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Vixen · 17th January 2021, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

Aren't all conversations G has had with T covered by client-lawyer privilege?

Ah. ninja-ed.

Vixen · 17th January 2021, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by zorro99

Rudy shoulda demanded payment in advance.

Maybe it was no-win-no-fee.

angrysoba · 17th January 2021, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

Maybe it was no-win-no-fee.

And he was promised so much winning!

BillC · 17th January 2021, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

Aren't all conversations G has had with T covered by client-lawyer privilege?

Not all, no. Consider what the situation is if, for example, a lawyer and client conspire together to commit a crime. (Just sayin')

EDIR: Ninjaed multiple times.

Cavemonster · 17th January 2021, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

Can't. Client confidentiality remains legally privileged.

There is generally a crime-fraud exception.

Any admissions of past crimes would be protected. But any communications about planned or in-progress crimes would not be.

DevilsAdvocate · 17th January 2021, 03:36 PM

Or Giuliani could just say to hell with the law and lawyer-client privilege and write a tell -all book. Let Trump sue him. The only lawyer Trump will be able to find to represent him will be...Giuliani. The case of Rudy v Rudy. Finally a case he can win, one way or another. But he'd still botch it somehow.

Gord_in_Toronto · 18th January 2021, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

Or Giuliani could just say to hell with the law and lawyer-client privilege and write a tell -all book. Let Trump sue him. The only lawyer Trump will be able to find to represent him will be...Giuliani. The case of Rudy v Rudy. Finally a case he can win, one way or another. But he'd still botch it somehow.

One or both Rudys may have been disbarred by then and thus have no standing before the court. Thus pre-botching his case.

dmaker · 18th January 2021, 11:25 AM

It seems that Rudy will not be on the impeachment defense team:

https://nypost.com/2021/01/18/giulia...rce=NYPTwitter

The Great Zaganza · 18th January 2021, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by dmaker

It seems that Rudy will not be on the impeachment defense team:

https://nypost.com/2021/01/18/giulia...rce=NYPTwitter

this significantly reduces the risk of Trump getting the Death Penalty from the Senate Trial.

ponderingturtle · 18th January 2021, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Cavemonster

There is generally a crime-fraud exception.

Any admissions of past crimes would be protected. But any communications about planned or in-progress crimes would not be.

Yep see the relationship between Individual 1 and Michael Cohen. All kinds of crimes not covered by privilege that got Cohen serving time.

Vixen · 25th January 2021, 05:36 AM

Giuliani has been slapped with a libel suit from Dominion Voting machines. You would think a lawyer of Rudy's <ahem> renown would have seen this coming. Maybe he can get Mr. Trump to stump up?

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Dominion Voting Systems has filed a massive $1.3 billion defamation lawsuit against Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani for making false claims about the company supposedly stealing the 2020 election for President Joe Biden.

Whoops! There goes the kids' inheritances.

timhau · 25th January 2021, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

Giuliani has been slapped with a libel suit from Dominion Voting machines. You would think a lawyer of Rudy's <ahem> renown would have seen this coming. Maybe he can get Mr. Trump to stump up?

Whoops! There goes the kids' inheritances.

Fortunately for Rudy, he can save a fortune by acting as his own lawyer; he's got just the right kind of client for that.

Gord_in_Toronto · 25th January 2021, 10:56 AM

When in trouble, double down!

Quote:

Giuliani responded in a statement later on Monday.

"Dominion's defamation lawsuit for $1.3B will allow me to investigate their history, finances and practices fully and completely," the statement said. "The amount being asked for is, quite obviously, intended to frighten people of faint heart."

According to Giuliani, the lawsuit "is another act of intimidation by the hate-filled left-wing to wipe out and censor the exercise of free speech, as well as the ability of lawyers to defend clients vigorously."

https://www.rawstory.com/rudy-giulia...inion-lawsuit/

Cavemonster · 25th January 2021, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

When in trouble, double down!

https://www.rawstory.com/rudy-giulia...inion-lawsuit/

Surely this time the promise that he has them right where he wants them and victory is coming soon will pan out.

Norman Alexander · 25th January 2021, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

When in trouble, double down!

https://www.rawstory.com/rudy-giulia...inion-lawsuit/

As a completely irrelevant aside, where did he make this announcement? Outside a sporting goods store? Or a towel and sheet emporium? Perhaps a gymnasium? Because gardening supply stores are getting passe.

Asking because that is more interesting than Rudy.

Gord_in_Toronto · 25th January 2021, 11:26 AM

Here are the damning Rudy Giuliani admissions that will help Dominion take him to the cleaners

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Writing on Twitter, attorney Akiva Cohen flags a section from Dominion's lawsuit that he says will give the company real proof that Giuliani maliciously lied about them as part of an effort to justify charging hefty legal fees to the Trump campaign.

Specifically, Dominion noted that Giuliani only talked about Dominion during public appearances, but went completely silent about the company when actually arguing before courts in his efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

During a court hearing about the results of the 2020 election in Pennsylvania, for instance, Giuliani admitted that the Trump campaign "doesn't plead fraud" and said that "this is not a fraud case."

"Although he was unwilling to make false election fraud claims about Dominion and and its voting machines in a court of law because he knew those allegations are false, he and his allies manufactured and disseminated the 'Big Lie,' which foreseeably went viral and deceived millions of people into believing that Dominion had stolen their votes," the company wrote in its lawsuit.

https://www.rawstory.com/rudy-giuliani-2650128286/

He's so damn smart!!

Regnad Kcin · 25th January 2021, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Giuliani responded in a statement later on Monday.

"Dominion's defamation lawsuit for $1.3B will allow me to investigate their history, finances and practices fully and completely," the statement said. "The amount being asked for is, quite obviously, intended to frighten people of faint heart."

According to Giuliani, the lawsuit "is another act of intimidation by the hate-filled left-wing to wipe out and censor the exercise of free speech, as well as the ability of lawyers to defend clients vigorously."

And thoroughly and totally!

dasmiller · 25th January 2021, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

When in trouble, double down!

https://www.rawstory.com/rudy-giulia...inion-lawsuit/

Can't you just imagine the ~~horrified~~ puzzled looks on the faces of Dominos Pizza's lawyers when they get Rudy's subpoenas?

dudalb · 25th January 2021, 12:34 PM

Rumors are that Trump want to make a defense that the election was stolen, therefor ehe actions at the Capitol were somehow justified rather then that his speech on Jan 6th did not constitute incitement, which is the route any halfway sane lawyer would go.
Love to see him try the "Stroming of the Capitol was Justified" route.

Stacyhs · 25th January 2021, 12:54 PM

Quote:

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Giuliani responded in a statement later on Monday.

"Dominion's defamation lawsuit for $1.3B will allow me to investigate their history, finances and practices fully and completely," the statement said. "The amount being asked for is, quite obviously, intended to frighten people of faint heart."

According to Giuliani, the lawsuit "is another act of intimidation by the hate-filled left-wing to wipe out and censor the exercise of free speech, as well as the ability of lawyers to defend clients vigorously."

How dare that hate-filled left-wing Canadian company sue a true patriot American!

timhau · 25th January 2021, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Rumors are that Trump want to make a defense that the election was stolen, therefor ehe actions at the Capitol were somehow justified rather then that his speech on Jan 6th did not constitute incitement, which is the route any halfway sane lawyer would go.
Love to see him try the "Stroming of the Capitol was Justified" route.

Who are his lawyers in this case?

Bob001 · 26th January 2021, 07:55 AM

Giuliani is just another huckster:

Quote:

As he outlined how “pervasive voter fraud” had turned the United States into “Venezuela or China or the old Soviet Union,” Donald Trump’s personal attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, paused his video podcast to offer his audience an incredible deal.

For just $596, an online fraud-protection company that Giuliani called “the only folks to trust that I know of” was selling four years of online defense from home-stealing “cyber thieves.”

“Use code ‘Rudy’ — that’s me — and sign up for 30 free days of protection,” Giuliani said, before resuming a diatribe about an international communist vote-stealing plot — and, later, another advertisement, in which he hawked dietary supplements. The episode of his YouTube series, “Rudy Giuliani’s Common Sense,” has been viewed more than 500,000 times.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...encer-lawsuit/

Stacyhs · 27th January 2021, 06:28 PM

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and, later, another advertisement, in which he hawked dietary supplements.

Probably leftover expired stock from Trump's defunct vitamin grift:

Quote:

Call it “Vitamin T.” For several years in the late 2000s and early 2010s, Donald Trump encouraged people to take part in a pseudo-scientific vitamin scheme—all without expressing any concern about how it might potentially endanger people’s health.

Through a multi-level marketing project called The Trump Network, the business mogul encouraged people to take an expensive urine test, which would then be used to personally “tailor” a pricey monthly concoction of vitamins—something a Harvard doctor told The Daily Beast was a straight-up “scam.”

17th January 2021, 04:18 AM	#41
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 20,861	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto Aren't all conversations G has had with T covered by client-lawyer privilege? Ah. ninja-ed.
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17th January 2021, 04:19 AM	#42
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 20,861	Originally Posted by zorro99 Rudy shoulda demanded payment in advance. Maybe it was no-win-no-fee.
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17th January 2021, 05:17 AM	#43
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,394	Originally Posted by Vixen Maybe it was no-win-no-fee. And he was promised so much winning!
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17th January 2021, 05:42 AM	#44
BillC Bazooka Joe Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,587	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto Aren't all conversations G has had with T covered by client-lawyer privilege? Not all, no. Consider what the situation is if, for example, a lawyer and client conspire together to commit a crime. (Just sayin') EDIR: Ninjaed multiple times.
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17th January 2021, 07:36 AM	#45
Cavemonster Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 6,529	Originally Posted by Vixen Can't. Client confidentiality remains legally privileged. There is generally a crime-fraud exception. Any admissions of past crimes would be protected. But any communications about planned or in-progress crimes would not be.
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17th January 2021, 03:36 PM	#46
DevilsAdvocate Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,449	Or Giuliani could just say to hell with the law and lawyer-client privilege and write a tell -all book. Let Trump sue him. The only lawyer Trump will be able to find to represent him will be...Giuliani. The case of Rudy v Rudy. Finally a case he can win, one way or another. But he'd still botch it somehow.
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18th January 2021, 10:55 AM	#47
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,433	Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate Or Giuliani could just say to hell with the law and lawyer-client privilege and write a tell -all book. Let Trump sue him. The only lawyer Trump will be able to find to represent him will be...Giuliani. The case of Rudy v Rudy. Finally a case he can win, one way or another. But he'd still botch it somehow. One or both Rudys may have been disbarred by then and thus have no standing before the court. Thus pre-botching his case.
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18th January 2021, 11:25 AM	#48
dmaker Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,686	It seems that Rudy will not be on the impeachment defense team: https://nypost.com/2021/01/18/giulia...rce=NYPTwitter

18th January 2021, 11:44 AM	#49
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,678	Originally Posted by dmaker It seems that Rudy will not be on the impeachment defense team: https://nypost.com/2021/01/18/giulia...rce=NYPTwitter this significantly reduces the risk of Trump getting the Death Penalty from the Senate Trial.
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18th January 2021, 11:53 AM	#50
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,461	Originally Posted by Cavemonster There is generally a crime-fraud exception. Any admissions of past crimes would be protected. But any communications about planned or in-progress crimes would not be. Yep see the relationship between Individual 1 and Michael Cohen. All kinds of crimes not covered by privilege that got Cohen serving time.
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25th January 2021, 05:36 AM	#51
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 20,861	Giuliani has been slapped with a libel suit from Dominion Voting machines. You would think a lawyer of Rudy's <ahem> renown would have seen this coming. Maybe he can get Mr. Trump to stump up? Quote: Dominion Voting Systems has filed a massive $1.3 billion defamation lawsuit against Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani for making false claims about the company supposedly stealing the 2020 election for President Joe Biden. Whoops! There goes the kids' inheritances.
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25th January 2021, 05:51 AM	#52
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 14,474	Originally Posted by Vixen Giuliani has been slapped with a libel suit from Dominion Voting machines. You would think a lawyer of Rudy's <ahem> renown would have seen this coming. Maybe he can get Mr. Trump to stump up? Whoops! There goes the kids' inheritances. Fortunately for Rudy, he can save a fortune by acting as his own lawyer; he's got just the right kind of client for that.
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25th January 2021, 10:56 AM	#53
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,433	When in trouble, double down! Quote: Giuliani responded in a statement later on Monday. "Dominion's defamation lawsuit for $1.3B will allow me to investigate their history, finances and practices fully and completely," the statement said. "The amount being asked for is, quite obviously, intended to frighten people of faint heart." According to Giuliani, the lawsuit "is another act of intimidation by the hate-filled left-wing to wipe out and censor the exercise of free speech, as well as the ability of lawyers to defend clients vigorously." https://www.rawstory.com/rudy-giulia...inion-lawsuit/
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25th January 2021, 11:09 AM	#54
Cavemonster Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 6,529	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto When in trouble, double down! https://www.rawstory.com/rudy-giulia...inion-lawsuit/ Surely this time the promise that he has them right where he wants them and victory is coming soon will pan out.
Cavemonster Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 6,529	__________________ The weakness of all Utopias is this, ... They first assume that no man will want more than his share, and then are very ingenious in explaining whether his share will be delivered by motorcar or balloon. -G.K. CHESTERTON

25th January 2021, 11:19 AM	#55
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,795	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto When in trouble, double down! https://www.rawstory.com/rudy-giulia...inion-lawsuit/ As a completely irrelevant aside, where did he make this announcement? Outside a sporting goods store? Or a towel and sheet emporium? Perhaps a gymnasium? Because gardening supply stores are getting passe. Asking because that is more interesting than Rudy.
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25th January 2021, 11:26 AM	#56
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,433	Here are the damning Rudy Giuliani admissions that will help Dominion take him to the cleaners Quote: Writing on Twitter, attorney Akiva Cohen flags a section from Dominion's lawsuit that he says will give the company real proof that Giuliani maliciously lied about them as part of an effort to justify charging hefty legal fees to the Trump campaign. Specifically, Dominion noted that Giuliani only talked about Dominion during public appearances, but went completely silent about the company when actually arguing before courts in his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. During a court hearing about the results of the 2020 election in Pennsylvania, for instance, Giuliani admitted that the Trump campaign "doesn't plead fraud" and said that "this is not a fraud case." "Although he was unwilling to make false election fraud claims about Dominion and and its voting machines in a court of law because he knew those allegations are false, he and his allies manufactured and disseminated the 'Big Lie,' which foreseeably went viral and deceived millions of people into believing that Dominion had stolen their votes," the company wrote in its lawsuit. https://www.rawstory.com/rudy-giuliani-2650128286/ He's so damn smart!!
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25th January 2021, 11:52 AM	#57
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,240	Quote: Giuliani responded in a statement later on Monday. "Dominion's defamation lawsuit for $1.3B will allow me to investigate their history, finances and practices fully and completely," the statement said. "The amount being asked for is, quite obviously, intended to frighten people of faint heart." According to Giuliani, the lawsuit "is another act of intimidation by the hate-filled left-wing to wipe out and censor the exercise of free speech, as well as the ability of lawyers to defend clients vigorously." And thoroughly and totally!
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25th January 2021, 11:57 AM	#58
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 6,379	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto When in trouble, double down! https://www.rawstory.com/rudy-giulia...inion-lawsuit/ Can't you just imagine the ~~horrified~~ puzzled looks on the faces of Dominos Pizza's lawyers when they get Rudy's subpoenas?
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25th January 2021, 12:34 PM	#59
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,334	Rumors are that Trump want to make a defense that the election was stolen, therefor ehe actions at the Capitol were somehow justified rather then that his speech on Jan 6th did not constitute incitement, which is the route any halfway sane lawyer would go. Love to see him try the "Stroming of the Capitol was Justified" route.
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25th January 2021, 12:54 PM	#60
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,013	Quote: Quote: Giuliani responded in a statement later on Monday. "Dominion's defamation lawsuit for $1.3B will allow me to investigate their history, finances and practices fully and completely," the statement said. "The amount being asked for is, quite obviously, intended to frighten people of faint heart." According to Giuliani, the lawsuit "is another act of intimidation by the hate-filled left-wing to wipe out and censor the exercise of free speech, as well as the ability of lawyers to defend clients vigorously." How dare that hate-filled left-wing Canadian company sue a true patriot American!

25th January 2021, 01:38 PM	#61
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 14,474	Originally Posted by dudalb Rumors are that Trump want to make a defense that the election was stolen, therefor ehe actions at the Capitol were somehow justified rather then that his speech on Jan 6th did not constitute incitement, which is the route any halfway sane lawyer would go. Love to see him try the "Stroming of the Capitol was Justified" route. Who are his lawyers in this case?
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26th January 2021, 07:55 AM	#62
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,637	Giuliani is just another huckster: Quote: As he outlined how “pervasive voter fraud” had turned the United States into “Venezuela or China or the old Soviet Union,” Donald Trump’s personal attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, paused his video podcast to offer his audience an incredible deal. For just $596, an online fraud-protection company that Giuliani called “the only folks to trust that I know of” was selling four years of online defense from home-stealing “cyber thieves.” “Use code ‘Rudy’ — that’s me — and sign up for 30 free days of protection,” Giuliani said, before resuming a diatribe about an international communist vote-stealing plot — and, later, another advertisement, in which he hawked dietary supplements. The episode of his YouTube series, “Rudy Giuliani’s Common Sense,” has been viewed more than 500,000 times. https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...encer-lawsuit/

27th January 2021, 06:28 PM	#63
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,013	Quote: and, later, another advertisement, in which he hawked dietary supplements. Probably leftover expired stock from Trump's defunct vitamin grift: Quote: Call it “Vitamin T.” For several years in the late 2000s and early 2010s, Donald Trump encouraged people to take part in a pseudo-scientific vitamin scheme—all without expressing any concern about how it might potentially endanger people’s health. Through a multi-level marketing project called The Trump Network, the business mogul encouraged people to take an expensive urine test, which would then be used to personally “tailor” a pricey monthly concoction of vitamins—something a Harvard doctor told The Daily Beast was a straight-up “scam.”