Trump does give me pause.
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Old 8th May 2019, 07:34 PM   #249
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Most of the committee members are lawyers, including the chairman.
My guess is that the committee wanted a currently practicing attorney skilled in questioning hostile witnesses.
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Old 8th May 2019, 08:58 PM   #250
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My guess is that the committee wanted a currently practicing attorney skilled in questioning hostile witnesses.
Undoubtedly. But it's not about getting the truth about the Mueller report, it's about going on the offensive against Barr himself.

They really don't want him to investigate the origins of the Mueller probe, the FISA warrants, etc.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Undoubtedly. But it's not about getting the truth about the Mueller report, it's about going on the offensive against Barr himself.

They really don't want him to investigate the origins of the Mueller probe, the FISA warrants, etc.
How can that be true, when Nunes has already done that with nothing to show for?
Barr is doing a Benghazi, with repeating false allegations.
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Old 8th May 2019, 09:22 PM   #252
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How can that be true, when Nunes has already done that with nothing to show for?
Barr has access to a lot more than Nunes did, since everything happened under the department he now heads.
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Old 8th May 2019, 09:35 PM   #253
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
My guess is that the committee wanted a currently practicing attorney skilled in questioning hostile witnesses.
Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Undoubtedly. But it's not about getting the truth about the Mueller report, it's about going on the offensive against Barr himself.
Nope.

Nadler made it very clear, the 5 minute questions let Barr filibuster. Barr did so effectively avoiding answering any tough questions in the Senate hearing. Having a single attorney ask the questions did not include the 5 minute format.


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They really don't want him to investigate the origins of the Mueller probe, the FISA warrants, etc.
You're smarter than this answer suggests, Zig. This belongs in the CT forum.

I keep thinking you are just politically biased. This BS suggests you really like that koolaid.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Barr has access to a lot more than Nunes did, since everything happened under the department he now heads.
Really?
Nunes forced the FBI to hand over everything, including internal stuff like text messages between agents.

If Barr can find more, it would mean that the FBI didn't comply with the House subpoenas.
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I'm not sure if any of you caught it but at last night's rally, when Trump wasn't laughing as the crowd chanted "shoot them" about immigrants, he said he wanted to be in office for "10 or 14 years" and then afterward his supporters tell us it is all just a joke.



"Just joking about the mass murder and endless presidency, you mad bro?"
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Old 9th May 2019, 01:54 AM   #256
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I think Trump isn't really the President who his supporters want, he is there to stop anyone else from taking up the position.
The Trump base hates the GOP Establishment - just a tiny bit less than they hate Democrats.
But they don't really want either party in power.
So they might gladly support Trump's indefinitely prolonged first term - not because they think he's the best, but because everyone else would be worse.
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I'm not sure if any of you caught it but at last night's rally, when Trump wasn't laughing as the crowd chanted "shoot them" about immigrants, he said he wanted to be in office for "10 or 14 years" and then afterward his supporters tell us it is all just a joke.



"Just joking about the mass murder and endless presidency, you mad bro?"
President Trump loves the kind of adulation he gets at his rallies and will do or say things to encourage it. It doesn't mean that he's going to follow through on it (or anything else for that matter) and I doubt whether he thinks about any repercussions from what he does or says.

If someone attended that rally and later shoots some immigrants, Donald Trump wold deny any kind of causal link.
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I'm sure the tinfoil hat brigade had their conspiracy theories of "The president's going to cancel the election and seize power" before, but George H. W. Bush was the first one I personally heard.
The difference of course is that this is mainstream pundits and the president advocating for it. I doubt it will get traction but it is completely different from the previous times. Polls show republicans are pretty OK with this.

A majority of republicans supported it last year before the push for it after all.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ion/555769001/
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Imagine, just for a moment, if Obama had "joked" about shooting evangelicals and had top liberals on Twitter advocating for an extended term. Just imagine the storm of rage that would rain down from the same people that assure us constantly not to take any of this Trump stuff seriously.
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Really?
Nunes forced the FBI to hand over everything, including internal stuff like text messages between agents.

If Barr can find more, it would mean that the FBI didn't comply with the House subpoenas.
Is that news to you? Because already there have been stories coming out of relevant documents that Nunes didnít get from the FBI. For example:
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...air-trump-dirt
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Is that news to you? Because already there have been stories coming out of relevant documents that Nunes didnít get from the FBI. For example:
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...air-trump-dirt
I find it surprising that no one investigated the people at the FBI who leaked stories about Clinton's emails.
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FBI director Wray said that he is not aware of any wrongdoing related to the investigation into Russia's ties with the Trump campaign.

Barr, again with no actual information, is convinced that there was.
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So, as far back as I can remember we had conspiracy theories that President ( ) would not step down and possibly cancel elections.

For the first time ever it sorta seems possible when you consider that Trump himself is saying he had two years stolen from him, his top surrogates advocating for giving him two extra years, Pelosi says she is worried he won't give up the Presidency if the election is close and Michael Cohen, his own lawyer, thinks he will never give up the Presidency owing to how he would immediately be exposed to numerous criminal prosecutions.

Is it time to give up on the idea that elections will even mean anything in 2020?
I have a (much) bigger concern.

Suppose Trump loses in 2020, he rages and storms on Twitter for two months, but achieves nothing. The Senate Republicans tell him there is nothing they can do, the military tells them to **** off. He knows he's in legal hot water, the teasing of protesters about seeing Trump in an orange suit. A semi-competent lawyer still willing to work for him tells him they're right and recommends a plea bargain.

So what does he do? Easy. On the night prior to inauguration he jumps into Air Force One and flies to Russia. He steps off the plane and asks for a political asylum in Russia.

He spends his final years spewing out verbal vomits against Democrats on Twitter and giving interviews about corrupt Democrat witch hunts in the US and so on and so forth.

If that's not scary enough imagine him bringing a briefcase loaded with sensitive goodies too.

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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
I have a (much) bigger concern.

Suppose Trump loses in 2020, he rages and storms on Twitter for two months, but achieves nothing. The Senate Republicans tell him there is nothing they can do, the military tells them to **** off. He knows he's in legal hot water, the teasing of protesters about seeing Trump in an orange suit. A semi-competent lawyer still willing to work for him tells him they're right and recommends a plea bargain.

So what does he do? Easy. On the night prior to inauguration he jumps into Air Force One and flies to Russia. He steps off the plane and asks for a political asylum in Russia.

He spends his final years spewing out verbal vomits against Democrats on Twitter and giving interviews about corrupt Democrat witch hunts in the US and so on and so forth.

If that's not scary enough imagine him bringing a briefcase loaded with sensitive goodies too.

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What's scary about it? Good riddance, so long as he doesn't leave with secrets.
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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
I have a (much) bigger concern.

Suppose Trump loses in 2020, he rages and storms on Twitter for two months, but achieves nothing. The Senate Republicans tell him there is nothing they can do, the military tells them to **** off. He knows he's in legal hot water, the teasing of protesters about seeing Trump in an orange suit. A semi-competent lawyer still willing to work for him tells him they're right and recommends a plea bargain.

So what does he do? Easy. On the night prior to inauguration he jumps into Air Force One and flies to Russia. He steps off the plane and asks for a political asylum in Russia.

He spends his final years spewing out verbal vomits against Democrats on Twitter and giving interviews about corrupt Democrat witch hunts in the US and so on and so forth.

If that's not scary enough imagine him bringing a briefcase loaded with sensitive goodies too.

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Sounds like a dream scenario compared to the situation today.
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What's scary about it? Good riddance, so long as he doesn't leave with secrets.
You forget that the President remains President for more than two months after the election. He doesn't lose the nuclear codes or any other power. Imagine the damage that an enraged Trump with nothing to lose could wreak in two months.
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You forget that the President remains President for more than two months after the election. He doesn't lose the nuclear codes or any other power. Imagine the damage that an enraged Trump with nothing to lose could wreak in two months.
Codes can be changed, I'm sure. If he skidaddles to Russia Pence would become president pretty quickly, I think.
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The paranoia in this thread is equal parts amusing and disturbing.

Side note, at the end of the Nixon administration their was basically a silent coup. IIRC, the Sec of State and Sec of Defense gave orders to the Military to run any orders from Nixon through them prior to executing them.

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I find it surprising that no one investigated the people at the FBI who leaked stories about Clinton's emails.
Yes, that might be surprising. If it were true.

But it's not true. It was investigated by the FBI inspector general.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...829_story.html
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The paranoia in this thread is equal parts amusing and disturbing.

Side note, at the end of the Nixon administration their was basically a silent coup. IIRC, the Sec of State and Sec of Defense gave orders to the Military to run any orders from Nixon through them prior to executing them.
That bit about the Nixon staff not following orders form Nixon is quite true, and it was due to the fact that Nixon was often drunk during the last few months of the Watergate crisis.

And for all of the various Trump faults, at least Trump is not a drunk. So when Trump screws up, it is a screw up that is made by a person who is sober.
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That bit about the Nixon staff not following orders form Nixon is quite true, and it was due to the fact that Nixon was often drunk during the last few months of the Watergate crisis.

And for all of the various Trump faults, at least Trump is not a drunk. So when Trump screws up, it is a screw up that is made by a person who is sober.
This is, in fact, the norm for presidents.
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That bit about the Nixon staff not following orders form Nixon is quite true, and it was due to the fact that Nixon was often drunk during the last few months of the Watergate crisis.

And for all of the various Trump faults, at least Trump is not a drunk. So when Trump screws up, it is a screw up that is made by a person who is sober.
Admittedly the coup against trump by his staff refusing to follow his orders is also exactly why republicans claim he didn't obstruct justice, I mean sure he tried but they didn't carryout his orders so it doesn't count.

So that kind of coup is good when done against republican leaders so say republicans.
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Admittedly the coup against trump by his staff refusing to follow his orders is also exactly why republicans claim he didn't obstruct justice, I mean sure he tried but they didn't carryout his orders so it doesn't count.

So that kind of coup is good when done against republican leaders so say republicans.
Fortunately in the US its generally regarded as a good thing for bureaucrats to not follow illegal orders. That can't generally be called a coup if they tell there boss why they aren't going to do it and his response is basically, ok then.
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Codes can be changed, I'm sure. If he skidaddles to Russia Pence would become president pretty quickly, I think.
He's not going to Russia. He will do as much damage as he can in his final weeks, then slink back to Trump Tower.
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What's scary about it? Good riddance, so long as he doesn't leave with secrets.
What do you think the goodies in the briefcase were?

That plus poisoning the political climate in the US for another decade should be scary.

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A majority of republicans supported it last year before the push for it after all.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ion/555769001/
That poll was about postponing the election until some theoretical voting immigrants could be purged from the rolls, not a fake "couldn't president because of mueller probe" problem.
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He's not going to Russia. He will do as much damage as he can in his final weeks, then slink back to Trump Tower.
Unfortunately for him Trump Tower is not immune to the law the way the White House seems to be.

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What do you think the goodies in the briefcase were?
That's why I answered the way I did.
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He will do as much damage as he can in his final weeks
Want to bet?

I see a lot of big talk about how much damage Trump is going to do, or is already doing, but when I look at what he's actually done, it's still well within the mainstream of what presidents do generally, and nowhere near the limits of how much damage a President can do if they set their minds to it.

I bet that in his final weeks, he'll stay true to form, and do far less damage than he could, before leaving leaving office.
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I bet that in his final weeks, he'll stay true to form, and do far less damage than he could, before leaving leaving office.
Ooh, that's like a double-negative, secret meaning!
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As a memento, his underlings might steal the "T" keys off all of the white house keyboards. Or, if the CT forum is to be believed, the Q keys.
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