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Old 9th May 2019, 08:19 PM   #321
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The next occupant of the White House should definitely replace all mattresses.
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Old 9th May 2019, 08:23 PM   #322
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"Will Trump allow a transfer of silverware?"

This is the absolute state of the anti-trumpists.
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Old 9th May 2019, 08:40 PM   #323
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
Reread what he said; I really don't see how you can honestly get that from what he wrote. Looks to me like he was dismissing that point of view.
The comments a few back were about enlisted soldiers largely coming from rural areas, likely to be home to Trump supporters, and I asked whether they might face divided loyalties. Somebody else somehow turned that into "evil and stupid." I didn't say anything like that.
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The next occupant of the White House should definitely replace all mattresses.
Ok, credit where credit is due, that was funny.
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Old 9th May 2019, 09:20 PM   #325
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
"Will Trump allow a transfer of silverware?"

This is the absolute state of the anti-trumpists.
LOL! So you're incapable of recognizing jokes, too.

All I can do is shake my head.
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Old 9th May 2019, 09:53 PM   #326
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The Mueller report explicitly states Cohen never went to Prague. You were wrong. You promoted a falsehood, not me
Some of his phones did.
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Old 9th May 2019, 09:54 PM   #327
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
"Will Trump allow a transfer of silverware?"

This is the absolute state of the anti-trumpists.
Surely, that was a joke.

Many Trump defenders ignore the implications of Trump's jokes. Why take a clearly facetious question literally?
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Old 9th May 2019, 10:29 PM   #328
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None of that fits with his pathologic narcissism. He is incapable of believing he'd be convicted.
Maybe, but he is fully capable of believing the Democrats are out to get him and they will abuse their power however they can in order to punish him personally for all the good things he's done.

He might consider turning over a briefcase full of sensitive materials to Russia a heroic act in the struggle against the evil DNC. He's unhinged enough, that's for sure.

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Old 9th May 2019, 10:43 PM   #329
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This thread just had to stretch nine pages.
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Old 9th May 2019, 10:55 PM   #330
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
The Mueller report explicitly states Cohen never went to Prague. You were wrong. You promoted a falsehood, not me
You have a short memory or you didn't read what I said:
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Two things have yet to be confirmed, the Prague trip and the pee tape,
IOW only those two things have not been corroborated. I did not say it will or won't be confirmed, I said it was yet to be.

McClatchy: Mueller report states Cohen was not in Prague. It is silent on whether a Cohen device pinged there

That sounds like "yet to be confirmed" to me.

It is not I spreading falsehoods.
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Old 10th May 2019, 02:21 AM   #331
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It is not I spreading falsehoods.
That much is clear to anyone reading these posts honestly.

Zig is spreading Trumpist propaganda.
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Old 10th May 2019, 03:00 AM   #332
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
"Will Trump allow a transfer of silverware?"

This is the absolute state of the anti-trumpists.
No way, my joke comparing Caligula to Trump because of a mutual interest in incest is way...way worse than that.
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Old 10th May 2019, 03:28 AM   #333
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
"Will Trump allow a transfer of silverware?"

This is the absolute state of the anti-trumpists.
It can get even more deranged......and will
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It can get even more deranged......and will
You mean that, in addition to jokes and patterns, Trump apologists will no longer even be able to understand Basic English??
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Old 10th May 2019, 04:34 AM   #335
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
You have a short memory or you didn't read what I said:IOW only those two things have not been corroborated. I did not say it will or won't be confirmed, I said it was yet to be.

McClatchy: Mueller report states Cohen was not in Prague. It is silent on whether a Cohen device pinged there

That sounds like "yet to be confirmed" to me.

It is not I spreading falsehoods.
Mueller said the claim is false. That sounds to you like ďyet to be confirmedĒ? Wow, thatís perhaps the dumbest take here.

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That much is clear to anyone reading these posts honestly.

Zig is spreading Trumpist propaganda.
Muellerís report is Trumpist propaganda. Looks like SG has a rival for dumbest take.
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Old 10th May 2019, 04:36 AM   #336
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This thread just had to stretch nine pages.
This thread will stretch till 2024. And then, when Trump leaves office in the ordinary manner, the chicken littles will convince themselves that he only did so because their freak out prevented him from holding on longer.
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Old 10th May 2019, 06:56 AM   #337
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Surely, that was a joke.

Many Trump defenders ignore the implications of Trump's jokes. Why take a clearly facetious question literally?
Surely what was a joke?
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Old 10th May 2019, 08:48 AM   #338
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
This thread will stretch till 2024. And then, when Trump leaves office in the ordinary manner, the chicken littles will convince themselves that he only did so because their freak out prevented him from holding on longer.
This or they will act as though they never said anything about is refusing to leave.
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Old 10th May 2019, 08:51 AM   #339
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"Will Trump allow a transfer of silverware?"
Reminds me of the movie "Sleeper" with Woody Allen. The main character has been frozen a few hundred years and after being woken he is shown lots of pictures. I believe one is a picture of Richard Nixon he identifies it by saying something like when Nixon left the whitehouse, the secret service used to count the silverware.
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Old 10th May 2019, 08:52 AM   #340
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Do you think "rural" means "evil and stupid?" I don't. But it does likely mean a different worldview from someone who grew up in the cities and suburbs.

The fact is that U.S. military service is entirely voluntary and has been since 1973. It would follow that people choosing that particular course have characteristics in common with each other that they might not have with others who choose different paths. I would bet that, say, civil engineers might have more in common with each other than they have with, say, kindergarten teachers or gardeners. The difference is that the military is entrusted with unique responsibilities, so what motivates military members is of interest to everyone.

And here's something that says that, at least during the Iraq War, a disproportionate percentage of recruits came from depressed rural areas. There's not much reason to think that would have changed.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110302528.html
https://livinghistoryfarm.org/farmin...s/life_07.html
No, but the implication that they would therefore support an outgoing president in is attempt to overturn the Constitution in clear violation of their oaths, would imply evil and or stupid.
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That much is clear to anyone reading these posts honestly.

Zig is spreading Trumpist propaganda.
I believe I read these posts honestly and I do not get that at all.

To me this is an example of our bias affecting how we interpret things.
Of course I feel your bias is skewing your interpretation more than mine does.
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Old 10th May 2019, 03:41 PM   #342
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Surely what was a joke?
Surely this was a joke:

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I picture the family stealing the silverware.
Do you not know how smileys work?

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Old 10th May 2019, 03:57 PM   #343
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
Surely this was a joke:



Do you not know how smileys work?

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Ah. Thanks! I thought it was saying my post was a joke. Which confused me because of course it was a joke.
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Old 10th May 2019, 04:14 PM   #344
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Mueller’s report is Trumpist propaganda. Looks like SG has a rival for dumbest take.
It was pointed out specifically how you distorted what did come from Mueller's report. I see you've moved on to denial that ever occurred.

Mueller may or may not have said Cohen didn't go to Prague. It still leaves the phone ping therefore the Prague report remains uncertain.
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Old 10th May 2019, 04:14 PM   #345
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Ah. Thanks! I thought it was saying my post was a joke. Which confused me because of course it was a joke.
There's nothing to indicate your post was a joke. You know, like tone or a smiley or something. Looks like you're using the old Trump excuse of saying "Come on, it was just a joke" whenever something you say doesn't go well for you.

"This is the absolute state of the anti-trumpists."

This is what you said. What element of that sentence constitutes "joke"?

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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Surely what was a joke?
The bit about Trump stealing silverware, obviously.
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Ah. Thanks! I thought it was saying my post was a joke. Which confused me because of course it was a joke.
The fault is partly mine. You put a question about Trump stealing silverware in quotes, so I thought you were literally quoting someone there.

But my point stands. People are making jokes about Trump stealing silverware. These jokes are not indicative of the beliefs of those concerned about Trump. If you don't take Trump seriously when he asks Russia to find Hillary's emails and aren't concerned about that comment, say, then you shouldn't worry about jokes about Trump either.

NOTE: I don't know for a fact what your opinion regarding the many Trump utterances that people have dismissed as mere funnin'. If you think those things are a concern, whether serious or not, then the consequent of the above hypothetical does not apply to you.
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There's nothing to indicate your post was a joke. You know, like tone or a smiley or something. Looks like you're using the old Trump excuse of saying "Come on, it was just a joke" whenever something you say doesn't go well for you.

"This is the absolute state of the anti-trumpists."

This is what you said. What element of that sentence constitutes "joke"?
Not everyone here uses hyperbole to express deadly seriousness.
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Not everyone here uses hyperbole to express deadly seriousness.
Sure, whatever you say, bro. I can only respond to what you write, not what you're thinking.
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It was pointed out specifically how you distorted what did come from Mueller's report. I see you've moved on to denial that ever occurred.

Mueller may or may not have said Cohen didn't go to Prague.
There is no "may or may not" about it. I quoted from the report, he specifically said Cohen didn't go to Prague. That's you, not me, distorting the Mueller report.

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It still leaves the phone ping therefore the Prague report remains uncertain.
The Mueller report makes no mention of the phone ping. The very existence of such a phone ping itself is unconfirmed. And unless you think Cohen managed to sneak out of the country and then back in without Customs noting his exit and entry (again, do you even know how international travel works?), then Cohen cannot have gone to Prague, regardless of what his phone did or did not do.
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Zig, maybe you forget the 16 phones seized from Cohen in the raid.
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The Mueller report makes no mention of the phone ping. The very existence of such a phone ping itself is unconfirmed. And unless you think Cohen managed to sneak out of the country and then back in without Customs noting his exit and entry (again, do you even know how international travel works?), then Cohen cannot have gone to Prague, regardless of what his phone did or did not do.

Do you? I don't know anything about Cohen's travels. But the Czech Republic is part of the European Union. Travelers within the EU don't pass through border controls. If Cohen was anywhere in Europe, he could have traveled to Prague without any official record. Was he in Berlin? Amsterdam? Vienna? Even Paris? Easy drives or train rides to Prague if he wanted to travel under the radar.
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There is no "may or may not" about it. I quoted from the report, he specifically said Cohen didn't go to Prague. That's you, not me, distorting the Mueller report.



The Mueller report makes no mention of the phone ping. The very existence of such a phone ping itself is unconfirmed. And unless you think Cohen managed to sneak out of the country and then back in without Customs noting his exit and entry (again, do you even know how international travel works?), then Cohen cannot have gone to Prague, regardless of what his phone did or did not do.
You act like we have the un-redacted report. "silent on the phone ping" is not the same as clearing the mystery up. Of course Barr would redact anything about the phone ping.

But it doesn't matter. This whole thing is you trying to distract from the reliability of the Steele dossier.

I said the pee tape and meeting in Prague are not verified. You keep trying to argue about something I said was uncertain.

Bottom line, a lot of the dossier has been validated. And the source of the dossier was clearly in the FISA warrant application.

So, FISA warrant was above board. Moving on from your attempt to sidetrack the discussion, there is no evidence of any deep state out to get Trump. I wish there had been.
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The Mueller report does mention people being concerned about "tapes" becoming public.
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You have a short memory or you didn't read what I said:IOW only those two things have not been corroborated. I did not say it will or won't be confirmed, I said it was yet to be.

McClatchy: Mueller report states Cohen was not in Prague. It is silent on whether a Cohen device pinged there
So Cohen's cellphone could have gone to Prague without him?
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So Cohen's cellphone could have gone to Prague without him?
First, stop acting like I said Cohen went to Prague. I very specifically said that entry in the dossier was uncertain.

Second, you have a heavily redacted report that doesn't say one way or the other what the phone ping was about.

That's it, end of this little slice of the story.

You and Zig continue arguing this straw man. Why? because it's a way of dodging the relevant facts.
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So Cohen's cellphone could have gone to Prague without him?
one of his 16 ?
yes, absolutely.
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So Cohen's cellphone could have gone to Prague without him?
My cellphone went to Prague and all I got was this lousy indictment.
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That much is clear to anyone reading these posts honestly.

Zig is spreading Trumpist propaganda.
Must. Save. Robbiní.
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Another vote that with regard to the OP question: it doesn't matter. It will happen. The President's flunkies are reported to be blatantly insubordinate. It would just be a question of him going out in cufflinks or in cuffs.
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