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Old 7th January 2021, 02:35 AM   #81
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Trump's legacy shows the diversity of America. Thanks to his unprecedented leadership, in just a few weeks, the US will have:

- a catholic President (only the second one)
- a female, Black, Indian, baptist Vice-President
- a female, catholic Speaker of the House
- a jewish Senate Majority Leader
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Old 7th January 2021, 02:37 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
But his greatest accomplishment:

He totally demolished James Buchanan in the contest for the Worst President.
And yet, among Republicans, he's the best President ever, both in a direct poll and in terms of his approval numbers.

President Trump is exactly the President that 74 million Americans recently voted for
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Old 7th January 2021, 02:47 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
But his greatest accomplishment:

He totally demolished James Buchanan in the contest for the Worst President.
I was thinking about this one. Up until yesterday, I was thinking I still had to give it to Buchanan, but after this...Toupee Fiasco may have pulled it off.
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Old 7th January 2021, 03:03 AM   #84
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
But his greatest accomplishment:

He totally demolished James Buchanan in the contest for the Worst President.
Yeah, and the Van Buren family is also grateful for his service.
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Old 7th January 2021, 11:13 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
And yet, among Republicans, he's the best President ever, both in a direct poll and in terms of his approval numbers.

President Trump is exactly the President that 74 million Americans recently voted for
Ever get bored with the Cassandra routine?
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Old 7th January 2021, 11:15 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by timhau View Post
Yeah, and the Van Buren family is also grateful for his service.

The Hardings and Nixon is also gratful.
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Old 7th January 2021, 11:35 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Ever get bored with the Cassandra routine?
Did I state anything factually incorrect ?
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Old 7th January 2021, 11:41 AM   #88
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Ever get bored with the Cassandra routine?
Being correct but ignored is a flaw now?
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Inciting an insurrection that resulted in the storming of the Capitol for the first time in 206 years.... does that count as an "achievement"?
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Old 7th January 2021, 01:38 PM   #90
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Inciting an insurrection that resulted in the storming of the Capitol for the first time in 206 years.... does that count as an "achievement"?
If Steam's achievements taught me anything... yes, absolutely.
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Old 20th January 2021, 03:02 AM   #91
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No new wars is a big accomplishment for a US president.
The Kurds were being terrorized by Syria. Now they're being terrorized by Syria and Turkey. Does that count as a new war?
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Old 20th January 2021, 03:21 AM   #92
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Originally Posted by Collin237 View Post
The Kurds were being terrorized by Syria. Now they're being terrorized by Syria and Turkey. Does that count as a new war?
No, it only counts as a war if the US is actively involved.
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Old 20th January 2021, 04:19 AM   #93
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I did hear from multiple Trump Defenders how his anti-lobbying EO proved that he he was 'draining the Swamp'.

Haven't gotten any reply about the fact that Trump rescinded that order just before leaving.
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Old 20th January 2021, 04:27 AM   #94
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I did hear from multiple Trump Defenders how his anti-lobbying EO proved that he he was 'draining the Swamp'.

Haven't gotten any reply about the fact that Trump rescinded that order just before leaving.
Ah well it's like this......

He drained the swamp therefore anyone associated with his administration is, by definition, free of the taint of swamp. As a consequence they should be free to immediately go into lucrative lobbying positions.

It's only people from prior (and one presumes, subsequent) administrations who should have to wait before waddling up to the trough.

Sound about right ?
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Old 20th January 2021, 10:50 AM   #95
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No new wars is a big accomplishment for a US president.
Not sure if that was a serious comment or not. But assuming it was...

In my opinion, "No new wars" is not necessarily an accomplishment.

The world is a complex place, with constantly changing political situations... New politicians and other notable figures rise and fall, social situations get altered, etc. While starting a preemptive war for no reason would be considered a negative, not all military conflicts are the same.

Most people would consider a military response to 9/11 to be justified, as the U.S. was attacked by foreign actors in Afghanistan, and it was unlikely that further attacks would have been prevented without an invasion. And Obama's involvement in the Libyan conflict was understandable: the U.S. did not initiate the conflict, and civilians were being targeted.

Now, it is true that Trump did not involve the U.S. in any new wars (although probably not for lack of trying... his handling of Iran certainly amounted to pretty loud sabre rattling.) But that seemed to be more a case of dumb luck... the U.S. was not directly attacked in that time (neither was it attacked under Obama... so no gold star for Trup there), and there were no surprise global conflicts that would have required international attention.
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Just read this page, so possibly this may have been covered in one of the earlier pages.

Trump's obvious, and very important, if unintended, contribution has been to show up, finger-in-eye, can-no-longer-be-ignored, those glaring inefficiencies and loopholes crying out to be set right. Any lesser a montstrosity than Trump, and they might not have stood out so. Any more or smarter than Trump, and they may have broken the nation for good. As it is, it was a great wake-up-call, to set these administrative issues right.

Yes, political fissures too, obviously, but here I'm speaking of the administrative stuff, easily enough fixed (compared to the far more difficult political stuff).

Like, 1. After the election, and up till the next administration takes over, drastically limit all executive powers. Barring emergencies, preferably do away with all overreaching powers of the lame-duck, caretaker President.

2. Bring down the huge gap between vote and the next administration taking over.

3. Remove the Pardon thing. Or at least, require all pardons to necessarily be backed by a two-thirds mahority. (Either no pardons, or there's a vote in the House, once a year, for all pardon candidates, and the Prez can pardon only those that get the two-thirds majority support. Or something along those lines.)


Those three, off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others. Fires to put out there always will be, but the Biden administration should not let go the opportunity created by Trump's sheer grotesquery to push through some of these long-needed reforms. The horror that was Trump will then have served a useful purpose, if this is done.
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Old 20th January 2021, 11:36 AM   #97
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Since that POS Trump is finally out of the White House, now I no longer have to worry every day about him starting a war, starting a fight with the news media, starting a fight with Democrats, or starting a fight with someone/anyone else.

That is about the only half-way positive thing that Trump has done. Is to leave the White House when he was supposed to leave.
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Since that POS Trump is finally out of the White House, now I no longer have to worry every day about him starting a war
Did you worry about Obama starting wars?

Because he actually did, and Trump didn't.
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Did you worry about Obama starting wars?

Because he actually did, and Trump didn't.
Actually, no he (Obama) didn't.

He got the U.S. involved in Libya, but Obama didn't start that war... it was already a conflict before Obama joined in the bombing campaign. And there was that 'war' with ISIS, but that was in response to attacks initiated by the terrorist organizations.
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I'd forgotten about this thread. What a perfect place to drop this video. Take it away, Beau.

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Yeah. I'll be sharing this one. Trumpkins need to see it.
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Actually, no he didn't.

He got the U.S. involved in Libya, but Obama didn't start that war... it was already a conflict before Obama joined in the bombing campaign. And there was that 'war' with ISIS, but that was in response to attacks initiated by the terrorist organizations.
Look, you gotta give Trumpers a pass. We can't expect them to understand complex concepts like "start" or "war".
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I'd forgotten about this thread. What a perfect place to drop this video. Take it away, Beau.

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Yeah. I'll be sharing this one. Trumpkins need to see it.
Not necessarily a bad (or inaccurate) video... but he should have provided an emphasis right in the video where he got the list of 'fascist points/signs' from.
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Also, to be fair, there's different lists of the traits of facsism, and they have a tendency to vary a great deal in detail. Beau picked one that fit Trump like a glove.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Did you worry about Obama starting wars?

Because he actually did, and Trump didn't.
If Obama had started a war, it would have been for good reasons, after other options had been exhausted, and after proper consideration for the consequences, and not as a result of insults thrown around on Twitter.
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If Obama had started a war,
What do you mean, "if"?

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it would have been for good reasons, after other options had been exhausted, and after proper consideration for the consequences, and not as a result of insults thrown around on Twitter.
You are describing your fears about Trump, not the reality of him.
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Also, Obama didn't in fact start any wars.
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For fairness' sake, I wasn't really worried about Trump starting a war abroad.

I was, however, very concerned about him overthrowing democracy at home. I can't remember ever worrying about that with a previous POTUS, not even Bush Jr.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Did you worry about Obama starting wars?

Because he actually did, and Trump didn't.
He sure gosh-darn tried on 6 Jan.

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have we established which war did obama start?
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For fairness' sake, I wasn't really worried about Trump starting a war abroad.

I was, however, very concerned about him overthrowing democracy at home. I can't remember ever worrying about that with a previous POTUS, not even Bush Jr.
People here seem to think that being worried about something is evidence in and of itself that they should have been worried. It's quite strange.
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have we established which war did obama start?
All of them, the narcissist that he is.
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Did you worry about Obama starting wars?

Because he actually did, and Trump didn't.

Mmmmm........no.

And Obama didn't let four hundred thousand USAians be killed by a disease because of his stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice.
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And Obama didn't let four hundred thousand USAians be killed by a disease because of his stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice.
No, that was Biden. Biden killed all of them. There's proof. Sooper Seekrit Proof (TM).
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People here seem to think that being worried about something is evidence in and of itself that they should have been worried. It's quite strange.
Nah, what's strange is when people make claims that are demonstrably at odds with reality, famously refuse to support those claims, then expect to be taken seriously the next time they make laughably wrong claims.
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Nah, what's strange is when people make claims that are demonstrably at odds with reality, famously refuse to support those claims, then expect to be taken seriously the next time they make laughably wrong claims.
You mean like claim a dictionary's definition of a word is wrong because it doesn't agree with their definition?
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People here seem to think that being worried about something is evidence in and of itself that they should have been worried. It's quite strange.
Good point. For example, some people think that, just because a lot of people have been convinced by a lengthy disinformation campaign to be worried about voter fraud, the voting system must therefore be worryingly prone to voter fraud. As you say, quite strange.

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Old 21st January 2021, 01:16 AM   #117
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A simple rule I go by (which didn't need to be stated until Trump and his excusers came along) eliminates a bunch of the suggested examples of Trump's achievements: If you're in a job that enables you to just give orders and have people follow them, giving orders is not an achievement.
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Old 21st January 2021, 01:35 AM   #118
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
You mean like claim a dictionary's definition of a word is wrong because it doesn't agree with their definition?
i have a feeling there's going to be some argument about what the definition of the word "start" is soon
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Old 21st January 2021, 01:37 AM   #119
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He's almost certainly ended discussion on the matter of "Who was America's worst President?"
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Old 21st January 2021, 02:14 AM   #120
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Originally Posted by dirtywick View Post
i have a feeling there's going to be some argument about what the definition of the word "start" is soon
Or the definition of the word "definition".
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