Trump's accomplishments - Page 3

Firestone · 7th January 2021, 02:35 AM

Trump's legacy shows the diversity of America. Thanks to his unprecedented leadership, in just a few weeks, the US will have:

- a catholic President (only the second one)
- a female, Black, Indian, baptist Vice-President
- a female, catholic Speaker of the House
- a jewish Senate Majority Leader

The Don · 7th January 2021, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

But his greatest accomplishment:

He totally demolished James Buchanan in the contest for the Worst President.

And yet, among Republicans, he's the best President ever, both in a direct poll and in terms of his approval numbers.

President Trump is exactly the President that 74 million Americans recently voted for

Mumbles · 7th January 2021, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

But his greatest accomplishment:

He totally demolished James Buchanan in the contest for the Worst President.

I was thinking about this one. Up until yesterday, I was thinking I still had to give it to Buchanan, but after this...Toupee Fiasco may have pulled it off.

timhau · 7th January 2021, 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

But his greatest accomplishment:

He totally demolished James Buchanan in the contest for the Worst President.

Yeah, and the Van Buren family is also grateful for his service.

dudalb · 7th January 2021, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

And yet, among Republicans, he's the best President ever, both in a direct poll and in terms of his approval numbers.

President Trump is exactly the President that 74 million Americans recently voted for

Ever get bored with the Cassandra routine?

dudalb · 7th January 2021, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by timhau

Yeah, and the Van Buren family is also grateful for his service.

The Hardings and Nixon is also gratful.

The Don · 7th January 2021, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Ever get bored with the Cassandra routine?

Did I state anything factually incorrect ?

ponderingturtle · 7th January 2021, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Ever get bored with the Cassandra routine?

Being correct but ignored is a flaw now?

smartcooky · 7th January 2021, 12:28 PM

Inciting an insurrection that resulted in the storming of the Capitol for the first time in 206 years.... does that count as an "achievement"?

Mader Levap · 7th January 2021, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Inciting an insurrection that resulted in the storming of the Capitol for the first time in 206 years.... does that count as an "achievement"?

If Steam's achievements taught me anything... yes, absolutely.

Collin237 · 20th January 2021, 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by ahhell

No new wars is a big accomplishment for a US president.

The Kurds were being terrorized by Syria. Now they're being terrorized by Syria and Turkey. Does that count as a new war?

The Don · 20th January 2021, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by Collin237

The Kurds were being terrorized by Syria. Now they're being terrorized by Syria and Turkey. Does that count as a new war?

No, it only counts as a war if the US is actively involved.

The Great Zaganza · 20th January 2021, 04:19 AM

I did hear from multiple Trump Defenders how his anti-lobbying EO proved that he he was 'draining the Swamp'.

Haven't gotten any reply about the fact that Trump rescinded that order just before leaving.

The Don · 20th January 2021, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

I did hear from multiple Trump Defenders how his anti-lobbying EO proved that he he was 'draining the Swamp'.

Haven't gotten any reply about the fact that Trump rescinded that order just before leaving.

Ah well it's like this......

He drained the swamp therefore anyone associated with his administration is, by definition, free of the taint of swamp. As a consequence they should be free to immediately go into lucrative lobbying positions.

It's only people from prior (and one presumes, subsequent) administrations who should have to wait before waddling up to the trough.

Sound about right ?

Segnosaur · 20th January 2021, 10:50 AM

Quote:

No new wars is a big accomplishment for a US president.

Not sure if that was a serious comment or not. But assuming it was...

In my opinion, "No new wars" is not necessarily an accomplishment.

The world is a complex place, with constantly changing political situations... New politicians and other notable figures rise and fall, social situations get altered, etc. While starting a preemptive war for no reason would be considered a negative, not all military conflicts are the same.

Most people would consider a military response to 9/11 to be justified, as the U.S. was attacked by foreign actors in Afghanistan, and it was unlikely that further attacks would have been prevented without an invasion. And Obama's involvement in the Libyan conflict was understandable: the U.S. did not initiate the conflict, and civilians were being targeted.

Now, it is true that Trump did not involve the U.S. in any new wars (although probably not for lack of trying... his handling of Iran certainly amounted to pretty loud sabre rattling.) But that seemed to be more a case of dumb luck... the U.S. was not directly attacked in that time (neither was it attacked under Obama... so no gold star for Trup there), and there were no surprise global conflicts that would have required international attention.

Chanakya · 20th January 2021, 11:02 AM

Just read this page, so possibly this may have been covered in one of the earlier pages.

Trump's obvious, and very important, if unintended, contribution has been to show up, finger-in-eye, can-no-longer-be-ignored, those glaring inefficiencies and loopholes crying out to be set right. Any lesser a montstrosity than Trump, and they might not have stood out so. Any more or smarter than Trump, and they may have broken the nation for good. As it is, it was a great wake-up-call, to set these administrative issues right.

Yes, political fissures too, obviously, but here I'm speaking of the administrative stuff, easily enough fixed (compared to the far more difficult political stuff).

Like, 1. After the election, and up till the next administration takes over, drastically limit all executive powers. Barring emergencies, preferably do away with all overreaching powers of the lame-duck, caretaker President.

2. Bring down the huge gap between vote and the next administration taking over.

3. Remove the Pardon thing. Or at least, require all pardons to necessarily be backed by a two-thirds mahority. (Either no pardons, or there's a vote in the House, once a year, for all pardon candidates, and the Prez can pardon only those that get the two-thirds majority support. Or something along those lines.)

Those three, off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others. Fires to put out there always will be, but the Biden administration should not let go the opportunity created by Trump's sheer grotesquery to push through some of these long-needed reforms. The horror that was Trump will then have served a useful purpose, if this is done.

Crossbow · 20th January 2021, 11:36 AM

Since that POS Trump is finally out of the White House, now I no longer have to worry every day about him starting a war, starting a fight with the news media, starting a fight with Democrats, or starting a fight with someone/anyone else.

That is about the only half-way positive thing that Trump has done. Is to leave the White House when he was supposed to leave.

Ziggurat · 20th January 2021, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

Since that POS Trump is finally out of the White House, now I no longer have to worry every day about him starting a war

Did you worry about Obama starting wars?

Because he actually did, and Trump didn't.

Segnosaur · 20th January 2021, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Did you worry about Obama starting wars?

Because he actually did, and Trump didn't.

Actually, no he (Obama) didn't.

He got the U.S. involved in Libya, but Obama didn't start that war... it was already a conflict before Obama joined in the bombing campaign. And there was that 'war' with ISIS, but that was in response to attacks initiated by the terrorist organizations.

Safe-Keeper · 20th January 2021, 11:50 AM

I'd forgotten about this thread. What a perfect place to drop this video. Take it away, Beau.

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I AGREE

Yeah. I'll be sharing this one. Trumpkins need to see it.

wareyin · 20th January 2021, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Actually, no he didn't.

He got the U.S. involved in Libya, but Obama didn't start that war... it was already a conflict before Obama joined in the bombing campaign. And there was that 'war' with ISIS, but that was in response to attacks initiated by the terrorist organizations.

Look, you gotta give Trumpers a pass. We can't expect them to understand complex concepts like "start" or "war".

Segnosaur · 20th January 2021, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

I'd forgotten about this thread. What a perfect place to drop this video. Take it away, Beau.

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I AGREE

Yeah. I'll be sharing this one. Trumpkins need to see it.

Not necessarily a bad (or inaccurate) video... but he should have provided an emphasis right in the video where he got the list of 'fascist points/signs' from.

Safe-Keeper · 20th January 2021, 01:33 PM

Also, to be fair, there's different lists of the traits of facsism, and they have a tendency to vary a great deal in detail. Beau picked one that fit Trump like a glove.

zooterkin · 20th January 2021, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Did you worry about Obama starting wars?

Because he actually did, and Trump didn't.

If Obama had started a war, it would have been for good reasons, after other options had been exhausted, and after proper consideration for the consequences, and not as a result of insults thrown around on Twitter.

Ziggurat · 20th January 2021, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

If Obama had started a war,

What do you mean, "if"?

Quote:

it would have been for good reasons, after other options had been exhausted, and after proper consideration for the consequences, and not as a result of insults thrown around on Twitter.

You are describing your fears about Trump, not the reality of him.

Safe-Keeper · 20th January 2021, 03:17 PM

Also, Obama didn't in fact start any wars.

Safe-Keeper · 20th January 2021, 03:19 PM

For fairness' sake, I wasn't really worried about Trump starting a war abroad.

I was, however, very concerned about him overthrowing democracy at home. I can't remember ever worrying about that with a previous POTUS, not even Bush Jr.

Regnad Kcin · 20th January 2021, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Did you worry about Obama starting wars?

Because he actually did, and Trump didn't.

He sure gosh-darn tried on 6 Jan.

Edited by zooterkin:

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Edited for rule 12.

dirtywick · 20th January 2021, 03:33 PM

have we established which war did obama start?

Ziggurat · 20th January 2021, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

For fairness' sake, I wasn't really worried about Trump starting a war abroad.

I was, however, very concerned about him overthrowing democracy at home. I can't remember ever worrying about that with a previous POTUS, not even Bush Jr.

People here seem to think that being worried about something is evidence in and of itself that they should have been worried. It's quite strange.

Shalamar · 20th January 2021, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by dirtywick

have we established which war did obama start?

All of them, the narcissist that he is.

catsmate · 20th January 2021, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Did you worry about Obama starting wars?

Because he actually did, and Trump didn't.

Mmmmm........no.

And Obama didn't let four hundred thousand USAians be killed by a disease because of his stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice.

Trebuchet · 20th January 2021, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

And Obama didn't let four hundred thousand USAians be killed by a disease because of his stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice.

No, that was Biden. Biden killed all of them. There's proof. Sooper Seekrit Proof (TM).

wareyin · 20th January 2021, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

People here seem to think that being worried about something is evidence in and of itself that they should have been worried. It's quite strange.

Nah, what's strange is when people make claims that are demonstrably at odds with reality, famously refuse to support those claims, then expect to be taken seriously the next time they make laughably wrong claims.

Stacyhs · 20th January 2021, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by wareyin

Nah, what's strange is when people make claims that are demonstrably at odds with reality, famously refuse to support those claims, then expect to be taken seriously the next time they make laughably wrong claims.

You mean like claim a dictionary's definition of a word is wrong because it doesn't agree with their definition?

Dave Rogers · 21st January 2021, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

People here seem to think that being worried about something is evidence in and of itself that they should have been worried. It's quite strange.

Good point. For example, some people think that, just because a lot of people have been convinced by a lengthy disinformation campaign to be worried about voter fraud, the voting system must therefore be worryingly prone to voter fraud. As you say, quite strange.

Dave

Delvo · 21st January 2021, 01:16 AM

A simple rule I go by (which didn't need to be stated until Trump and his excusers came along) eliminates a bunch of the suggested examples of Trump's achievements: If you're in a job that enables you to just give orders and have people follow them, giving orders is not an achievement.

dirtywick · 21st January 2021, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

You mean like claim a dictionary's definition of a word is wrong because it doesn't agree with their definition?

i have a feeling there's going to be some argument about what the definition of the word "start" is soon

catsmate · 21st January 2021, 01:37 AM

He's almost certainly ended discussion on the matter of "Who was America's worst President?"

Stacyhs · 21st January 2021, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by dirtywick

i have a feeling there's going to be some argument about what the definition of the word "start" is soon

Or the definition of the word "definition".

7th January 2021, 02:35 AM	#81
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7th January 2021, 02:47 AM	#83
Mumbles Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,405	Originally Posted by dudalb But his greatest accomplishment: He totally demolished James Buchanan in the contest for the Worst President. I was thinking about this one. Up until yesterday, I was thinking I still had to give it to Buchanan, but after this...Toupee Fiasco may have pulled it off.
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7th January 2021, 03:03 AM	#84
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 14,463	Originally Posted by dudalb But his greatest accomplishment: He totally demolished James Buchanan in the contest for the Worst President. Yeah, and the Van Buren family is also grateful for his service.
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7th January 2021, 11:13 AM	#85
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,327	Originally Posted by The Don And yet, among Republicans, he's the best President ever, both in a direct poll and in terms of his approval numbers. President Trump is exactly the President that 74 million Americans recently voted for Ever get bored with the Cassandra routine?
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7th January 2021, 11:15 AM	#86
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,327	Originally Posted by timhau Yeah, and the Van Buren family is also grateful for his service. The Hardings and Nixon is also gratful.
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7th January 2021, 02:37 AM	#82
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,336	Originally Posted by dudalb But his greatest accomplishment: He totally demolished James Buchanan in the contest for the Worst President. And yet, among Republicans, he's the best President ever, both in a direct poll and in terms of his approval numbers. President Trump is exactly the President that 74 million Americans recently voted for

7th January 2021, 11:35 AM	#87
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,336	Originally Posted by dudalb Ever get bored with the Cassandra routine? Did I state anything factually incorrect ?

7th January 2021, 11:41 AM	#88
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7th January 2021, 12:28 PM	#89
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,779	Inciting an insurrection that resulted in the storming of the Capitol for the first time in 206 years.... does that count as an "achievement"?
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7th January 2021, 01:38 PM	#90
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,576	Originally Posted by smartcooky Inciting an insurrection that resulted in the storming of the Capitol for the first time in 206 years.... does that count as an "achievement"? If Steam's achievements taught me anything... yes, absolutely.
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20th January 2021, 03:02 AM	#91
Collin237 Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 427	Originally Posted by ahhell No new wars is a big accomplishment for a US president. The Kurds were being terrorized by Syria. Now they're being terrorized by Syria and Turkey. Does that count as a new war?

20th January 2021, 03:21 AM	#92
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,336	Originally Posted by Collin237 The Kurds were being terrorized by Syria. Now they're being terrorized by Syria and Turkey. Does that count as a new war? No, it only counts as a war if the US is actively involved.

20th January 2021, 04:19 AM	#93
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,642	I did hear from multiple Trump Defenders how his anti-lobbying EO proved that he he was 'draining the Swamp'. Haven't gotten any reply about the fact that Trump rescinded that order just before leaving.
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20th January 2021, 04:27 AM	#94
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,336	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza I did hear from multiple Trump Defenders how his anti-lobbying EO proved that he he was 'draining the Swamp'. Haven't gotten any reply about the fact that Trump rescinded that order just before leaving. Ah well it's like this...... He drained the swamp therefore anyone associated with his administration is, by definition, free of the taint of swamp. As a consequence they should be free to immediately go into lucrative lobbying positions. It's only people from prior (and one presumes, subsequent) administrations who should have to wait before waddling up to the trough. Sound about right ?

20th January 2021, 10:50 AM	#95
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,106	Quote: No new wars is a big accomplishment for a US president. Not sure if that was a serious comment or not. But assuming it was... In my opinion, "No new wars" is not necessarily an accomplishment. The world is a complex place, with constantly changing political situations... New politicians and other notable figures rise and fall, social situations get altered, etc. While starting a preemptive war for no reason would be considered a negative, not all military conflicts are the same. Most people would consider a military response to 9/11 to be justified, as the U.S. was attacked by foreign actors in Afghanistan, and it was unlikely that further attacks would have been prevented without an invasion. And Obama's involvement in the Libyan conflict was understandable: the U.S. did not initiate the conflict, and civilians were being targeted. Now, it is true that Trump did not involve the U.S. in any new wars (although probably not for lack of trying... his handling of Iran certainly amounted to pretty loud sabre rattling.) But that seemed to be more a case of dumb luck... the U.S. was not directly attacked in that time (neither was it attacked under Obama... so no gold star for Trup there), and there were no surprise global conflicts that would have required international attention.
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20th January 2021, 11:02 AM	#96
Chanakya Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 2,597	Just read this page, so possibly this may have been covered in one of the earlier pages. Trump's obvious, and very important, if unintended, contribution has been to show up, finger-in-eye, can-no-longer-be-ignored, those glaring inefficiencies and loopholes crying out to be set right. Any lesser a montstrosity than Trump, and they might not have stood out so. Any more or smarter than Trump, and they may have broken the nation for good. As it is, it was a great wake-up-call, to set these administrative issues right. Yes, political fissures too, obviously, but here I'm speaking of the administrative stuff, easily enough fixed (compared to the far more difficult political stuff). Like, 1. After the election, and up till the next administration takes over, drastically limit all executive powers. Barring emergencies, preferably do away with all overreaching powers of the lame-duck, caretaker President. 2. Bring down the huge gap between vote and the next administration taking over. 3. Remove the Pardon thing. Or at least, require all pardons to necessarily be backed by a two-thirds mahority. (Either no pardons, or there's a vote in the House, once a year, for all pardon candidates, and the Prez can pardon only those that get the two-thirds majority support. Or something along those lines.) Those three, off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others. Fires to put out there always will be, but the Biden administration should not let go the opportunity created by Trump's sheer grotesquery to push through some of these long-needed reforms. The horror that was Trump will then have served a useful purpose, if this is done.
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20th January 2021, 11:36 AM	#97
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20th January 2021, 11:38 AM	#98
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 48,313	Originally Posted by Crossbow Since that POS Trump is finally out of the White House, now I no longer have to worry every day about him starting a war Did you worry about Obama starting wars? Because he actually did, and Trump didn't.
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20th January 2021, 11:49 AM	#99
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,106	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Did you worry about Obama starting wars? Because he actually did, and Trump didn't. Actually, no he (Obama) didn't. He got the U.S. involved in Libya, but Obama didn't start that war... it was already a conflict before Obama joined in the bombing campaign. And there was that 'war' with ISIS, but that was in response to attacks initiated by the terrorist organizations.
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20th January 2021, 12:06 PM	#101
wareyin Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 8,313	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Actually, no he didn't. He got the U.S. involved in Libya, but Obama didn't start that war... it was already a conflict before Obama joined in the bombing campaign. And there was that 'war' with ISIS, but that was in response to attacks initiated by the terrorist organizations. Look, you gotta give Trumpers a pass. We can't expect them to understand complex concepts like "start" or "war".

20th January 2021, 01:33 PM	#103
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,395	Also, to be fair, there's different lists of the traits of facsism, and they have a tendency to vary a great deal in detail. Beau picked one that fit Trump like a glove.
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20th January 2021, 03:12 PM	#104
zooterkin Nitpicking dilettante Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berkshire, mostly Posts: 48,395	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Did you worry about Obama starting wars? Because he actually did, and Trump didn't. If Obama had started a war, it would have been for good reasons, after other options had been exhausted, and after proper consideration for the consequences, and not as a result of insults thrown around on Twitter.
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20th January 2021, 03:16 PM	#105
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 48,313	Originally Posted by zooterkin If Obama had started a war, What do you mean, "if"? Quote: it would have been for good reasons, after other options had been exhausted, and after proper consideration for the consequences, and not as a result of insults thrown around on Twitter. You are describing your fears about Trump, not the reality of him.
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20th January 2021, 03:17 PM	#106
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,395	Also, Obama didn't in fact start any wars.
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20th January 2021, 03:19 PM	#107
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,395	For fairness' sake, I wasn't really worried about Trump starting a war abroad. I was, however, very concerned about him overthrowing democracy at home. I can't remember ever worrying about that with a previous POTUS, not even Bush Jr.
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20th January 2021, 03:33 PM	#109
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,119	have we established which war did obama start?
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20th January 2021, 03:40 PM	#110
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 48,313	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper For fairness' sake, I wasn't really worried about Trump starting a war abroad. I was, however, very concerned about him overthrowing democracy at home. I can't remember ever worrying about that with a previous POTUS, not even Bush Jr. People here seem to think that being worried about something is evidence in and of itself that they should have been worried. It's quite strange.
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20th January 2021, 03:41 PM	#111
Shalamar Dark Lord of the JREF Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Somewhere Else Posts: 4,936	Originally Posted by dirtywick have we established which war did obama start? All of them, the narcissist that he is.
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20th January 2021, 03:43 PM	#112
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,831	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Did you worry about Obama starting wars? Because he actually did, and Trump didn't. Mmmmm........no. And Obama didn't let four hundred thousand USAians be killed by a disease because of his stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice.
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20th January 2021, 04:31 PM	#113
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,017	Originally Posted by catsmate And Obama didn't let four hundred thousand USAians be killed by a disease because of his stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice. No, that was Biden. Biden killed all of them. There's proof. Sooper Seekrit Proof (TM).
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20th January 2021, 04:45 PM	#114
wareyin Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 8,313	Originally Posted by Ziggurat People here seem to think that being worried about something is evidence in and of itself that they should have been worried. It's quite strange. Nah, what's strange is when people make claims that are demonstrably at odds with reality, famously refuse to support those claims, then expect to be taken seriously the next time they make laughably wrong claims.

20th January 2021, 05:41 PM	#115
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,002	Originally Posted by wareyin Nah, what's strange is when people make claims that are demonstrably at odds with reality, famously refuse to support those claims, then expect to be taken seriously the next time they make laughably wrong claims. You mean like claim a dictionary's definition of a word is wrong because it doesn't agree with their definition?

21st January 2021, 12:31 AM	#116
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 32,362	Originally Posted by Ziggurat People here seem to think that being worried about something is evidence in and of itself that they should have been worried. It's quite strange. Good point. For example, some people think that, just because a lot of people have been convinced by a lengthy disinformation campaign to be worried about voter fraud, the voting system must therefore be worryingly prone to voter fraud. As you say, quite strange. Dave
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21st January 2021, 01:16 AM	#117
Delvo Дэлво Δελϝο דֶלְבֹֿ देल्वो Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Tonawanda, NY Posts: 9,291	A simple rule I go by (which didn't need to be stated until Trump and his excusers came along) eliminates a bunch of the suggested examples of Trump's achievements: If you're in a job that enables you to just give orders and have people follow them, giving orders is not an achievement.

21st January 2021, 01:35 AM	#118
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,119	Originally Posted by Stacyhs You mean like claim a dictionary's definition of a word is wrong because it doesn't agree with their definition? i have a feeling there's going to be some argument about what the definition of the word "start" is soon
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,119