Trump's accomplishments - Page 2

Ziggurat · 2nd January 2021, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Basically Trump threw the Palestinians under the bus to get whatever it is you think is a big deal.

The Palestinians aren't actually any worse off with these deals than they were without. They could have been part of this. They could have gotten something out of it.

They chose not to. That's not Trump's fault. Nor is it wrong of him to leave them behind when others are willing to move forward.

wareyin · 2nd January 2021, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

The Palestinians aren't actually any worse off with these deals than they were without. They could have been part of this. They could have gotten something out of it.

You don't know that. Why are you pretending to know what you don't actually know?

Skeptic Ginger · 2nd January 2021, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

1. He promoted the US Cyber Command to full combatant command. This is the one movie I will actually say I fully "Like." The government has been far too long in seeing our nation's cyber defense structure as a valid, integrated part of national defense and getting rid of the US Cyber Command's weird half structure dual hat setup that made doing anything impossible because you had two completely separate chains of command is a huge step in fixing that.

Right, the cyber security that allowed one of the biggest hacks of government networks to happen.

Ziggurat · 2nd January 2021, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by wareyin

You don't know that. Why are you pretending to know what you don't actually know?

Because that's what happens every time. The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. It's a consistent pattern.

Skeptic Ginger · 2nd January 2021, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

For me, a lot of this comes down to "What if Obama did it?"

1.) If Obama did Space Force with all the references to Star Trek and other SF. Would we say, "LOL! Stooooopid!" Or would we say, "That's so cool! It's almost Elon Musk-eque and no one has a problem with that!" So let's give Trump that one.

Depends on which "we" you are referring to. And this presumes Obama would have been stooopid enough to waste time and money on it.

The whole thing IMO was Trump wanting to appear like JFK. I believe Trump made a few attempts to get excitement for putting people on Mars.

Skeptic Ginger · 2nd January 2021, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Kushner's greatest achievement in the Middle East was to force Qatar into leasing his devil building for 99 years for $1.1 billion.
There has never been a greater act of corruption in US politics in terms of shear size.

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but the colossal size of Trump personal grifting necessitates mention. The details won't fit on the page.

Skeptic Ginger · 2nd January 2021, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

So you don’t have any actual knowledge. You have second hand reporting of the opinions of people whom you don’t know if they have any insider knowledge, let alone what their motives are to spin it in whatever direction they want to, and you would have no idea.

Oh for pity's sake. By that standard almost nothing on the whole forum is supported by evidence.

Skeptic Ginger · 2nd January 2021, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by wareyin

You don't know that. Why are you pretending to know what you don't actually know?

Touché.

Norman Alexander · 2nd January 2021, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Because that's what happens every time. The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. It's a consistent pattern.

How do you know that? You don't live there and haven't been involved in their lives. So you can't say why they do what they do or not.

Ziggurat · 2nd January 2021, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Oh for pity's sake. By that standard almost nothing on the whole forum is supported by evidence.

You have stumbled upon the unspoken truth of the politics forum.

Ziggurat · 2nd January 2021, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

How do you know that? You don't live there and haven't been involved in their lives. So you can't say why they do what they do or not.

Well, no. Public declarations of actions are known.

Skeptic Ginger · 2nd January 2021, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

You have stumbled upon the unspoken truth of the politics forum.

Nonsense.

Meadmaker · 2nd January 2021, 03:03 PM

His big highlights (prior to Covid)

Tax cuts.
Deregulation. (Especially environmental rules)
Tax cuts.
He really ticked off liberals.
Tax cuts.
Beating the phony impeachment charges.
Tax cuts.
Three conservatives on the Supreme Court

And, the thing about tax cuts is he figured out how to avoid some of the nasty political fallout. All you have to do is skip the accompanying spending cuts. Past Republicans have cut taxes a lot, and cut spending a little. This made people mad because they didn't want anyone to cut spending. So, Trump didn't. It's a win-win for everyone except our children.

ETA: I forgot moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and tax cuts.

dirtywick · 2nd January 2021, 03:25 PM

i guess it's not surprising there's so little to talk about. the guy didn't really have a coherent agenda.

tax cuts
judiciary reform
USMCA
deregulation

and i'm not even sure how much of the deregulation was done via executive order. there's really not much of a lasting legacy there, aside from the tax cuts. even those will have to be revisited sooner rather than later.

he mostly spent a lot of time trying to put out fires he started.

Norman Alexander · 2nd January 2021, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Well, no. Public declarations of actions are known.

Ah. So you can use those and it's "fact", but when I do, it's "hearsay".

Got it.

Trebuchet · 2nd January 2021, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Ah. So you can use those and it's "fact", but when I do, it's "hearsay".

Got it.

No, it's proof. Secret Proof. Sooper Seekrit Proof! Like the proof that Obama is a thinskinned narcissist but Trump is not.

wareyin · 2nd January 2021, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Because that's what happens every time. The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. It's a consistent pattern.

You have no insider knowledge, and are in no position to make that declaration. You say that because you can't conceive of it any other way, not because you actually have any evidence to that effect.

zooterkin · 3rd January 2021, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

You also need to consider what he said he wanted to accomplish.

Two of his major campaigning policies were “the wall” and healthcare - he failed at both of those.

Another policy promise was removing many environmental protection regulations - he succeeded at that.

Did he drain the swamp, or lock her up?

Darat · 3rd January 2021, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

Did he drain the swamp, or lock her up?

If I recall correctly Clinton dropped dead after she rang President-elect Trump or just before. And the new Swamp Trump Golf course and Hair Salon will be opening in the summer.

Elagabalus · 3rd January 2021, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

His big highlights (prior to Covid)

Tax cuts.
Deregulation. (Especially environmental rules)
Tax cuts.
He really ticked off liberals.
Tax cuts.
Beating the phony impeachment charges.
Tax cuts.
Three conservatives on the Supreme Court

And, the thing about tax cuts is he figured out how to avoid some of the nasty political fallout. All you have to do is skip the accompanying spending cuts. Past Republicans have cut taxes a lot, and cut spending a little. This made people mad because they didn't want anyone to cut spending. So, Trump didn't. It's a win-win for everyone except our children.

ETA: I forgot moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and tax cuts.

And destroying America.

Trebuchet · 3rd January 2021, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Elagabalus

And destroying America.

We had to destroy America in order to save it.

Ziggurat · 3rd January 2021, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Ah. So you can use those and it's "fact", but when I do, it's "hearsay".

Got it.

People telling you what they themselves are doing is quite a bit different than other people trying to describe what went on behind closed doors that they were not actually privy to.

JoeMorgue · 3rd January 2021, 12:52 PM

I see the Trumpers are trying to get their groove back.

Meadmaker · 3rd January 2021, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

We had to destroy America in order to save it.

That is such an appropriate reference for the last four years.

wareyin · 3rd January 2021, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

People telling you what they themselves are doing is quite a bit different than other people trying to describe what went on behind closed doors that they were not actually privy to.

Interesting. What exactly that you have been claiming as fact have you personally been privy to?

Nothing?

Athyrio · 6th January 2021, 06:29 AM

He was instrumental in securing the election success of the first Black U.S. Senator from the state of Georgia. Without Trump's unyielding efforts, it might not have happened.

Firestone · 6th January 2021, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Athyrio

He was instrumental in securing the election success of the first Black U.S. Senator from the state of Georgia. Without Trump's unyielding efforts, it might not have happened.

In the same vein, thanks to Trump's tireless efforts these last weeks, a Socialist will be the head of the Senate Budget Committee.

Sherman Bay · 6th January 2021, 07:18 AM

No matter what you say about Trump, he made the trains run on time.

Lothian · 6th January 2021, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Firestone

In the same vein, thanks to Trump's tireless efforts these last weeks, a Socialist will be the head of the Senate Budget Committee.

He broke a 10 year run where the GOP controlled the House, the Senate or both.

Tero · 6th January 2021, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

His big highlights (prior to Covid)

Tax cuts.
Deregulation. (Especially environmental rules)
Tax cuts.
He really ticked off liberals.
Tax cuts.
Beating the phony impeachment charges.
Tax cuts.
Three conservatives on the Supreme Court

And, the thing about tax cuts is he figured out how to avoid some of the nasty political fallout. All you have to do is skip the accompanying spending cuts. Past Republicans have cut taxes a lot, and cut spending a little. This made people mad because they didn't want anyone to cut spending. So, Trump didn't. It's a win-win for everyone except our children.

ETA: I forgot moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and tax cuts.

Why do you hate America so much? The GOP is a relic, hanging on due to rural states, many of only survive by the subsidies by the federal gov't they hate so much.

The 1950s are not coming back, despite Trump. He will be the last GOP president for quite a while.

Adapt to our overpopulated planet or there is no future.

ahhell · 6th January 2021, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Oh for pity's sake. By that standard almost nothing on the whole forum is supported by evidence.

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

You have stumbled upon the unspoken truth of the politics forum.

Yep

thaiboxerken · 6th January 2021, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

How do you know that? You don't live there and haven't been involved in their lives. So you can't say why they do what they do or not.

He knows in his heart that what he says is true because Palestinians are evil...

timhau · 6th January 2021, 12:56 PM

An actual coup attempt with morons storming the capitol. Now there's a unique presidential achievement. I hope you Trumpers are proud.

Safe-Keeper · 6th January 2021, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by timhau

An actual coup attempt with morons storming the capitol. Now there's a unique presidential achievement. I hope you Trumpers are proud.

Yes, quite an unpresidented achievement.

Before the mob stormed the congress building, and not even this was enough to make Drumpf stop spouting his conspiratorial nonsense, I took solace in that Biden would take over in two weeks. Sure, thousands of people die from covid every day, but other than that, how much damage could he do.

Now two weeks seems like a very, very long time.

Trebuchet · 6th January 2021, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Yes, quite an unpresidented achievement.

Before the mob stormed the congress building, and not even this was enough to make Drumpf stop spouting his conspiratorial nonsense, I took solace in that Biden would take over in two weeks. Sure, thousands of people die from covid every day, but other than that, how much damage could he do.

Now two weeks seems like a very, very long time.

And he's not going to stop!

Segnosaur · 6th January 2021, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by timhau

An actual coup attempt with morons storming the capitol. Now there's a unique presidential achievement. I hope you Trumpers are proud.

Trump might be the only president to be both impeached, and removed from office via the 25th amendment. (Well, that's what current rumors are saying... take with a grain of salt.)

Mumbles · 7th January 2021, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Sherman Bay

No matter what you say about Trump, he made the trains run on time.

Actually, he tried to slash Amtrak's budget, so he failed there too.

The Don · 7th January 2021, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Trump might be the only president to be both impeached, and removed from office via the 25th amendment. (Well, that's what current rumors are saying... take with a grain of salt.)

Won't happen IMO, there's too much support for President Trump among the GOP rank and file for senior Republicans to break ranks over something so trivial as this.

Threatening to reverse tax cuts or increasing stimulus payments to the poor OTOH.....

Resume · 7th January 2021, 02:14 AM

He committed a number of crimes, inspired racists, lied as if there were some sort of contest, pissed on the constitution, **** on the environment, fomented insurrection and sedition, and got away with it. Plus he made America a laughingstock over and over and over.

So yeah, he accomplished a lot, none of it good.

ETA: Oh yeah, he survived an impeachment. 25th, now.

dudalb · 7th January 2021, 02:28 AM

But his greatest accomplishment:

He totally demolished James Buchanan in the contest for the Worst President.

2nd January 2021, 12:33 PM	#41
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 48,249	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Basically Trump threw the Palestinians under the bus to get whatever it is you think is a big deal. The Palestinians aren't actually any worse off with these deals than they were without. They could have been part of this. They could have gotten something out of it. They chose not to. That's not Trump's fault. Nor is it wrong of him to leave them behind when others are willing to move forward.
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2nd January 2021, 12:52 PM	#44
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 48,249	Originally Posted by wareyin You don't know that. Why are you pretending to know what you don't actually know? Because that's what happens every time. The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. It's a consistent pattern.
	__________________ "As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law

2nd January 2021, 01:32 PM	#49
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,733	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Because that's what happens every time. The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. It's a consistent pattern. How do you know that? You don't live there and haven't been involved in their lives. So you can't say why they do what they do or not.
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2nd January 2021, 01:54 PM	#50
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 48,249	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Oh for pity's sake. By that standard almost nothing on the whole forum is supported by evidence. You have stumbled upon the unspoken truth of the politics forum.
	__________________ "As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law

2nd January 2021, 01:55 PM	#51
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 48,249	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander How do you know that? You don't live there and haven't been involved in their lives. So you can't say why they do what they do or not. Well, no. Public declarations of actions are known.
	__________________ "As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law

2nd January 2021, 12:41 PM	#42
wareyin Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 8,287	Originally Posted by Ziggurat The Palestinians aren't actually any worse off with these deals than they were without. They could have been part of this. They could have gotten something out of it. You don't know that. Why are you pretending to know what you don't actually know?

2nd January 2021, 12:44 PM	#43
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,762	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue 1. He promoted the US Cyber Command to full combatant command. This is the one movie I will actually say I fully "Like." The government has been far too long in seeing our nation's cyber defense structure as a valid, integrated part of national defense and getting rid of the US Cyber Command's weird half structure dual hat setup that made doing anything impossible because you had two completely separate chains of command is a huge step in fixing that. Right, the cyber security that allowed one of the biggest hacks of government networks to happen.

2nd January 2021, 12:58 PM	#45
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,762	Originally Posted by angrysoba For me, a lot of this comes down to "What if Obama did it?" 1.) If Obama did Space Force with all the references to Star Trek and other SF. Would we say, "LOL! Stooooopid!" Or would we say, "That's so cool! It's almost Elon Musk-eque and no one has a problem with that!" So let's give Trump that one. Depends on which "we" you are referring to. And this presumes Obama would have been stooopid enough to waste time and money on it. The whole thing IMO was Trump wanting to appear like JFK. I believe Trump made a few attempts to get excitement for putting people on Mars.

2nd January 2021, 01:06 PM	#46
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,762	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Kushner's greatest achievement in the Middle East was to force Qatar into leasing his devil building for 99 years for $1.1 billion. There has never been a greater act of corruption in US politics in terms of shear size. Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but the colossal size of Trump personal grifting necessitates mention. The details won't fit on the page.

2nd January 2021, 01:10 PM	#47
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,762	Originally Posted by Ziggurat So you don’t have any actual knowledge. You have second hand reporting of the opinions of people whom you don’t know if they have any insider knowledge, let alone what their motives are to spin it in whatever direction they want to, and you would have no idea. Oh for pity's sake. By that standard almost nothing on the whole forum is supported by evidence.

2nd January 2021, 01:11 PM	#48
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,762	Originally Posted by wareyin You don't know that. Why are you pretending to know what you don't actually know? Touché.

2nd January 2021, 01:55 PM	#52
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,762	Originally Posted by Ziggurat You have stumbled upon the unspoken truth of the politics forum. Nonsense.

2nd January 2021, 03:03 PM	#53
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,185	His big highlights (prior to Covid) Tax cuts. Deregulation. (Especially environmental rules) Tax cuts. He really ticked off liberals. Tax cuts. Beating the phony impeachment charges. Tax cuts. Three conservatives on the Supreme Court And, the thing about tax cuts is he figured out how to avoid some of the nasty political fallout. All you have to do is skip the accompanying spending cuts. Past Republicans have cut taxes a lot, and cut spending a little. This made people mad because they didn't want anyone to cut spending. So, Trump didn't. It's a win-win for everyone except our children. ETA: I forgot moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and tax cuts.
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2nd January 2021, 03:25 PM	#54
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,085	i guess it's not surprising there's so little to talk about. the guy didn't really have a coherent agenda. tax cuts judiciary reform USMCA deregulation and i'm not even sure how much of the deregulation was done via executive order. there's really not much of a lasting legacy there, aside from the tax cuts. even those will have to be revisited sooner rather than later. he mostly spent a lot of time trying to put out fires he started.
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2nd January 2021, 03:46 PM	#55
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,733	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Well, no. Public declarations of actions are known. Ah. So you can use those and it's "fact", but when I do, it's "hearsay". Got it.
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2nd January 2021, 05:20 PM	#56
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,976	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Ah. So you can use those and it's "fact", but when I do, it's "hearsay". Got it. No, it's proof. Secret Proof. Sooper Seekrit Proof! Like the proof that Obama is a thinskinned narcissist but Trump is not.
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2nd January 2021, 08:51 PM	#57
wareyin Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 8,287	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Because that's what happens every time. The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. It's a consistent pattern. You have no insider knowledge, and are in no position to make that declaration. You say that because you can't conceive of it any other way, not because you actually have any evidence to that effect.

3rd January 2021, 06:19 AM	#58
zooterkin Nitpicking dilettante Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berkshire, mostly Posts: 48,344	Originally Posted by Darat You also need to consider what he said he wanted to accomplish. Two of his major campaigning policies were “the wall” and healthcare - he failed at both of those. Another policy promise was removing many environmental protection regulations - he succeeded at that. Did he drain the swamp, or lock her up?
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3rd January 2021, 06:49 AM	#59
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 96,805	Originally Posted by zooterkin Did he drain the swamp, or lock her up? If I recall correctly Clinton dropped dead after she rang President-elect Trump or just before. And the new Swamp Trump Golf course and Hair Salon will be opening in the summer.
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3rd January 2021, 12:12 PM	#60
Elagabalus Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 6,919	Originally Posted by Meadmaker His big highlights (prior to Covid) Tax cuts. Deregulation. (Especially environmental rules) Tax cuts. He really ticked off liberals. Tax cuts. Beating the phony impeachment charges. Tax cuts. Three conservatives on the Supreme Court And, the thing about tax cuts is he figured out how to avoid some of the nasty political fallout. All you have to do is skip the accompanying spending cuts. Past Republicans have cut taxes a lot, and cut spending a little. This made people mad because they didn't want anyone to cut spending. So, Trump didn't. It's a win-win for everyone except our children. ETA: I forgot moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and tax cuts. And destroying America.
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3rd January 2021, 12:27 PM	#61
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,976	Originally Posted by Elagabalus And destroying America. We had to destroy America in order to save it.
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3rd January 2021, 12:45 PM	#62
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 48,249	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Ah. So you can use those and it's "fact", but when I do, it's "hearsay". Got it. People telling you what they themselves are doing is quite a bit different than other people trying to describe what went on behind closed doors that they were not actually privy to.
	__________________ "As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law

3rd January 2021, 12:52 PM	#63
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,537	I see the Trumpers are trying to get their groove back.
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3rd January 2021, 01:22 PM	#64
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,185	Originally Posted by Trebuchet We had to destroy America in order to save it. That is such an appropriate reference for the last four years.
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3rd January 2021, 04:33 PM	#65
wareyin Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 8,287	Originally Posted by Ziggurat People telling you what they themselves are doing is quite a bit different than other people trying to describe what went on behind closed doors that they were not actually privy to. Interesting. What exactly that you have been claiming as fact have you personally been privy to? Nothing?

6th January 2021, 06:29 AM	#66
Athyrio Hipster Doofus Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nutsack, FL Posts: 2,167	He was instrumental in securing the election success of the first Black U.S. Senator from the state of Georgia. Without Trump's unyielding efforts, it might not have happened.
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6th January 2021, 07:08 AM	#67
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,987	Originally Posted by Athyrio He was instrumental in securing the election success of the first Black U.S. Senator from the state of Georgia. Without Trump's unyielding efforts, it might not have happened. In the same vein, thanks to Trump's tireless efforts these last weeks, a Socialist will be the head of the Senate Budget Committee.
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6th January 2021, 07:18 AM	#68
Sherman Bay Master Poster Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 2,329	No matter what you say about Trump, he made the trains run on time.

6th January 2021, 07:25 AM	#69
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 16,071	Originally Posted by Firestone In the same vein, thanks to Trump's tireless efforts these last weeks, a Socialist will be the head of the Senate Budget Committee. He broke a 10 year run where the GOP controlled the House, the Senate or both.

6th January 2021, 07:39 AM	#70
Tero Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 2,199	Originally Posted by Meadmaker His big highlights (prior to Covid) Tax cuts. Deregulation. (Especially environmental rules) Tax cuts. He really ticked off liberals. Tax cuts. Beating the phony impeachment charges. Tax cuts. Three conservatives on the Supreme Court And, the thing about tax cuts is he figured out how to avoid some of the nasty political fallout. All you have to do is skip the accompanying spending cuts. Past Republicans have cut taxes a lot, and cut spending a little. This made people mad because they didn't want anyone to cut spending. So, Trump didn't. It's a win-win for everyone except our children. ETA: I forgot moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and tax cuts. Why do you hate America so much? The GOP is a relic, hanging on due to rural states, many of only survive by the subsidies by the federal gov't they hate so much. The 1950s are not coming back, despite Trump. He will be the last GOP president for quite a while. Adapt to our overpopulated planet or there is no future.
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6th January 2021, 07:48 AM	#71
ahhell Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 3,402	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Oh for pity's sake. By that standard almost nothing on the whole forum is supported by evidence. Originally Posted by Ziggurat You have stumbled upon the unspoken truth of the politics forum. Yep
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6th January 2021, 08:05 AM	#72
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,705	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander How do you know that? You don't live there and haven't been involved in their lives. So you can't say why they do what they do or not. He knows in his heart that what he says is true because Palestinians are evil...
	__________________ 1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it.

6th January 2021, 12:56 PM	#73
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 14,462	An actual coup attempt with morons storming the capitol. Now there's a unique presidential achievement. I hope you Trumpers are proud.
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6th January 2021, 06:41 PM	#74
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,389	Originally Posted by timhau An actual coup attempt with morons storming the capitol. Now there's a unique presidential achievement. I hope you Trumpers are proud. Yes, quite an unpresidented achievement. Before the mob stormed the congress building, and not even this was enough to make Drumpf stop spouting his conspiratorial nonsense, I took solace in that Biden would take over in two weeks. Sure, thousands of people die from covid every day, but other than that, how much damage could he do. Now two weeks seems like a very, very long time.
	__________________ "He's like a drunk being given a sobriety test by the police after being pulled over. Just as a drunk can't walk a straight line, Trump can't think in a straight line. He's all over the place."--Stacyhs "If you are still hung up on that whole words-have-meaning thing, then 2020 is going to be a long year for you." --Ladewig

6th January 2021, 07:07 PM	#75
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,976	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper Yes, quite an unpresidented achievement. Before the mob stormed the congress building, and not even this was enough to make Drumpf stop spouting his conspiratorial nonsense, I took solace in that Biden would take over in two weeks. Sure, thousands of people die from covid every day, but other than that, how much damage could he do. Now two weeks seems like a very, very long time. And he's not going to stop!
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