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Old 3rd December 2020, 06:55 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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People in Georgia got caught cold bringing in massive numbers of ballots and putting them in “voting” machines. Great job @BrianKempGA!

Governor @dougducey of Arizona hired a lawyer today. Wouldn’t allowing a strong check of ballots, which would be easier and so much better for our Country, be easier on him and the great State of Arizona?
Um, yeah, about 5 million people brought in 5 million votes, that's kinda how it's supposed to work.
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Old 3rd December 2020, 07:13 PM   #202
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The Trump Campaign has strong evidence that 80 million Americans conspired to vote him out of Office.
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Old 3rd December 2020, 08:57 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by Paul2 View Post
the lawsuit that is still active is no doubt the one with ALL the evidence.
Undoubtedly. Real evidence, Real Soon Now.


But I think this was indeed the lawsuit that was said to have tons of evidence and proof, and they dropped it. I saw some young Trump lawyer talking about it Wednesday morning, and he said that on Thursday at a scheduled hearing, everyone would see the evidence. I think that's the one that was dropped yesterday.

Apparently, according to the article I linked the "evidence" consisted of proof that people who lived out of state voted in Nevada. It turns out that they were students, military personnel, and other people out of state temporarily who were eligible to vote in Nevada.

I don't know if there are actual lawsuits still pending in Nevada. I don't have my lawsuit scorecard handy to keep track of which ones are pending, and which ones have been dismissed or dropped.
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Old 3rd December 2020, 10:06 PM   #204
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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WATCH: Video footage from Georgia shows suitcases filled with ballots pulled from under a table AFTER supervisors told poll workers to leave room and 4 people stayed behind to keep counting votes


(video in link)

https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status...69329334083586
It's pretty impressive that they were able to sneak those ballets in during the vote count, sneak them in again during the manual audit, and sneak them in a third time during the recount.
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Old 3rd December 2020, 11:58 PM   #205
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Retweeted

Team Trump
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WATCH: Video footage from Georgia shows suitcases filled with ballots pulled from under a table AFTER supervisors told poll workers to leave room and 4 people stayed behind to keep counting votes


(video in link)

https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status...69329334083586
The people like "the man in the red shirt" and the like, are very easily identified. We have time stamps. We can see who was there. It's quite clear who they are. I, of course, do not know their names, but it's quite easy to find them. That leaves me with two observations.

1) We could ask them about why they did what they did.
2) They are being libeled by Team Trump, and by Trump himself through his retweets.


Trump et. al. might be able to get around the libel accusation by saying they are JAQing instead of making accusations, but if the workers' identities end up getting revealed, and they are subject to threats or other sort of malicious actions, I think we could see them in court as plaintiffs.
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Old 4th December 2020, 01:10 AM   #206
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
The Trump Campaign has strong evidence that 80 81.2 million Americans conspired to vote him out of Office.
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
And this is what happens when you put a $20 bill on a fishing line and pull it through a trailer park.
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People in Georgia got caught cold bringing in massive numbers of ballots and putting them in “voting” machines.
Well, yes. The process is called "voting".

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Originally Posted by hurdygurdy View Post
Trump's team star witness is a drunk woman who achieves the impossible feat of making Giulaini look embarrassed.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1334315220815278080
I...I...I just can't even. I can't even.

If I were to write a fictional story about lawsuits that just utterly fail in impossibly terrible ways, I could not have even come up with this. This is just beyond imagination. Failures upon failures upon failures in bizarre ways nobody could ever imagine.
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Old 4th December 2020, 02:33 AM   #210
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Oh...HELL NO. Seriously? Seriously?

I mean...Seriously?

Is this actually happening?
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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
Oh...HELL NO. Seriously? Seriously?

I mean...Seriously?

Is this actually happening?
Sidney Powell is going to have to work hard to keep her coveted spot as most deranged Trump supporter involved in these lolsuits
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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
I...I...I just can't even. I can't even.

If I were to write a fictional story about lawsuits that just utterly fail in impossibly terrible ways, I could not have even come up with this. This is just beyond imagination. Failures upon failures upon failures in bizarre ways nobody could ever imagine.
No publisher's editor would take it. They would tell you its too far-fetched; that you need to try submitting it as Fantasy Fiction.
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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
I...I...I just can't even. I can't even.

If I were to write a fictional story about lawsuits that just utterly fail in impossibly terrible ways, I could not have even come up with this. This is just beyond imagination. Failures upon failures upon failures in bizarre ways nobody could ever imagine.
When you read the transcripts and then the judgements it is so obvious that the judges can't believe what the plaintiffs are putting forward, the arguments they make and the quality of the so-called "evidence".

I've never read as concentrated "passive-aggressive" (in a good way) comments and judgements as we get in these legal dealings.
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Sidney Powell is going to have to work hard to keep her coveted spot as most deranged Trump supporter involved in these lolsuits
Sorry but she doesn't have the hair necessary to win!
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No publisher's editor would take it. They would tell you its too far-fetched; that you need to try submitting it as Fantasy Fiction.
...Pretty much the story of the Trump Presidency, eh?
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...Pretty much the story of the Trump Presidency, eh?
Yes.

Even if you only consider his tweets - 4 years ago no one would have believed that a USA president would tweet as he has done.

Let's recall that even his supporters wouldn't have believed he would tweet as he has done, they were saying he would stop being a dick and become "presidential" once he entered office.

The only honesty about Trump is that he is entirely what you see is what you get.
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Yes.

Even if you only consider his tweets - 4 years ago no one would have believed that a USA president would tweet as he has done.

Let's recall that even his supporters wouldn't have believed he would tweet as he has done, they were saying he would stop being a dick and become "presidential" once he entered office.

The only honesty about Trump is that he is entirely what you see is what you get.
There a video on youtube called "17 Minutes of Barack Obama Not Being Donald Trump". The contrast between the intelligent, thoughtful, well-educated and well spoken former president, and the crass, insulting pile of orange dog-turd currently squatting in the White House is staggering.
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The best way to insure a @KLoeffler and @sendavidperdue VICTORY is to allow signature checks in the Presidential race, which will insure a Georgia Presidential win (very few votes are needed, many will be found). Spirits will soar and everyone will rush out and VOTE!
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Probably not from Sagan.
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Sorry, your quotation just made me curious so I very briefly looked into it. I could sure be wrong and Sagan maybe did say it somewhere, but he's also the kind of author that quotes get attached to. Anyway, thought I'd mention it.
Thanks for the correction and pointing out the fallibility of human memory.

I recalled it as Ann Druyan, his wife, relating what he said on his deathbed. I was clearly conflating a couple of disparate memories.

But I don’t think that completely negates my point about differing world views.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

The best way to insure a @KLoeffler and @sendavidperdue VICTORY is to allow signature checks in the Presidential race, which will insure a Georgia Presidential win (very few votes are needed, many will be found). Spirits will soar and everyone will rush out and VOTE!
@BrianKempGA
A nod towards the more rabid parts of the CT that seem to want to threaten to withhold votes in the GA senate race unless their demands are met.

Really starting to see some nasty infighting between the Trump loyalists and the Republicans that aren't willing to commit to the coup.
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Whistleblowers reveal that the USPS is responsible for tampering with hundreds of thousands of ballots. @OANN This long time Democrat stronghold got rid of massive numbers, especially in swing states, during and before delivery of the ballots. Well documented evidence!
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Whistleblowers reveal that the USPS is responsible for tampering with hundreds of thousands of ballots. @OANN This long time Democrat stronghold got rid of massive numbers, especially in swing states, during and before delivery of the ballots. Well documented evidence!
I would totally take this seriously if my president hadn't told me not to trust whistleblowers.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Whistleblowers reveal that the USPS is responsible for tampering with hundreds of thousands of ballots. @OANN This long time Democrat stronghold got rid of massive numbers, especially in swing states, during and before delivery of the ballots. Well documented evidence!

When you join the postal service, they issue you x-ray goggles that let you read unopened mail. Or maybe they genetically modify you to give you natural x-ray vision. I don't remember.
Oh right. They used the MailopenatronTM to undetectably open all of the ballots, got rid of the Trump ones, and then undetectably resealed them.
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When you join the postal service, they issue you x-ray goggles that let you read unopened mail. Or maybe they genetically modify you to give you natural x-ray vision. I don't remember.
Oh right. They used the MailopenatronTM to undetectably open all of the ballots, got rid of the Trump ones, and then undetectably resealed them.
I'm guessing that the specific tampering Trump objects to is that they delivered a load of legitimate Biden votes. He doesn't approve of that sort of thing.

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RIGGED ELECTION!
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Why is there this assumption that Democrat voters would be happy with the results of a rigged election, even though it was rigged in favour of their side?
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Why is there this assumption that Democrat voters would be happy with the results of a rigged election, even though it was rigged in favour of their side?
Because Republicans have always been happy about winning the elections they have rigged.
Projection explains pretty much everything when it comes to their argumentation and motivation.
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Why is there this assumption that Democrat voters would be happy with the results of a rigged election, even though it was rigged in favour of their side?
Is it perhaps relevant that it's Republicans making this assumption?

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Why is there this assumption that Democrat voters would be happy with the results of a rigged election, even though it was rigged in favour of their side?
Projection, I suppose.
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Why is there this assumption that Democrat voters would be happy with the results of a rigged election, even though it was rigged in favour of their side?
Because many people really struggle to understand not everyone thinks or reacts the same way as they do. They know they'd be fine with a win if their side won with a rigged election so assume everyone else would be the same.
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Because many people really struggle to understand not everyone thinks or reacts the same way as they do. They know they'd be fine with a win if their side won with a rigged election so assume everyone else would be the same.

It's like the numerous times I've seen online articles about atheism and someone in the comments asked "If you don't believe in God, what keeps you from robbing, raping, and killing all the time?"

... Slowly stepping away from the potential serial killer who assumes that everyone has these urges and is kept from acting on them by the fear of divine punishment, like he is.
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RIGGED ELECTION!
And how does that make you feel?
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Why is there this assumption that Democrat voters would be happy with the results of a rigged election, even though it was rigged in favour of their side?
What are you talking about? The election was rigged, and Democrat voters are happy. What more proof do you want.
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RIGGED ELECTION!
Of all the things Trump's tweeted lately, this one seems to me to be the most unhinged. Why would he need to tweet this? Does he think that there are people who don't quite understand that he thinks the election was rigged? Was there some significant ambiguity in all his previous tweets claiming that the election was rigged that he now feels this will clear up? Has there been a news report suggesting that he now thinks it was fair?

Presumably he just realised that it's a few minutes since he last tweeted anything, and though he hasn't actually got anything to say, he doesn't fell that he exists unless he's being actively obnoxious. But it feels like he's just knee-jerking now.

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The people like "the man in the red shirt" and the like, are very easily identified. We have time stamps. We can see who was there. It's quite clear who they are. I, of course, do not know their names, but it's quite easy to find them. That leaves me with two observations.

1) We could ask them about why they did what they did.
2) They are being libeled by Team Trump, and by Trump himself through his retweets.
Not to mention that there almost certainly were VERY few people who had a key to get into that room, and those people were undoubtedly in the leadership of whatever agency or board counts votes and therefore could have easily been identified.
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Not to mention that there almost certainly were VERY few people who had a key to get into that room, and those people were undoubtedly in the leadership of whatever agency or board counts votes and therefore could have easily been identified.
Not to mention, of course, they HAD to know they were under video surveillance.
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Not to mention, of course, they HAD to know they were under video surveillance.
Projection, again. These accusations are coming from people stupid enough not to understand that.

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Projection, I suppose.
Actually, I think it's exactly the opposite.

People tend to assume that "the enemy" is nothing like them, and while they would never, ever, do something like commit vote fraud, the other side is teeming with people willing to do so.


In reality, I believe very few Americans on either side, or on no side at all, would participate in a vote fraud scheme.

It goes along with a study I heard about earlier this year and have mentioned many times. I heard the author talking on NPR one day this summer. In American politics today, most people could be described as either somewhat left wing or somewhat right wing, with a few people being extreme left wing or extreme right wing. However, the people on each "somwhat" side, are convinced that there are very few "somewhat" on the other side. In other words, people who are somewhat left wing assume that there are huge numbers of people who are extreme right wing, and vice versa.

ETA: Voter suppression is a different matter. Lots more are willing to do that, and many, many, people are willing to go along with it while rationalizing that they aren't really engaged in voter suppression.
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
Actually, I think it's exactly the opposite.

People tend to assume that "the enemy" is nothing like them, and while they would never, ever, do something like commit vote fraud, the other side is teeming with people willing to do so.


In reality, I believe very few Americans on either side, or on no side at all, would participate in a vote fraud scheme.
I think most of the projection comes from Trump, who is definitely not above cheating. His followers parrot his idiocy. Their conceptual failure is not so much projection as blind faith in Trump.

Clearly there are Republicans with integrity, though, because we're seeing them standing fast in the face of madness, even if mostly on the state level.
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I think, in the years to come, lots of ph. d. s will be written on subjects like "Tendency to follow your leader beyond common sense". Not a large percentage, but some people will push on behind a strong leader (and much as we might hate it, Trump is that) long after most will have peeled away. The reason it right now seems like so many of them do is really because Trump has been cultivating those even from before the -16 campaign, carefully weeding out those that might not comply. That's the game he has been playing: It is hardly 4d chess, but it IS a quite mean game of checkers.

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