Conspiracy Theory? US civil war if Trump loses election but won't relinquish power? - Page 3

Dave Rogers · 24th September 2020, 03:28 AM

Of course, someone could just ask Trump himself whether he will commit to a peaceful transfer of power should he lose the election. Surely he'll say that it's obvious that he consents to be bound by the Constitution of the United States of America.

Oh, wait...

Dave

The Great Zaganza · 24th September 2020, 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by Hans

One item against the idea is that Trump himself is a coward. He would be willing to risk killing off millions of Americans but he would not risk his own life and fortune. He would of course enjoy immediately starting his re-election campaign for 2024.

sure, but he has already drained his campaign funds for lawsuits - lawsuits that will continue after Jan 2021. That is why he is unloading cases on to the DOJ, something he won't be able to do if he loses.
He won't do rallies anymore, because he can't get taxpayers to pay for them.

No, for Trump there is no difference between losing and ruin.

Dr. Keith · 24th September 2020, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

sure, but he has already drained his campaign funds for lawsuits - lawsuits that will continue after Jan 2021. That is why he is unloading cases on to the DOJ, something he won't be able to do if he loses.
He won't do rallies anymore, because he can't get taxpayers to pay for them.

No, for Trump there is no difference between losing and ruin.

When he isn't president he can charge for the rallies. He may become the best selling touring artist of the post-pandemic era. Ted Nugent will be killing to open up for him.

Craig4 · 26th September 2020, 06:17 AM

What most of these people talking about joining militias and coming to DC don't understand is that the police are different here. Where you see them operating freely and "patrolling" around protests are places where open carry is legal and the police tolerate them. The police in DC will shoot them.

If Tons of Fun with his knock of AR-15 kitted out in a cool guy rig tries to have his little armed protest in DC or the DC suburbs, his brains are going to be wall art.

Naval Diplomat · 5th October 2020, 07:25 AM

He might not have to step down if COVID has its way...

Ranb · 5th October 2020, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Naval Diplomat

He might not have to step down if COVID has its way...

How would that work? If there is no election in November or Trump loses, he is no longer president in January 2021 under any circumstances. The person next in succession becomes president. This would be one of the Senators as the entire House would have to be appointed by the state governors.

Ranb

ponderingturtle · 5th October 2020, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Ranb

How would that work? If there is no election in November or Trump loses, he is no longer president in January 2021 under any circumstances. The person next in succession becomes president. This would be one of the Senators as the entire House would have to be appointed by the state governors.

Ranb

The idea is the Pence would be the one stepping down or refusing to do so.

Orphia Nay · 5th October 2020, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Naval Diplomat

He might not have to step down if COVID has its way...

Originally Posted by Ranb

How would that work? If there is no election in November or Trump loses, he is no longer president in January 2021 under any circumstances. The person next in succession becomes president. This would be one of the Senators as the entire House would have to be appointed by the state governors.

Ranb

theprestige · 5th October 2020, 07:36 PM

All hat and no cattle, I guess.

Orphia Nay · 14th November 2020, 12:39 AM

I still haven't seen any actual quotes from Trump saying he means to hold power by means of physical force.

Craig4 · 15th November 2020, 05:12 PM

And you won't. He'll say something like, "Maybe the 2nd Amendment people will have something to say about this." He won't call for violence but he will wonder aloud if someone will rid him of this troublesome priest.

Hans · 15th November 2020, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

And you won't. He'll say something like, "Maybe the 2nd Amendment people will have something to say about this." He won't call for violence but he will wonder aloud if someone will rid him of this troublesome priest.

Yes and out there are the American equivalent of Reginald FitzUrse, Hugh de Morville, William de Tracy and Richard le Breton

Four far right wingers Regi, Hugh, Bill and Rich might feel they need to do what he is suggesting.

dudalb · 15th November 2020, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

When he isn't president he can charge for the rallies. He may become the best selling touring artist of the post-pandemic era. Ted Nugent will be killing to open up for him.

The main reason he will keep the movement going is so he can find ways to milk the suckers for every cent he can.
And his followers will eat it up.
Ben Franklin said it best: "A Fool and HIs Money Are Soon Parted."

eerok · 16th November 2020, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

The main reason he will keep the movement going is so he can find ways to milk the suckers for every cent he can.
And his followers will eat it up.
Ben Franklin said it best: "A Fool and HIs Money Are Soon Parted."

Also Trump has tasted power, and his ego leads him to believe that it's his right to keep it, regardless of what is real. He wants to show everyone how powerful and important he is by making them afraid of what he can do.

It's also about money for sure, but I think power is the real drug.

Lucky for us, he's an idiot incapable of following a plan.

Trebuchet · 11th December 2020, 05:55 PM

Bump! Because it's looking more and more likely!

Horatius · 11th December 2020, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Bump! Because it's looking more and more likely!

Come now, there's no way any sensible person could say something like, “Perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by the constitution.”

Babbylonian · 12th December 2020, 03:33 AM

The Founding Fathers never intended the Constitution to be followed if conservatives were unhappy with the results of an election.

The Great Zaganza · 12th December 2020, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

The Founding Fathers never intended the Constitution to be followed if conservatives were unhappy with the results of an election.

Face it - the Constitution has failed Republicans.

Axxman300 · 12th December 2020, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Face it - the Constitution has failed Republicans.

Other way around.

The Great Zaganza · 12th December 2020, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Axxman300

Other way around.

communist!

Hercules56 · 12th December 2020, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Face it - the Constitution has failed Republicans.

I really hope a very small percentage of Republicans agree with this.

They have been yelling about States' rights for decades and the SCOTUS finally came down on the side of States' rights, with the help of three Democrats.

The funny thing is I am usually a proponent of national interests over states' rights, but in this unusual case I'm a nope, as no harm was actually done. Plus the case was just too ******* late as they had many months to complain to the courts about the changes PA made. They only sued cause their boy lost.

dudalb · 12th December 2020, 12:07 PM

Question will come done to how good a military could the Trumpers raise. Not a very good one, IMHO.

dudalb · 12th December 2020, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

I really hope a very small percentage of Republicans agree with this.

They have been yelling about States' rights for decades and the SCOTUS finally came down on the side of States' rights, with the help of three Democrats.

The funny thing is I am usually a proponent of national interests over states' rights, but in this unusual case I'm a nope, as no harm was actually done. Plus the case was just too ******* late as they had many months to complain to the courts about the changes PA made. They only sued cause their boy lost.

Questin is how many of the Trumpers preaching Civil war really mean it, or are just blowhards.
I supsect 95% are just blowhards. The other 5% though can do some real damage though they casnnot win.

Hercules56 · 12th December 2020, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Questin is how many of the Trumpers preaching Civil war really mean it, or are just blowhards.
I supsect 95% are just blowhards. The other 5% though can do some real damage though they casnnot win.

The Arizona GOP asked its Twitter followers if they to are willing to die for Trump.

dudalb · 12th December 2020, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

The Arizona GOP asked its Twitter followers if they to are willing to die for Trump.

I put that in the Blowhard category.

varwoche · 13th December 2020, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by eerok

Also Trump has tasted power, and his ego leads him to believe that it's his right to keep it, regardless of what is real. He wants to show everyone how powerful and important he is by making them afraid of what he can do.

It's also about money for sure, but I think power is the real drug.

Lucky for us, he's an idiot incapable of following a plan.

Also, don't forget that he's cowardly through and through. He's all about egging on others, not putting himself at risk. The odds of him trying to remain in the white house are nil.

Craig4 · 13th December 2020, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by varwoche

Also, don't forget that he's cowardly through and through. He's all about egging on others, not putting himself at risk. The odds of him trying to remain in the white house are nil.

Mara Lago will be the White House for the president in exile.

Axxman300 · 14th December 2020, 11:31 AM

Most folks threatening civil war will fold as soon as it's time to do civil war stuff.

Bullets fly in both directions. How loyal are your neighbors to your cause? While you're out overthrowing the government your neighbors will be clearing out your house of valuables and burning it to the ground.Where are you going to get gasoline from if the oil companies side with the opposition? What about ammo? The gun manufacturers might be sympathetic but transportation will be a problem. How will you get more bullets?

I love B-52s and A-10s because they are USAF. If I was on the other side of things I don't think I'd be too thrilled to see them heading in my direction.

The big question none of the lame-oids spouting off about civil war never ask is: what if you lose?

Right now Trump lost the election by a slim margin, but the GOP actually PICKED UP SEATS IN CONGRESS, and still might win in Georgia. The adult thing to do is secure your voting base for 2022 and 2024. Technically the GOP isn't in bad shape, if the party had competent leadership they would be quashing all of the cry-baby nonsense and looking forward with optimism because it won't be long until the Democrats and Biden ignite another hot-button issue which will drive conservatives to the polls like the ACA did.

You can't fix stupid with more stupid.

24th September 2020, 03:28 AM	#81
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 32,352	Of course, someone could just ask Trump himself whether he will commit to a peaceful transfer of power should he lose the election. Surely he'll say that it's obvious that he consents to be bound by the Constitution of the United States of America. Oh, wait... Dave
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24th September 2020, 04:08 AM	#82
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,607	Originally Posted by Hans One item against the idea is that Trump himself is a coward. He would be willing to risk killing off millions of Americans but he would not risk his own life and fortune. He would of course enjoy immediately starting his re-election campaign for 2024. sure, but he has already drained his campaign funds for lawsuits - lawsuits that will continue after Jan 2021. That is why he is unloading cases on to the DOJ, something he won't be able to do if he loses. He won't do rallies anymore, because he can't get taxpayers to pay for them. No, for Trump there is no difference between losing and ruin.
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24th September 2020, 03:05 PM	#83
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,399	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza sure, but he has already drained his campaign funds for lawsuits - lawsuits that will continue after Jan 2021. That is why he is unloading cases on to the DOJ, something he won't be able to do if he loses. He won't do rallies anymore, because he can't get taxpayers to pay for them. No, for Trump there is no difference between losing and ruin. When he isn't president he can charge for the rallies. He may become the best selling touring artist of the post-pandemic era. Ted Nugent will be killing to open up for him.
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5th October 2020, 11:37 AM	#87
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,396	Originally Posted by Ranb How would that work? If there is no election in November or Trump loses, he is no longer president in January 2021 under any circumstances. The person next in succession becomes president. This would be one of the Senators as the entire House would have to be appointed by the state governors. Ranb The idea is the Pence would be the one stepping down or refusing to do so.
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5th October 2020, 07:32 PM	#88
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 38,712	Originally Posted by Naval Diplomat He might not have to step down if COVID has its way... Originally Posted by Ranb How would that work? If there is no election in November or Trump loses, he is no longer president in January 2021 under any circumstances. The person next in succession becomes president. This would be one of the Senators as the entire House would have to be appointed by the state governors. Ranb
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26th September 2020, 06:17 AM	#84
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,527	What most of these people talking about joining militias and coming to DC don't understand is that the police are different here. Where you see them operating freely and "patrolling" around protests are places where open carry is legal and the police tolerate them. The police in DC will shoot them. If Tons of Fun with his knock of AR-15 kitted out in a cool guy rig tries to have his little armed protest in DC or the DC suburbs, his brains are going to be wall art.

5th October 2020, 07:25 AM	#85
Naval Diplomat Student Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: United States Posts: 26	He might not have to step down if COVID has its way...

5th October 2020, 11:19 AM	#86
Ranb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA USA Posts: 10,261	Originally Posted by Naval Diplomat He might not have to step down if COVID has its way... How would that work? If there is no election in November or Trump loses, he is no longer president in January 2021 under any circumstances. The person next in succession becomes president. This would be one of the Senators as the entire House would have to be appointed by the state governors. Ranb

5th October 2020, 07:36 PM	#89
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 49,500	All hat and no cattle, I guess.

14th November 2020, 12:39 AM	#90
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 38,712	I still haven't seen any actual quotes from Trump saying he means to hold power by means of physical force.
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15th November 2020, 05:12 PM	#91
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,527	And you won't. He'll say something like, "Maybe the 2nd Amendment people will have something to say about this." He won't call for violence but he will wonder aloud if someone will rid him of this troublesome priest.

15th November 2020, 08:24 PM	#92
Hans Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,454	Originally Posted by Craig4 And you won't. He'll say something like, "Maybe the 2nd Amendment people will have something to say about this." He won't call for violence but he will wonder aloud if someone will rid him of this troublesome priest. Yes and out there are the American equivalent of Reginald FitzUrse, Hugh de Morville, William de Tracy and Richard le Breton Four far right wingers Regi, Hugh, Bill and Rich might feel they need to do what he is suggesting.
Hans Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,454

15th November 2020, 08:27 PM	#93
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith When he isn't president he can charge for the rallies. He may become the best selling touring artist of the post-pandemic era. Ted Nugent will be killing to open up for him. The main reason he will keep the movement going is so he can find ways to milk the suckers for every cent he can. And his followers will eat it up. Ben Franklin said it best: "A Fool and HIs Money Are Soon Parted."
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16th November 2020, 06:32 AM	#94
eerok Quixoticist Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ON Canada Posts: 3,566	Originally Posted by dudalb The main reason he will keep the movement going is so he can find ways to milk the suckers for every cent he can. And his followers will eat it up. Ben Franklin said it best: "A Fool and HIs Money Are Soon Parted." Also Trump has tasted power, and his ego leads him to believe that it's his right to keep it, regardless of what is real. He wants to show everyone how powerful and important he is by making them afraid of what he can do. It's also about money for sure, but I think power is the real drug. Lucky for us, he's an idiot incapable of following a plan.
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11th December 2020, 05:55 PM	#95
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11th December 2020, 06:23 PM	#96
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12th December 2020, 03:33 AM	#97
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,476	The Founding Fathers never intended the Constitution to be followed if conservatives were unhappy with the results of an election.

12th December 2020, 04:45 AM	#98
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,607	Originally Posted by Babbylonian The Founding Fathers never intended the Constitution to be followed if conservatives were unhappy with the results of an election. Face it - the Constitution has failed Republicans.
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12th December 2020, 11:22 AM	#99
Axxman300 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Central California Coast Posts: 4,884	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Face it - the Constitution has failed Republicans. Other way around.
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12th December 2020, 11:25 AM	#100
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,607	Originally Posted by Axxman300 Other way around. communist!
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12th December 2020, 11:31 AM	#101
Hercules56 Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,020	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Face it - the Constitution has failed Republicans. I really hope a very small percentage of Republicans agree with this. They have been yelling about States' rights for decades and the SCOTUS finally came down on the side of States' rights, with the help of three Democrats. The funny thing is I am usually a proponent of national interests over states' rights, but in this unusual case I'm a nope, as no harm was actually done. Plus the case was just too ******* late as they had many months to complain to the courts about the changes PA made. They only sued cause their boy lost.
	Last edited by Hercules56; 12th December 2020 at 11:33 AM.

12th December 2020, 12:07 PM	#102
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Question will come done to how good a military could the Trumpers raise. Not a very good one, IMHO.
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12th December 2020, 12:09 PM	#103
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Originally Posted by Hercules56 I really hope a very small percentage of Republicans agree with this. They have been yelling about States' rights for decades and the SCOTUS finally came down on the side of States' rights, with the help of three Democrats. The funny thing is I am usually a proponent of national interests over states' rights, but in this unusual case I'm a nope, as no harm was actually done. Plus the case was just too ******* late as they had many months to complain to the courts about the changes PA made. They only sued cause their boy lost. Questin is how many of the Trumpers preaching Civil war really mean it, or are just blowhards. I supsect 95% are just blowhards. The other 5% though can do some real damage though they casnnot win.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

12th December 2020, 12:11 PM	#104
Hercules56 Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,020	Originally Posted by dudalb Questin is how many of the Trumpers preaching Civil war really mean it, or are just blowhards. I supsect 95% are just blowhards. The other 5% though can do some real damage though they casnnot win. The Arizona GOP asked its Twitter followers if they to are willing to die for Trump.

12th December 2020, 01:14 PM	#105
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Originally Posted by Hercules56 The Arizona GOP asked its Twitter followers if they to are willing to die for Trump. I put that in the Blowhard category.
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13th December 2020, 07:28 AM	#106
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 15,400	Originally Posted by eerok Also Trump has tasted power, and his ego leads him to believe that it's his right to keep it, regardless of what is real. He wants to show everyone how powerful and important he is by making them afraid of what he can do. It's also about money for sure, but I think power is the real drug. Lucky for us, he's an idiot incapable of following a plan. Also, don't forget that he's cowardly through and through. He's all about egging on others, not putting himself at risk. The odds of him trying to remain in the white house are nil.
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13th December 2020, 08:48 AM	#107
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,527	Originally Posted by varwoche Also, don't forget that he's cowardly through and through. He's all about egging on others, not putting himself at risk. The odds of him trying to remain in the white house are nil. Mara Lago will be the White House for the president in exile.

14th December 2020, 11:31 AM	#108
Axxman300 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Central California Coast Posts: 4,884	Most folks threatening civil war will fold as soon as it's time to do civil war stuff. Bullets fly in both directions. How loyal are your neighbors to your cause? While you're out overthrowing the government your neighbors will be clearing out your house of valuables and burning it to the ground.Where are you going to get gasoline from if the oil companies side with the opposition? What about ammo? The gun manufacturers might be sympathetic but transportation will be a problem. How will you get more bullets? I love B-52s and A-10s because they are USAF. If I was on the other side of things I don't think I'd be too thrilled to see them heading in my direction. The big question none of the lame-oids spouting off about civil war never ask is: what if you lose? Right now Trump lost the election by a slim margin, but the GOP actually PICKED UP SEATS IN CONGRESS, and still might win in Georgia. The adult thing to do is secure your voting base for 2022 and 2024. Technically the GOP isn't in bad shape, if the party had competent leadership they would be quashing all of the cry-baby nonsense and looking forward with optimism because it won't be long until the Democrats and Biden ignite another hot-button issue which will drive conservatives to the polls like the ACA did. You can't fix stupid with more stupid.
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