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Old 22nd January 2021, 10:47 AM   #2641
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My wife played his monologue from last night while I was exercising. Tolkien indeed showed up!
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Old 22nd January 2021, 12:02 PM   #2642
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
So, is it your supposition that military and former military are less likely to have been equally represented among those who were not charged? Is that an assertion to support the military? Have you thought that through?
No, I never said anything close to that. I was correcting an obvious error in the summation that the Poster gave about the article.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 12:56 PM   #2643
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
What I think I like most about this is the statement in the footnote that "The rightful King of Gondor had abandoned the throne." Not only did they cite Tolkein as a legal precedent, they got the precedent wrong.

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OTOH Aragorn's ancestors, being the descendants of the first King of Gondor's brother, had a legitimate claim to the throne for centuries after the last King died and chose not to pursue it. So it's sort of true.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 02:33 PM   #2644
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Originally Posted by Wudang View Post
Another emergency lawsuit requesting the US governement be placed in "stewardship" citing as legal precedent <checks notes> Lord Of The Rings.


https://twitter.com/questauthority/s...27169109762048
You know, there's this webcomic I read called PvP, and there's a minor character named Oliver Smoot. A complete parody of a lawyer, and I always thought no real lawyer could be that stupid.

The past three months have been an incredible eye opener.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 02:37 PM   #2645
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Originally Posted by No Other View Post
No, I never said anything close to that. I was correcting an obvious error in the summation that the Poster gave about the article.
So as presumably those in who accessed the Capitol building were the most serious about seditioning, we can say that folk with a military history are overrepresented when looking at the more serious population?

The ones outside, we do not know.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 02:57 PM   #2646
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Originally Posted by rdaneel View Post
You know, there's this webcomic I read called PvP, and there's a minor character named Oliver Smoot. A complete parody of a lawyer, and I always thought no real lawyer could be that stupid.

The past three months have been an incredible eye opener.
Pvp is still going?
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Old 22nd January 2021, 05:22 PM   #2647
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Today's dimwit traitor first made a national ass of himself for defying covid restrictions:

https://finance.yahoo.com/finance/ne...215227602.html

And today he's looking at a serious timeout:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1359221/download

Just keeps getting better and better. Go feds!
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Old 22nd January 2021, 05:30 PM   #2648
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Originally Posted by Cavemonster View Post
Pvp is still going?
Yep, he did a reboot last May, jumped it forward a little over a decade and made Brent's daughter Katie the central character.

http://pvponline.com/comic
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Old 22nd January 2021, 09:26 PM   #2649
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You can't make this stuff up.

Dr. Simone Gold, one of the "America's Front Line Doctors" of HCQ "fame" was one of the Capitol stormers and was arrested shortly after giving this speech:

https://www.facebook.com/Covid19trut...n=1&glossary=1

Interesting mix of a few facts, a lot of distortions, and some outright drivel. It was, however, delivered with passion to an audience that wants to believe her.

Gold, who founded America’s Frontline Doctors last spring with help from the Tea Party Patriots organization, was arrested on Monday in Beverly Hills, where she lives, and faces charges of entering a restricted building, violent entry and disorderly conduct.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ntline-doctors

“She and her organization show a wilful ignorance of science and the scientific method, as well as a disrespect for accomplished scientific institutions and brilliant scientists,” said Dr Jeffrey Koplan, an epidemiologist and vice president for Global Health at Emory University who used to head the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
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Old 23rd January 2021, 12:20 AM   #2650
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You can't make this stuff up.

Dr. Simone Gold, one of the "America's Front Line Doctors" of HCQ "fame" was one of the Capitol stormers and was arrested shortly after giving this speech:

https://www.facebook.com/Covid19trut...n=1&glossary=1

Interesting mix of a few facts, a lot of distortions, and some outright drivel. It was, however, delivered with passion to an audience that wants to believe her.

Gold, who founded America’s Frontline Doctors last spring with help from the Tea Party Patriots organization, was arrested on Monday in Beverly Hills, where she lives, and faces charges of entering a restricted building, violent entry and disorderly conduct.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ntline-doctors

“She and her organization show a wilful ignorance of science and the scientific method, as well as a disrespect for accomplished scientific institutions and brilliant scientists,” said Dr Jeffrey Koplan, an epidemiologist and vice president for Global Health at Emory University who used to head the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Simone Gold, MD, JD

Another one of these people who you wonder how they possibly got their degrees.
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Old 23rd January 2021, 12:48 AM   #2651
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Simone Gold, MD, JD

Another one of these people who you wonder how they possibly got their degrees.
A friend of mine is a full professor at the local university. What he hates most in his job are dumb, hard-working grad students. Smart, hard-working ones go on to do great things, smart lazy ones generally do ok but the wasted potential is a shame. Dumb and lazy ones just disappear eventually without csusing trouble, but the dumb hard-working ones cause a huge amount of work that you know will not lead anywhere.

So maybe they just gave the degrees to get rid of her.
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Old 23rd January 2021, 03:02 AM   #2652
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There's a meme going around which, loosely paraphrased, reads: "Trump didn't pardon a single Trump supporter who invaded the Capitol. He did pardon Steve Bannon, who stole money from Trump supporters. Do you get it now?"
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Old 23rd January 2021, 06:15 AM   #2653
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Originally Posted by timhau View Post
A friend of mine is a full professor at the local university. What he hates most in his job are dumb, hard-working grad students. Smart, hard-working ones go on to do great things, smart lazy ones generally do ok but the wasted potential is a shame. Dumb and lazy ones just disappear eventually without csusing trouble, but the dumb hard-working ones cause a huge amount of work that you know will not lead anywhere.

So maybe they just gave the degrees to get rid of her.
https://twitter.com/garius/status/11...421760512?s=20

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https://twitter.com/garius/status/11...474366978?s=20

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Anyway, there's not really a point to this thread. I just find it weirdly appropriate (given the time we live in) that the best description of Theresa May's leadership style is by Hammerstein, the FIRST General to spot the insidious rise of fascism, and what it would cost Germany

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Old 23rd January 2021, 01:53 PM   #2654
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And another one bites the dust...and another one's down and another one's down...and another one bites the dust!

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DOJ charges Texas man who participated in the Capitol attack -and posted online death threats against AOC & a US Capitol Police officer.

Garret Miller of Texas faces five criminal charges including trespassing & making death threats to "assassinate AOC". CNN
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Old 23rd January 2021, 02:29 PM   #2655
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They are still looking for 'Swedish Scarf Guy'!

https://twitter.com/SeditionHunters/...423307777?s=20


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Good Saturday afternoon #SeditionHunters, journalists & reporters. Please see this 5th FBI wanted poster w/ hashtag names used by OSINT investigators. These people are wanted for BOTH assault on federal officers & violence at the #CapitolRiots. Search the #name to learn more.
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Old 23rd January 2021, 02:39 PM   #2656
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
They are still looking for 'Swedish Scarf Guy'!

https://twitter.com/SeditionHunters/...423307777?s=20
Rather than the attached pics, a notice:

Attention: please report anyone looking like they crawled out from under a dumpster to your local FBI
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Old 23rd January 2021, 02:41 PM   #2657
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Meet Qanon nutjob Kevin Strong, an FAA employee from California who, among other things, believes Q is going to pay for his new truck. He has Q Clearance, after all.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1359586/download
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Surprising amount of female CHUDs present (and arrested) at the Capitol - Maybe a CHUD dating service is involved somehow. Take Thelma and Louise here -

https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1359596/download

And confirming what we all pretty much knew, seems there were recreational substances involved.

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Old 23rd January 2021, 03:14 PM   #2659
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Originally Posted by Wudang View Post
Another emergency lawsuit requesting the US governement be placed in "stewardship" citing as legal precedent <checks notes> Lord Of The Rings.


https://twitter.com/questauthority/s...27169109762048
Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
What I think I like most about this is the statement in the footnote that "The rightful King of Gondor had abandoned the throne." Not only did they cite Tolkein as a legal precedent, they got the precedent wrong.

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OTOH Aragorn's ancestors, being the descendants of the first King of Gondor's brother, had a legitimate claim to the throne for centuries after the last King died and chose not to pursue it. So it's sort of true.
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Old 23rd January 2021, 03:21 PM   #2660
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Does anybody know the current number of indictments?


Also, I saw this today:

Justice Department, FBI debate not charging some of the Capitol rioters

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The internal discussions are in their early stages, and no decisions have been reached about whether to forgo charging some of those who illegally entered the Capitol on Jan. 6, according to multiple people familiar with the discussions.
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Federal officials estimate that roughly 800 people surged into the building, though they caution that such numbers are imprecise, and the real figure could be 100 people or more in either direction.
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Due to the wide variety of behavior, some federal officials have argued internally that those people who are known only to have committed unlawful entry — and were not engaged in violent, threatening or destructive behavior — should not be charged, according to people familiar with the discussions.
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....charging people solely with unlawful entry, when they are not known to have committed any other bad acts, could lead to losses if they go to trial.

“If an old man says all he did was walk in and no one tried to stop him, and he walked out and no one tried to stop him, and that’s all we know about what he did, that’s a case we may not win,” one official said.
I don't want to quote too much - but there is also the suggestion of pre-trial diversion programs, which have been used for some cases of mentally ill people jumping White House fences. Also concerns regarding the capacity of the D.C. Federal Court system.

Last of course, is that part of the defense for all of them is that they were only doing what the President told them to do.


Personally, I can see the risk in over-charging people, especially if these go to jury trials. And I want to see them put real effort into the prosecutions of those who who were the worst - who fought with cops or were otherwise violent, who tore down barricades, smashed windows or otherwise vandalized. Even those who did none of that but loudly and vocally encouraged others.

But then I look at the failure to have much success prosecuting the participants of the Bunkerville and Malheur occupations, and I worry about the ability of the feds to actually get convictions - of anybody involved. I mean, the prosecution of the Bundy family and their cohorts was profoundly inept. If letting some of the less active participants go is the cost of actual effective prosecution of the more active participants, then I can get behind that.

I would love to see damn near everybody who entered the building get at least a misdemeanor, but I think that's probably not realistic in our human-perception based jury trials in our justice system.

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Meet Qanon nutjob Kevin Strong, an FAA employee from California who, among other things, believes Q is going to pay for his new truck. He has Q Clearance, after all.

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Rather than the attached pics, a notice:

Attention: please report anyone looking like they crawled out from under a dumpster to your local FBI
Probably a good idea to check that they haven't crawled back in too.
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IANAL but is it possible the states are holding off on Trump charges until after the impeachment trial because it might give Trump an excuse not to testify or maybe it could be used to delay or dismiss the Senate proceedings?
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I doubt it:
That's regular Q clearance. Not the Top Secret Q clearance no one is allowed to speak about.
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IANAL but is it possible the states are holding off on Trump charges until after the impeachment trial because it might give Trump an excuse not to testify or maybe it could be used to delay or dismiss the Senate proceedings?
That's probably a factor. If he is impeached it would be somewhat easier to arrest him and convict him on State charges.

They also probably want to wait for things to calm down and bit and for the FBI to arrest a lot of the bad guys at the riot and bust up the militant groups before they go hauling him off in cuffs, which could result in further violence.

They have also probably been holding off some parts of their investigations until he is out of office so that they can get statements from government officials without them being under pressure not to talk and so that they can get government documents without him blocking or stalling access to those documents.

They probably also want to coordinate their investigations with Federal officials in the DOJ and want to wait until the new Attorney General and other DOJ officials are in have a chance to get things sorted out.
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IANAL but is it possible the states are holding off on Trump charges until after the impeachment trial because it might give Trump an excuse not to testify or maybe it could be used to delay or dismiss the Senate proceedings?
It also takes quite a while to actually prepare criminal charges. NY authorities have been investigating Trump's businesses and taxes for years, but there's no indication that they are ready to file anything anytime soon. I don't know if it's realistic to think that Repub-controlled Georgia will press any election interference charges.
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No, I never said anything close to that. I was correcting an obvious error in the summation that the Poster gave about the article.
Would it be safe to assume the poster’s numbers are actually correct? If not, show your math and the assumptions that would have to be true for the posters numbers to be incorrect.

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It also takes quite a while to actually prepare criminal charges. NY authorities have been investigating Trump's businesses and taxes for years, but there's no indication that they are ready to file anything anytime soon. I don't know if it's realistic to think that Repub-controlled Georgia will press any election interference charges.
And worth pointing out might be step 1: serve those subpoenas he's been avoiding.
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That's regular Q clearance. Not the Top Secret Q clearance no one is allowed to speak about.
Ah, the first rule of Top Secret Q Clearance is is you don't talk about Top Secret Q Clearance?
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Surprising amount of female CHUDs present (and arrested) at the Capitol - Maybe a CHUD dating service is involved somehow. Take Thelma and Louise here -

https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1359596/download

And confirming what we all pretty much knew, seems there were recreational substances involved.



Girls just wanna have fun-un, oh the girls...

Paragraph 20. Gosh. This 'corrections officer' sure has a limited vocabulary.
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Old 24th January 2021, 08:19 AM   #2671
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Ah, the first rule of Top Secret Q Clearance is is you don't talk about Top Secret Q Clearance?
I'm not allowed to tell you.
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Old 24th January 2021, 08:54 AM   #2672
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I doubt it:
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That's regular Q clearance. Not the Top Secret Q clearance no one is allowed to speak about.
When I read that I had to look up what Q clearance was - I was expecting it to be a Qanon phrase, surprised that it is a real thing. Did ‘Q’ choose his nom de plume for his fiction based on ‘Q clearance’?
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Old 24th January 2021, 09:05 AM   #2673
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Ugh, I must be a nerd because every time someone says "Q" I think of the guy from Star Trek who would play magical mischief on Picard.
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Old 24th January 2021, 09:05 AM   #2674
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When I read that I had to look up what Q clearance was - I was expecting it to be a Qanon phrase, surprised that it is a real thing. Did ‘Q’ choose his nom de plume for his fiction based on ‘Q clearance’?
Pick any letter, and it's bound to have a deep meaning somewhere.
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Old 24th January 2021, 10:38 AM   #2675
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Personally, I can see the risk in over-charging people, especially if these go to jury trials. And I want to see them put real effort into the prosecutions of those who who were the worst - who fought with cops or were otherwise violent, who tore down barricades, smashed windows or otherwise vandalized. Even those who did none of that but loudly and vocally encouraged others.
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I think you can make an argument for charging everybody you can with everything you can, in part to document what happened. But taking everybody to trial would require enormous resources that could be better used. Maybe the people who didn't actually hurt anybody or steal anything should be allowed to plead guilty to some minor charge. "Disturbing the peace" has always been a catch-all charge for demonstrators; there must be some federal equivalent. They would have a record if they pulled the same stuff again, but it wouldn't hurt them if they kept their noses clean.

On the other hand, the people who showed up with weapons or attacked cops or walked out with laptops should do hard time.
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Old 24th January 2021, 11:00 AM   #2676
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When I read that I had to look up what Q clearance was - I was expecting it to be a Qanon phrase, surprised that it is a real thing. Did ‘Q’ choose his nom de plume for his fiction based on ‘Q clearance’?
I believe so. I think he claimed he had Q clearance and that's where he was getting all his super-secret super-duper information from that he was passing on.
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Old 24th January 2021, 11:34 AM   #2677
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Ugh, I must be a nerd because every time someone says "Q" I think of the guy from Star Trek who would play magical mischief on Picard.
I must be a nerd too then!
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Surprising amount of female CHUDs present (and arrested) at the Capitol - Maybe a CHUD dating service is involved somehow. Take Thelma and Louise here -

https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1359596/download

And confirming what we all pretty much knew, seems there were recreational substances involved.



Girls just wanna have fun-un, oh the girls...
They have Hispanic names, obviously Antifa instigators!
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Old 24th January 2021, 12:04 PM   #2679
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
I must be a nerd too then!

I expect that most of the people participating on this message board have at least passing claim to the title in one regard or another.
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Old 24th January 2021, 12:08 PM   #2680
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I believe so. I think he claimed he had Q clearance and that's where he was getting all his super-secret super-duper information from that he was passing on.
This is a weird case of someone who knows just enough about clearance in the US to be able to invoke this obscure DoE clearance, but not enough to have an understanding of compartmentalization (i.e., having a top-secret clearance for example does not give you access to any and all top-secret information).
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